22"-24" LCD Monitor Suggestions...

swimtech · Oct 24, 2007, 06:10 AM

Hmmm,
Wasn't able to get back 'til now, but from what I've read in the sales lit for the 245BW, it doesn't have any of the extra analog video type inputs you were looking for, but this one

Gateway Computers: Store - Gateway - FPD2485W 24" Widescreen High-Definition LCD Flat-Panel Display

does - and it does Picture in Picture. It's price comparable (499.00) here is the US, and it specifies a wider viewing angle. By that wiki in BlueMak's post it is a PVA - a steal for the price. Can you get the Gateways at a decent price in Canada? I believe the value of the dollar US/Can is now about 1 to 1, which makes US stuff a good value unless there are taxes...

I think the Samsung is going to be a good monitor, they're very conscious of their reputation, but the Gateway unit looks to meet your needs/wants better.

BTW, I also use the viewing angle to try to help discern what type panel the manufacturer uses. The 160/170 look to be the standard TN types, the wider ones (176-178) either IPS or PVA - but that's still just a guess really. The manufacturers really ought to say themselves...

ChaosMinionX · Oct 24, 2007, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swimtech

Hmmm,
Wasn't able to get back 'til now, but from what I've read in the sales lit for the 245BW, it doesn't have any of the extra analog video type inputs you were looking for, but this one

Gateway Computers: Store - Gateway - FPD2485W 24" Widescreen High-Definition LCD Flat-Panel Display

does - and it does Picture in Picture. It's price comparable (499.00) here is the US, and it specifies a wider viewing angle. By that wiki in BlueMak's post it is a PVA - a steal for the price. Can you get the Gateways at a decent price in Canada? I believe the value of the dollar US/Can is now about 1 to 1, which makes US stuff a good value unless there are taxes...

I think the Samsung is going to be a good monitor, they're very conscious of their reputation, but the Gateway unit looks to meet your needs/wants better.

BTW, I also use the viewing angle to try to help discern what type panel the manufacturer uses. The 160/170 look to be the standard TN types, the wider ones (176-178) either IPS or PVA - but that's still just a guess really. The manufacturers really ought to say themselves...

Guess

Post what panels your looking at and I would be glad to look up , or just tell you what panel they have

Zelig · Oct 24, 2007, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaosMinionX

I dont know of any 8bit TN panels in circulation... A good way to tell if its a TN panel if its 2-4ms.... 6-8ms is usually a VA panel, and IPS is usually in the realm of 8-16ms not 100% accurate, but its usually a good way to tell what your working with.

Maybe you're right, I'm seeing conflicting evidence on google, so I've got no real idea now.

swimtech: I don't see the FPD2485W for sale anywhere in Canada.

Judas · Oct 24, 2007, 07:05 PM

gateway isn't an option.... i can't even seem to order from gateway directly anymore....

If there is any 8bit tn models cirulating.... i'd put my bets on samsung to be one of the first to spit one out...

BlueMak · Oct 24, 2007, 07:39 PM

why do you want a TN panel?

Judas · Oct 24, 2007, 07:45 PM

lol.. i don't want a TN panel if i had the choice..

but i don't...

there is currently no other model of 24" available here that is of good quality that is still cheap enough to get. Even the samsung was at a significantly high price.

Judas · Oct 30, 2007, 08:14 PM

well, the Samsung 245B (i was told it was a BW, but it's B from what i can tell) is actually quite an amazingly good looking and performing monitor...

Just to compare it to the dell 3007WFP i've got...

The colors ARN'T quite as vibrant (but they are damn good imo)
The responce time is very obvious however

Aside from that, there is zero color banding of any kind in all the tests i did that would be considered bad in any form...

it's definitely 8bit.... full color... very VERY clean color.

Sharp as hell

Played a HD-DVD back on it and in fast action didn't see any tearing of any kind... smooth as silk.. no ghosting...

no dead pixels..

My sister is pretty damn pleased with it, and she's now just getting the grasp on vista x64 for the first time (upgraded her to a dual core (x2 4400+) with 2gb of ram and a HD2600xt along with a seagate barracuda 7200.10 320gb, which is pretty big jump from a single core 3000+ with 1gb of value ram, windows xp 32bit, x700pro, 80gb ide maxtor drive.)

swimtech · Oct 30, 2007, 09:35 PM

Glad to hear you, and especially your sister, like the big new Samsung. You've gotten her a very nice system overall!

PangingJr · Oct 30, 2007, 09:40 PM

BW = Black color and Widescreen, may be.

Judas · Oct 30, 2007, 11:00 PM

B and BW, far as i know, both are widescreen.....

I can't seem to find the differences between the 2 other then one has the lable of HIGH GLOSSY....

Zelig · Oct 30, 2007, 11:08 PM

Might be the only difference, they use the same panel.

dipstick · Nov 1, 2007, 10:12 PM

I just returned a dell 2407FPW-HC and picked up that samsung 245bw. While the colors are not as good as on the dell I saved myself $250 and the headache from the disaster that dell has released upon the world. The ghosting on the dell is something I never-ever expected on an lcd built in the end 2007. Even my old 2405fpw was better than that crap. The samsung is amazing for the price though($475), you really cant go wrong with it.

Judas · Nov 2, 2007, 12:12 AM

hows the responce time for you... isn't it DAMN sharp reguardless of what's happening on the screen....

dipstick · Nov 2, 2007, 03:02 AM

Yeah it's great; not a hint of ghosting or banding ever. Truly a great lcd for the money

Judas · Nov 2, 2007, 04:16 AM

see i figured i had done my research on the monitor...

my sister is currently as we speak.. a little graphic work on it right now.. and so far.. is still loven it.

dipstick · Nov 2, 2007, 04:59 AM

Your sister is very lucky to have a bro like you. The monitor kicks butt so I'm sure she is very happy with it and will be for quite some time.
I was so pissed with the Dell that I was actually going to spend even more on the NEC 2470WNX but after I read your post the other day I decided to give the samsung a shot and maybe save a bundle. I'm really glad I read that now and if anything I'm very thankful to you also

Judas · Nov 2, 2007, 06:38 AM

nice....

and here i thought i had done something bad.. by getting a TN screen.

dipstick · Nov 2, 2007, 06:36 PM

Nah, I see nothing wrong with TN panels other than their viewing angles. This one can probably be considered "bad" at that but its not a problem for me since I only use it as a PC monitor and I'm always directly right in front of it.

Judas · Nov 2, 2007, 10:37 PM

actually @ 160*, i still can see it quite clearly...... i don't know many people that sit straight 178* anyways, wtf ist he point in that...

dipstick · Nov 3, 2007, 06:57 PM

true true but compared to other types of lcd panels the color loss is more noticeable at even lesser angles.

Judas · Nov 4, 2007, 06:43 PM

It seems to be that it looks good up to around the 130* point that things start to degrade ... @ 160*C it's still visable but is ovbiously the worse... but anyone sitting on either side of the person sitting directly in front isn't affected.... obviously not for a presentation monitor... but damn good for a home TV/Monitor/combo. Which my sister uses, for a TV/DVD player/internet videos and whatnot.

CJLMTLCA · Nov 9, 2007, 01:29 AM

Zelig, do you have the ghosting that dipstick (and some others) are reporting?

What revision do you guys have?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zelig

I've got a 2407WFP-HC sitting here if you want to know anything about it, no HDMI port, though it does support HDCP, and has VGA, DVI-D, S-Video, composite, and component inputs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dipstick

I just returned a dell 2407FPW-HC and picked up that samsung 245bw. While the colors are not as good as on the dell I saved myself $250 and the headache from the disaster that dell has released upon the world. The ghosting on the dell is something I never-ever expected on an lcd built in the end 2007.

**kris23** · Nov 9, 2007, 01:38 AM

while im here, what should i look for in a 1920x1200 24-28in monitor for color accuracy, brightness and so on?

which panel type and such?

BlueMak · Nov 9, 2007, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kris23

while im here, what should i look for in a 1920x1200 24-28in monitor for color accuracy, brightness and so on?

which panel type and such?

P-MVA, S-IPS.

Avoid TN.

**kris23** · Nov 9, 2007, 03:59 AM

ok, in terms of P-MVA and S-IPS which is better and/or what is each geared towards (accuracy brightness, response time etc)

BlueMak · Nov 9, 2007, 04:36 AM

S-IPS is the superiour panel in everything other than response times. Oh and it is far more expensive.

**kris23** · Nov 9, 2007, 04:45 AM

lol and P-MVA is the better at response times?

**kris23** · Nov 9, 2007, 04:50 AM

how about monitors based of of S-PVA panels? many of the non TN panels at 24" are S-PVA

Zelig · Nov 9, 2007, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJLMTLCA

Zelig, do you have the ghosting that dipstick (and some others) are reporting?

What revision do you guys have?

A00 (manufactured August 2007 in Mexico, FWIW), there aren't any other revisions yet, AFAIK.

I don't have the awful RTC issue "ghosting" that some people are reporting. I can see some issues with the image if I look for it, but I can do that on any monitor (including my CRT), so I'm generally happy with this display.

Running image tests, I get slight banding in gradients.

Although I don't have any good calibration equipment, if you're interested, I can go find a camera and take comparison pics of the Dell and my 19.8" Trinitron sitting beside it.

edit: This review has some good technical information and pictures showing ghosting relative to other LCDs.

**kris23** · Nov 9, 2007, 05:46 AM

hey, can someone point me to an affordable ($600 range) S-IPS based 24" monitor preferably in black? closest thing i see is the 1200 Dell 30 inch and that aint affordable....

Oct 24, 2007, 06:10 AM	#31
swimtech HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,040 Rep Power: 122 System Specs	Hmmm, Wasn't able to get back 'til now, but from what I've read in the sales lit for the 245BW, it doesn't have any of the extra analog video type inputs you were looking for, but this one Gateway Computers: Store - Gateway - FPD2485W 24" Widescreen High-Definition LCD Flat-Panel Display does - and it does Picture in Picture. It's price comparable (499.00) here is the US, and it specifies a wider viewing angle. By that wiki in BlueMak's post it is a PVA - a steal for the price. Can you get the Gateways at a decent price in Canada? I believe the value of the dollar US/Can is now about 1 to 1, which makes US stuff a good value unless there are taxes... I think the Samsung is going to be a good monitor, they're very conscious of their reputation, but the Gateway unit looks to meet your needs/wants better. BTW, I also use the viewing angle to try to help discern what type panel the manufacturer uses. The 160/170 look to be the standard TN types, the wider ones (176-178) either IPS or PVA - but that's still just a guess really. The manufacturers really ought to say themselves... __________________ It's not so much getting your way that matters or not - what matters is how you go about getting it.

Oct 24, 2007, 07:39 PM	#35
BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,248 Rep Power: 328 System Specs	why do you want a TN panel? __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Oct 30, 2007, 09:35 PM	#38
swimtech HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,040 Rep Power: 122 System Specs	Glad to hear you, and especially your sister, like the big new Samsung. You've gotten her a very nice system overall! __________________ It's not so much getting your way that matters or not - what matters is how you go about getting it.

Oct 30, 2007, 11:08 PM	#41
Zelig HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,187 Rep Power: 69 System Specs	Might be the only difference, they use the same panel. __________________ --

Nov 9, 2007, 01:38 AM	#53
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	while im here, what should i look for in a 1920x1200 24-28in monitor for color accuracy, brightness and so on? which panel type and such? __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Oct 30, 2007, 09:40 PM	#39
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 69	BW = Black color and Widescreen, may be.

Nov 1, 2007, 10:12 PM	#42
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 70 System Specs	I just returned a dell 2407FPW-HC and picked up that samsung 245bw. While the colors are not as good as on the dell I saved myself $250 and the headache from the disaster that dell has released upon the world. The ghosting on the dell is something I never-ever expected on an lcd built in the end 2007. Even my old 2405fpw was better than that crap. The samsung is amazing for the price though($475), you really cant go wrong with it.

Nov 2, 2007, 03:02 AM	#44
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 70 System Specs	Yeah it's great; not a hint of ghosting or banding ever. Truly a great lcd for the money

Nov 2, 2007, 04:59 AM	#46
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 70 System Specs	Your sister is very lucky to have a bro like you. The monitor kicks butt so I'm sure she is very happy with it and will be for quite some time. I was so pissed with the Dell that I was actually going to spend even more on the NEC 2470WNX but after I read your post the other day I decided to give the samsung a shot and maybe save a bundle. I'm really glad I read that now and if anything I'm very thankful to you also

Nov 2, 2007, 06:36 PM	#48
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 70 System Specs	Nah, I see nothing wrong with TN panels other than their viewing angles. This one can probably be considered "bad" at that but its not a problem for me since I only use it as a PC monitor and I'm always directly right in front of it.

Nov 3, 2007, 06:57 PM	#50
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 70 System Specs	true true but compared to other types of lcd panels the color loss is more noticeable at even lesser angles.

Nov 9, 2007, 03:59 AM	#55
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	ok, in terms of P-MVA and S-IPS which is better and/or what is each geared towards (accuracy brightness, response time etc) __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Nov 9, 2007, 04:36 AM	#56
BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,248 Rep Power: 328 System Specs	S-IPS is the superiour panel in everything other than response times. Oh and it is far more expensive. __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Nov 9, 2007, 04:45 AM	#57
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	lol and P-MVA is the better at response times? __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Nov 9, 2007, 04:50 AM	#58
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	how about monitors based of of S-PVA panels? many of the non TN panels at 24" are S-PVA __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Nov 9, 2007, 05:46 AM	#60
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	hey, can someone point me to an affordable ($600 range) S-IPS based 24" monitor preferably in black? closest thing i see is the 1200 Dell 30 inch and that aint affordable.... __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!