22"-24" LCD Monitor Suggestions...

Zelig · Nov 9, 2007, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kris23

hey, can someone point me to an affordable ($600 range) S-IPS based 24" monitor preferably in black? closest thing i see is the 1200 Dell 30 inch and that aint affordable....

There aren't any.

**kris23** · Nov 9, 2007, 02:06 PM

lol

BlueMak · Nov 9, 2007, 02:07 PM

As I said S-IPS monitors are more expensive, much more.
If you don't want to use the monitor to make money, there is no reason to not get a P-MVA panel.

**kris23** · Nov 9, 2007, 02:23 PM

eh..... that dell thing looks like something my uncle would call cheap (HD fanatic) actually.... he DID call it cheap! crazy guy....

i may find a way yet to buy a huge monitor, but i may not. so i guess ill go with S-PVA or P-MVA

so is TN really the worst of the bunch?

BlueMak · Nov 9, 2007, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kris23

eh..... that dell thing looks like something my uncle would call cheap (HD fanatic) actually.... he DID call it cheap! crazy guy....

i may find a way yet to buy a huge monitor, but i may not. so i guess ill go with S-PVA or P-MVA

so is TN really the worst of the bunch?

TN has the best response times and cheaper. Nothing else.

**kris23** · Nov 9, 2007, 03:53 PM

best response? i guess with the 2ms response times yea they are. is Sceptre a good brand? they have the cheapest 24" models...

BlueMak · Nov 9, 2007, 04:19 PM

Usualy good and cheap do not go together. I don't know Sceptre and I wouldn't buy from them.

CJLMTLCA · Nov 10, 2007, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zelig

A00 (manufactured August 2007 in Mexico, FWIW), there aren't any other revisions yet, AFAIK.

I don't have the awful RTC issue "ghosting" that some people are reporting. I can see some issues with the image if I look for it, but I can do that on any monitor (including my CRT), so I'm generally happy with this display.

Running image tests, I get slight banding in gradients.

Although I don't have any good calibration equipment, if you're interested, I can go find a camera and take comparison pics of the Dell and my 19.8" Trinitron sitting beside it.

edit: This review has some good technical information and pictures showing ghosting relative to other LCDs.

I already have the 2407WFP and a 1907FP, i was thinking of replacing the 19" with a second 24" and the -HC is the only one from Dell now. I'm satisfied with the 2407. Thanks for the link, i'm off to read it now...

dipstick · Nov 10, 2007, 06:26 PM

Guys do yourselves a favor and don't overlook the NEC displays. I'm not joking when I say that I have never seen such quality control in my life. The fit and finish is beyond anything I have seen before, ever. Believe it or not this 2470WNX is unlike any other S-PVA panel I have seen. I cannot believe the uniformity of the backlight with no leakage whatsoever and somehow even the colors look a ton better than the HC dell I had. It is super expensive for the size/panel used but now I understand why. Everything from way its packaged, to the joystick control, to the ability to adjust the power led brightness screams quality. It even has the best cable management I've seen. I am totally sold. My next lcd is also going to be an NEC without second thought. Bye bye everyone else lol.

Yes, I'm that happy

Judas · Nov 13, 2007, 06:44 AM

I wouldn't completely call out TN as a NON option...

but apparently the damn good TN panels are bloody expensive.

ChaosMinionX · Nov 13, 2007, 07:47 AM

Judas, just an FYI after extensive research done by me today I am buying this monitor....

BenQ FP241W 24" 6ms full 1080p (1920x1200) 8bit AUO made MVA panel.

BenQ USA - Computing

I am ordering it later today when I get some pics of some hardware up to sell.

CJLMTLCA · Nov 13, 2007, 03:30 PM

Let us know your impressions when you get it and post some pics...

Zelig · Nov 13, 2007, 04:21 PM

Also, this thread on anandtech is quite good for LCD information:

AnandTech - The LCD Thread

Judas · Nov 13, 2007, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaosMinionX

Judas, just an FYI after extensive research done by me today I am buying this monitor....

BenQ FP241W 24" 6ms full 1080p (1920x1200) 8bit AUO made MVA panel.

BenQ USA - Computing

I am ordering it later today when I get some pics of some hardware up to sell.

yeah that looks like a damn good monitor..

but the even with the higher valued Exchange for the CAD.... wtf... it's almost 1100 bucks!

meanwhile i've got a 42" new generation 720p lcd toshiba tv sitting beside me for $1349

Zelig · Nov 13, 2007, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

yeah that looks like a damn good monitor..

but the even with the higher valued Exchange for the CAD.... wtf... it's almost 1100 bucks!

You're looking at the wrong stores in that case, I see it available to order at 3 different sites for $550.

Judas · Nov 14, 2007, 08:11 AM

Can't order through a website....

dipstick · Nov 21, 2007, 01:51 AM

Think I finally found me a true gem of a display. I bought and returned four lcd's this past month (yes, Dell hates me for real) but this one is not going anywhere for a very long time. This NEC 2490WUXi is absolutely fantastic. Viewing angles are the best I have seen on any lcd and the colors are absolutely stunning at any angle. I love how it gives me control over everything but it is a little overwhelming. Gaming on it is out of this world with no banding/ghosting and lag is a lot better than dell 2407 and nec 2470wnx. I have not found a reason to enable overdrive yet. It was expensive for a 24" but it was worth every penny. My search is done

Its new home

CJLMTLCA · Nov 21, 2007, 02:49 AM

Nice. If i didn't have a 24", i would buy that. But it's a little too expensive for a second 24"...

Zelig · Nov 21, 2007, 03:24 AM

Yeah, that looks awesome... doubt I could bring myself to pay that much for a 24" though, I'd probably just get a 30" instead. Especially with cheapo 24" screens selling for just under $400 now.

**kris23** · Nov 21, 2007, 03:47 AM

doesnt Dell use the same panel in their 30" 2560x1600 monster monitor?

Zelig · Nov 21, 2007, 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kris23

doesnt Dell use the same panel in their 30" 2560x1600 monster monitor?

Difficult to use a 24" panel in a 30" monitor.

dipstick · Nov 21, 2007, 04:25 AM

I thought about the 30" but its a monster. I cant sit in front of that for too long and it would probably kill my games. Keeping it at 24" I think it was a good choice but now I also have to a new monthly bill I have to worry about

Edit- Looking around the web (not many reviews on this thing btw) I found that it uses an H-IPS. I think the dell uses an S-IPS panel

Judas · Nov 21, 2007, 08:14 AM

the nice thing about the 30" 2560x1600.... is that is actually has a "2nd" native resolution exactly a quarter... 1280x800..... typically going to any other resolution would look utterly disgusting, but theres not many monitors you can do this while keeping a perfect 1:1:4 ratio setup.....

course it kinda defeats the purpose of high resolution lol, but it takes full advantage of the screens size in desperate performance situations without making things look blurry as hell, ugly distored at the same time.

dipstick · Nov 21, 2007, 08:01 PM

That's pretty neat and very welcome as gaming at its native rez would kill single card setups. But it's just to much screen area either way, my eyes would ignite in my darkish room. I'll agree that its the best bang for the buck though. The 3008fpw is on the way and it looks mighty impressive also

Judas · Nov 22, 2007, 04:11 AM

mmmm 3008wfp...

actually that's one thing that i kinda "shrugged off" about the 3007..... no other ports to plug anything into..

to bad no xbox360 or PS3 could possibly render @ 2560x1600 though...

dipstick · Nov 23, 2007, 06:50 AM

Looks like they are really taking care of that issue. That looks mighty impressive and its supposed to scale much better as well

Make sure to check the "concept" link from within the text

Kein · Dec 10, 2007, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zelig

Also, this thread on anandtech is quite good for LCD information:

AnandTech - The LCD Thread

DoubleSight DS-245W Black 24" 6ms, Samsung S-PVA panel - $470 or $440 AR (newegg)

Other than the high brightness (500 cd/m2), it looks good. As already stated in the url it might be using the same S-PVA panel found on the HP LP2465.

dmitrius · Jan 8, 2008, 07:12 PM

can anyone tell me the best place to buy/sell dell monitors. I have many of them left as overstock that I want to get rid of, but I am new to this forum. Is this the best place to go, or can someone direct me? Your assistance will be greatly appreciated.

smurfdude · Jan 9, 2008, 05:01 PM

i've recently bought a samsung pebble monitor. it's really good looking and i highly recommend one

although i'm sure half of you will turn your nose up at it because it doesn't support 5746565x48757474 resolutions for you to brag about

kvuong · Jan 11, 2008, 12:59 AM

I found the SOYO Topaz S series 24" (model DYLM24D6) for around $300's (or sometime Office Max sales) is best bang for the bucks. It uses PVA panel; very nice contrast / colors / view angle, and the only con is the black level but good enought.
PVA use 8-bit like some IPS, while S-PVA have deeper black level.

My friend Toshiba Regza 42" 42HL167 also used PVA panel had excellent black level and for $1300.
I'm very happy with my Soyo 24".

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Nov 9, 2007, 02:23 PM	#64
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	eh..... that dell thing looks like something my uncle would call cheap (HD fanatic) actually.... he DID call it cheap! crazy guy.... i may find a way yet to buy a huge monitor, but i may not. so i guess ill go with S-PVA or P-MVA so is TN really the worst of the bunch? __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums! Last edited by kris23; Nov 9, 2007 at 03:14 PM.

Nov 9, 2007, 03:53 PM	#66
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	best response? i guess with the 2ms response times yea they are. is Sceptre a good brand? they have the cheapest 24" models... __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Nov 9, 2007, 04:19 PM	#67
BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,248 Rep Power: 328 System Specs	Usualy good and cheap do not go together. I don't know Sceptre and I wouldn't buy from them. __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Nov 10, 2007, 06:26 PM	#69
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 70 System Specs	Guys do yourselves a favor and don't overlook the NEC displays. I'm not joking when I say that I have never seen such quality control in my life. The fit and finish is beyond anything I have seen before, ever. Believe it or not this 2470WNX is unlike any other S-PVA panel I have seen. I cannot believe the uniformity of the backlight with no leakage whatsoever and somehow even the colors look a ton better than the HC dell I had. It is super expensive for the size/panel used but now I understand why. Everything from way its packaged, to the joystick control, to the ability to adjust the power led brightness screams quality. It even has the best cable management I've seen. I am totally sold. My next lcd is also going to be an NEC without second thought. Bye bye everyone else lol. Yes, I'm that happy Last edited by dipstick; Nov 14, 2007 at 05:44 AM.

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ChaosMinionX USB 3 dot oh Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,911 Rep Power: 45 System Specs	Judas, just an FYI after extensive research done by me today I am buying this monitor.... BenQ FP241W 24" 6ms full 1080p (1920x1200) 8bit AUO made MVA panel. BenQ USA - Computing I am ordering it later today when I get some pics of some hardware up to sell. __________________ ::Heatware:: How you can help DriverHeaven by using Digg!

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Nov 21, 2007, 01:51 AM	#77
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 70 System Specs	Think I finally found me a true gem of a display. I bought and returned four lcd's this past month (yes, Dell hates me for real) but this one is not going anywhere for a very long time. This NEC 2490WUXi is absolutely fantastic. Viewing angles are the best I have seen on any lcd and the colors are absolutely stunning at any angle. I love how it gives me control over everything but it is a little overwhelming. Gaming on it is out of this world with no banding/ghosting and lag is a lot better than dell 2407 and nec 2470wnx. I have not found a reason to enable overdrive yet. It was expensive for a 24" but it was worth every penny. My search is done Its new home

Nov 21, 2007, 02:49 AM	#78
CJLMTLCA 14X Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 601 Rep Power: 60 System Specs	Nice. If i didn't have a 24", i would buy that. But it's a little too expensive for a second 24"... __________________

Nov 21, 2007, 03:24 AM	#79
Zelig HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,187 Rep Power: 69 System Specs	Yeah, that looks awesome... doubt I could bring myself to pay that much for a 24" though, I'd probably just get a 30" instead. Especially with cheapo 24" screens selling for just under $400 now. __________________ --

Nov 21, 2007, 03:47 AM	#80
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	doesnt Dell use the same panel in their 30" 2560x1600 monster monitor? __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Nov 21, 2007, 04:25 AM	#82
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 70 System Specs	I thought about the 30" but its a monster. I cant sit in front of that for too long and it would probably kill my games. Keeping it at 24" I think it was a good choice but now I also have to a new monthly bill I have to worry about Edit- Looking around the web (not many reviews on this thing btw) I found that it uses an H-IPS. I think the dell uses an S-IPS panel Last edited by dipstick; Nov 21, 2007 at 06:41 AM.

Nov 21, 2007, 08:01 PM	#84
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 70 System Specs	That's pretty neat and very welcome as gaming at its native rez would kill single card setups. But it's just to much screen area either way, my eyes would ignite in my darkish room. I'll agree that its the best bang for the buck though. The 3008fpw is on the way and it looks mighty impressive also

Nov 23, 2007, 06:50 AM	#86
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 70 System Specs	Looks like they are really taking care of that issue. That looks mighty impressive and its supposed to scale much better as well Make sure to check the "concept" link from within the text

Jan 8, 2008, 07:12 PM	#88
dmitrius DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	can anyone tell me the best place to buy/sell dell monitors. I have many of them left as overstock that I want to get rid of, but I am new to this forum. Is this the best place to go, or can someone direct me? Your assistance will be greatly appreciated.

Jan 9, 2008, 05:01 PM	#89
smurfdude DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 79 Rep Power: 0	i've recently bought a samsung pebble monitor. it's really good looking and i highly recommend one although i'm sure half of you will turn your nose up at it because it doesn't support 5746565x48757474 resolutions for you to brag about

Jan 11, 2008, 12:59 AM	#90
kvuong DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: USA ohio Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	I found the SOYO Topaz S series 24" (model DYLM24D6) for around $300's (or sometime Office Max sales) is best bang for the bucks. It uses PVA panel; very nice contrast / colors / view angle, and the only con is the black level but good enought. PVA use 8-bit like some IPS, while S-PVA have deeper black level. My friend Toshiba Regza 42" 42HL167 also used PVA panel had excellent black level and for $1300. I'm very happy with my Soyo 24".