Via C3 CPU's......

Judas · Nov 6, 2007, 08:58 PM

OK, just had a tower come in for some work..

WGA loaded on it and is bitching apparently...

a few other things..

733mhz isthe rating, 256mb of ram, and the suckers booting and running slower then the P1 133mhz 64mb machine i've got off to the side...

Ran some tests on it and the performance is utterly barbaric in terms of comparison to that of a AMD or Intel cpu.... i haven't had much in touch with via's cpus... and anything i've seen about them doesn't ever prove to be all that good... hey they run cool as hell though... apparently doesn't need much of a heatsink at all look at the mini 30mm (looks that big.. smaller then most northbridges) fan basically a flat plate..

the cpu however is directly soldered to the board....

in either case, upgradeing the cpu has officially been scraped... and i just tried to pop in a 512mb of ram, with no luck....

Anyone have any tips or know how with the via cpus.... or am i indeed dealing with garbage here?

ChaosMinionX · Nov 7, 2007, 01:16 AM

Quote:

OK, just had a tower come in for some work..

WGA loaded on it and is bitching apparently...

a few other things..

733mhz isthe rating, 256mb of ram, and the suckers booting and running slower then the P1 133mhz 64mb machine i've got off to the side...

What do you mean by that? The wording is a bit rough

Judas · Nov 7, 2007, 04:04 PM

Ah, someone loaded either a pirated version of xp on it or the one one thier is being mistaken as one...

A number of other things are "not as they would seem" but i disabled and cleaned up a fair bit of it..

But the tower is definitely still after a bit of work, acting like it's running much much slower then that of the other machine i've got running a P1 133mhz 64mb machine.... that's pretty damn piss poor slow isn't..

i mean i didn't think i'd find a cpu that slow...i was just wondering if anyone knew more about these via cpu's and if this is normal.

ChaosMinionX · Nov 7, 2007, 07:22 PM

Sounds like its throttling..... put the processor under load with a stress program, and take a look at the clocks with CPU-Z.

Judas · Nov 7, 2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosMinionX

Sounds like its throttling..... put the processor under load with a stress program, and take a look at the clocks with CPU-Z.

i have...

it's not throttling.... it just apparently sucks balls lol

**kris23** · Nov 7, 2007, 11:16 PM

everyone said VIA sucked in just about every consumer market they're in..... so you cant just pop in a brand new HDD and see if that speeds things up?

im thinking you cannot reformat?

PangingJr · Nov 8, 2007, 07:03 AM

so the machine always has XP on it or it was originally has other operating system.
explain how it sucks balls.

josh2thad · Nov 8, 2007, 07:57 AM

ive had a via cpu and no they dont compare to amd or intel... cant be as bad as cyrix back in the day tho

ChaosMinionX · Nov 8, 2007, 08:03 AM

I would actually tell that customer to buy a new system

PangingJr · Nov 8, 2007, 08:06 AM

i think Judas has already silently did that

joffahall81 · Nov 8, 2007, 10:18 AM

the VIA C3 cpu is garbage anyway it was designed to be a low power usage and low thermal output CPU to be used as a cheap office solution. even when it was released it performed 25% - 30% worse than the Intel Celeron and 35%-40% worse than the AMD Duron.

they are embedded so that the CPU could not be changed as VIA wanted the processor to fulfill strict thermal and power outputs of total the total systems to make sure that Buisness were interested in the systems.

after the failure to lure buisness customers VIA decided to put the VIA C3 cpu into laptops as it was an ideal solution for this due to the criteria it was designed to meet. all these laptop were sealed units with no expansion options (including memory + HDD) but they were really cheap at the time.

t obe honest i wouldnt mess around with the tower too much as it is seriously not worth it it would be cheaper to replace the motherboard, CPU and memory for modern components rather than mess around with the C3.

Judas · Nov 8, 2007, 05:15 PM

yes i've already informed the owner that overall.. the cost of making the system "WGA" certified and genuine... plus the labour involved.. they are looking at basically putting 3 to 4 times as much money into something that'll still remain worthless...

I've got it set aside, i'm not going to touch it (i'll screw around with it on my own free time... will even give the customer a small dollar value back on it IF they purchase a system from me).... got a quote sitting next to me waiting for thier call back... (left a message)..

if they decide to go with a new machine, they'll be flying..

intel setup with radeon x1300 for a good deal

(windows vista x64)

Matth · Nov 10, 2007, 11:00 PM

BlueSmoke - Review : VIA C3 Processor
Pretty much outlines where the C3 stands against an Intel 733, possibly more on the level with a Celeron 300A.

Perhaps it's slow memory, as it really shouldn't have any trouble beating a P133, if its hamstrung with async PC100 RAM to 133FSB, then the Duron-sized cahes (2x 64, plus 64 secondary), could leave it floundering on memory access.

In short, if it doesn't even have legit software, the guy would be better off buying a bottom end "Supermarket PC", OS included, as even today's bottom of the barrel budget machine would blow it away.

The VIA 733 ought to be able to make a nice quiet machine though, paired with a "green" hard drive it might make a nice little fileserver or media PC.

I'm guessing that a 733 is a "Samuel 2", other notable features being a low speed FPU

PS. Don't Diss the Cyrix, I had a P150+ and it had some features ahead of it's time - they had speculation and made the 16/32 bit pipeline work a lot better than Intel did. Went downhill from there, of course, as Intel got their act together on the features other were doing better than they were.

Judas · Nov 13, 2007, 05:39 AM

Yes it's labeled as a samuel 2

quite right there matth

Looks like pc100 but it's completely unmarked and everest cannot determine it's spd...

Either case, i've already set aside a lower end inte based quote....

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Matth Flash Banner Hater Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,426 Rep Power: 93 System Specs	BlueSmoke - Review : VIA C3 Processor Pretty much outlines where the C3 stands against an Intel 733, possibly more on the level with a Celeron 300A. Perhaps it's slow memory, as it really shouldn't have any trouble beating a P133, if its hamstrung with async PC100 RAM to 133FSB, then the Duron-sized cahes (2x 64, plus 64 secondary), could leave it floundering on memory access. In short, if it doesn't even have legit software, the guy would be better off buying a bottom end "Supermarket PC", OS included, as even today's bottom of the barrel budget machine would blow it away. The VIA 733 ought to be able to make a nice quiet machine though, paired with a "green" hard drive it might make a nice little fileserver or media PC. I'm guessing that a 733 is a "Samuel 2", other notable features being a low speed FPU PS. Don't Diss the Cyrix, I had a P150+ and it had some features ahead of it's time - they had speculation and made the 16/32 bit pipeline work a lot better than Intel did. Went downhill from there, of course, as Intel got their act together on the features other were doing better than they were. __________________ Mary had a little lamb, Her father shot it dead Now Mary takes her lamb to school, Between two crusts of bread Last edited by Matth; Nov 10, 2007 at 11:06 PM.

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PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 71	so the machine always has XP on it or it was originally has other operating system. explain how it sucks balls.

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Nov 8, 2007, 10:18 AM	#11
joffahall81 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	the VIA C3 cpu is garbage anyway it was designed to be a low power usage and low thermal output CPU to be used as a cheap office solution. even when it was released it performed 25% - 30% worse than the Intel Celeron and 35%-40% worse than the AMD Duron. they are embedded so that the CPU could not be changed as VIA wanted the processor to fulfill strict thermal and power outputs of total the total systems to make sure that Buisness were interested in the systems. after the failure to lure buisness customers VIA decided to put the VIA C3 cpu into laptops as it was an ideal solution for this due to the criteria it was designed to meet. all these laptop were sealed units with no expansion options (including memory + HDD) but they were really cheap at the time. t obe honest i wouldnt mess around with the tower too much as it is seriously not worth it it would be cheaper to replace the motherboard, CPU and memory for modern components rather than mess around with the C3.