Few questions

Kazeko · Nov 27, 2007, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by retard

Not just yet but in a month or two i plan to get another 2GB of RAM and then switch to Vista

you think that would be enough to run games on vista without problems ?

<--- I do with zero issue.

swimtech · Nov 27, 2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kris23

20% slower isnt equivalent man.... thats a whole 1/5th. but there are so many varying reviews im waiting for DH's review.

You're right about that percentage - agreed. But, many times a 10-20% performance difference isn't all that noticeable in actual gameplay unless you're running right at the edge of playability in a game to begin with, but (I see your point...) the latest game releases almost require that the video card run at the top end of its performance.

The review we were waiting for is up, and makes the 3870 look even worse in comparison for some of the current (and most popular) games - Crysis in particular.

Looks like too, as of today and probably for a while, the supposed price advantage of the 3870 over the 8800GT does not exist - they're both about 260.00 (US) now - if you can even order either one.

Nice pick on the video card retard...

retard · Nov 27, 2007, 10:04 PM

I have orderd the Mobo , CPU , RAM , PSU and they should arrive on friday but im still waiting for that GPU and they say it should arrive sometime next week

Anyway thanks once again everyone your advice has been very very usefull

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**kris23** · Nov 28, 2007, 12:44 AM

uhh.... can you tell me what PSU you ordered?

retard · Nov 28, 2007, 02:08 AM

Its Chieftec GPS-650 650W Full. I used that extreme power supply calculator and it show i need 520w but i like to have a little more than i need

**kris23** · Nov 28, 2007, 02:24 AM

doesn't look like something anyone here would recommend but i suppose its fine.... i know i wouldn't. how much you pay for it?

retard · Nov 28, 2007, 03:08 AM

100e . Its either that or Trust PW-5500 570W PRO and it looks like Chieftec is better ?

**kris23** · Nov 28, 2007, 03:16 AM

yea the chieftec is the far better choice between them, i would've chose a better designed PSU with the new 8-pin PCI-E connectors.

retard · Nov 28, 2007, 03:25 AM

8800GT needs 6pin or 8pin ??

**kris23** · Nov 28, 2007, 03:32 AM

6 pin but it will be needed in the future. its pretty hard to find 8-Pin PCIe adapters.

retard · Nov 28, 2007, 03:36 AM

How about CHIEFTEC CFT-650-14C ? I think it has 8pin and can i connect a 6pin card on 8pins ? How ?

**kris23** · Nov 28, 2007, 03:59 AM

all PSUs with 8-pin PCI-e power connectors have 6 pins on them.

can you also just skip the chieftec branding? never heard anything about them really....

where are you buying this hardware from anyway?

cozumel · Nov 28, 2007, 04:10 AM

If you've got about 100 Euros check out the Antec TruePower Trio 650W. It comes in at about £75 in the UK which works out as 105 Euros approx. You won't go wrong with an Antec for stability and value.

What you have to be aware of is that the PSU probably is the most important thing you will buy. If the PSU fails it can take all your hardware with you. I can't even find a Chieftec listed in the UK nor any reviews. It might be that it is a quality part but I cannot be sure.

Always best to go for a tried and tested stable performer. Antec or Enermax brands offer both.

retard · Nov 28, 2007, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kris23

can you also just skip the chieftec branding? never heard anything about them really....

where are you buying this hardware from anyway?

Its very well known here in Serbia and they make good PSUs but i went around looking for antec and found the one cozumel said at 107e

Ill have to cancel the one i ordered and order this ANTEC TP-Trio 650 from a diferent store. Is 8pin or 6pin ?

Good thing kris23 asked me about the PSU i figured Chieftec is one of the best PSUs.. gues i was wrong

cozumel · Nov 28, 2007, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by retard

Its very well known here in Serbia and they make good PSUs but i went around looking for antec and found the one cozumel said at 107e

Ill have to cancel the one i ordered and order this ANTEC TP-Trio 650 from a diferent store. Is 8pin or 6pin ?

Good thing kris23 asked me about the PSU i figured Chieftec is one of the best PSUs.. gues i was wrong

I think it is six pin but Im not 100% certain. Chieftec may well manufacture quality PSU's but I just have not been able to find any reviews or any for sale in the UK so was unable to confirm. The only thing I could find was not in English and I couldn't understand lol. Maybe the article was in Serbo-Croat lol?

**kris23** · Nov 28, 2007, 04:32 AM

its hardly known around here, and the PSU info is very skimpy to me..... that gives me the message that they don't back their products very much...

i recommend an Enermax Infiniti or Galaxy, very well tested PSUs though expensive. i also recommend PC Power and Cooling, Corsair has made a name for themselves in the PSU industry very fast.

Antec and their OEM partner is repeatedly chewed out as some of the worst PSUs on the market, seeing alot of stuff on DH where they killed their VERY expensive X38 boards.

cozumel · Nov 28, 2007, 04:38 AM

See here for a full list of reviews on the Antec TruePower 650W

Here is the list of connectors.

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Originally Posted by kris23

i recommend an Enermax Infiniti or Galaxy, very well tested PSUs though expensive. i also recommend PC Power and Cooling, Corsair has made a name for themselves in the PSU industry very fast.

Antec and their OEM partner is repeatedly chewed out as some of the worst PSUs on the market, seeing alot of stuff on DH where they killed their VERY expensive X38 boards.

At least we are agreed on the Enermax. I've got a Noisetaker II 600W in my other rig next to me. Very nice it is too. Trouble is the caps blew on the m/board which is why I bought this HP rubbish to keep me going 'til I build my new rig.

I don't agree with what you said about the Antecs. I have only read positive things. Any links to troublesome TruePower PSU's please?

**kris23** · Nov 28, 2007, 04:38 AM

well i saw no enermax but i found stuff just as good.

BT Shop - Corsair Memory 750W TX SERIES ATX (CMPSU-750TXUK)
BT Shop - CoolerMaster 1000W REAL POWER PRO MODULAR PSU (RS-A00-ESBA)

**kris23** · Nov 28, 2007, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by cozumel

See here for a full list of reviews on the Antec TruePower 650W

Here is the list of connectors.

yea... no 8-pin PCI-E, just 8-Pin 12v power

cozumel · Nov 28, 2007, 04:50 AM

That Corsair is nice - would work out at about 125-130 Euros off the top of my head. Any good to you retard?

@kris: Wasn't sure if you saw my edit on my last post as I finished the edit after you posted again. Do you have any links to troublesome TruePower PSUs please?

cozumel · Nov 28, 2007, 05:01 AM

Enermax Noisetaker 600W - £82.24 (probably around 120-125 Euros)

retard · Nov 28, 2007, 05:16 AM

How about this one COOLER MASTER Real Power M620 RS-620-ASAA-A1 ? or maybe CORSAIR CMPSU-620HXEU ?

From enermax there is only a 480W PSU's nothing higher at the moment.
BTW i dont intend to go above 150e for a PSU ..

**kris23** · Nov 28, 2007, 05:32 AM

none of those man.... try to get above the 600w range if possible, thats where everything is going really,

the Corsair is the best deal in my opinion.

**kris23** · Nov 28, 2007, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by cozumel

That Corsair is nice - would work out at about 125-130 Euros off the top of my head. Any good to you retard?

@kris: Wasn't sure if you saw my edit on my last post as I finished the edit after you posted again. Do you have any links to troublesome TruePower PSUs please?

no truePower PSUs the Trio line ive seen as a good decent item.

Quattro line however is pretty much on the avoid list for me since they take everything they're connected to when they die........

retard · Nov 28, 2007, 05:40 AM

Damn i never figured its this hard to choose a PSU

This one seems to be the best one available under 150e : COOLER MASTER Real Power M700 RS-700-ASAA-A1 is it any good ?

Sorry guys for all this fuss i made but i want to choose the best one i can and im not really experienced with PSU's.

cozumel · Nov 28, 2007, 05:46 AM

The Corsair HX620 was reviewed by DriverHeaven 23/10/06 and performed well.

The CoolerMaster M1000 was reviewed by DriverHeaven 13/08/2007 and it too performed well. The unit also has an 8-pin option for PCIe. The M620 or M700 models would perform in a similar manner.

Both options appear nice although I don't think the Corsair has the 8-pin option PCIe

cozumel · Nov 28, 2007, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kris23

no truePower PSUs the Trio line ive seen as a good decent item.

Quattro line however is pretty much on the avoid list for me since they take everything they're connected to when they die........

So you're saying the TruePower Trio is a decent model? That was the model to which I linked.

**kris23** · Nov 28, 2007, 05:52 AM

the thing is that the Corsair has FOUR 6+2 (8-Pin) adapters. theres only a handful of other PSUs with 4 8-Pin PCI-E connectors

none other has that many 6+2 connectors either.

it is the most stable PSU and most flexible on the market. it has a single 60A rail which is THE best for stability on your particular setup

the Real Power Pro 700 is also a good one with 8-Pin PCI-E connectors but it wont give you the kind of stuff you need in the near future.

**kris23** · Nov 28, 2007, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by cozumel

So you're saying the TruePower Trio is a decent model? That was the model to which I linked.

lol im trying the best to get him a PSU so he doesnt have to get a new one if he ever needs to upgrade a CPU or GPU or something.

best features for price anyway.... and yea, i linked him the Real Power Pro 1000w but it isnt in his price range.

PangingJr · Nov 28, 2007, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Kazeko

<--- I do with zero issue.

i think the memory controller in Nvidia nForce 680i (your motherboard chipset) has something very good going on in it.

with 2 sets of 2x1GB memeory kits, total of 4GB in my Gigabyte boards, Intel P965's, P35's, the memory controllers don't seem to handle DDR2-1066MHz CAS4-4-4, not even at CAS5, it will always cause system stable issue. i also have seen some other who uses 4x1GB (2 sets of 2x1GB memeory kit) memeory on even the boards that based on Intel X38 still having similar problem, some says all they can will be like, not more than DDR2 800, 900-100MHz or so when CPU FSB has been increased to a much higher MHz than stock, or couldn't run 4:5 and so on.

Nov 28, 2007, 12:44 AM	#34
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	uhh.... can you tell me what PSU you ordered? __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Nov 28, 2007, 02:24 AM	#36
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	doesn't look like something anyone here would recommend but i suppose its fine.... i know i wouldn't. how much you pay for it? __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Nov 28, 2007, 03:16 AM	#38
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	yea the chieftec is the far better choice between them, i would've chose a better designed PSU with the new 8-pin PCI-E connectors. __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Nov 28, 2007, 03:32 AM	#40
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	6 pin but it will be needed in the future. its pretty hard to find 8-Pin PCIe adapters. __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Nov 28, 2007, 03:59 AM	#42
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	all PSUs with 8-pin PCI-e power connectors have 6 pins on them. can you also just skip the chieftec branding? never heard anything about them really.... where are you buying this hardware from anyway? __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Nov 27, 2007, 10:04 PM	Thread Starter #33
retard DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 60 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I have orderd the Mobo , CPU , RAM , PSU and they should arrive on friday but im still waiting for that GPU and they say it should arrive sometime next week Anyway thanks once again everyone your advice has been very very usefull )

Nov 28, 2007, 02:08 AM	Thread Starter #35
retard DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 60 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Its Chieftec GPS-650 650W Full. I used that extreme power supply calculator and it show i need 520w but i like to have a little more than i need

Nov 28, 2007, 03:08 AM	Thread Starter #37
retard DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 60 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	100e . Its either that or Trust PW-5500 570W PRO and it looks like Chieftec is better ?

Nov 28, 2007, 03:25 AM	Thread Starter #39
retard DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 60 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	8800GT needs 6pin or 8pin ??

Nov 28, 2007, 03:36 AM	Thread Starter #41
retard DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 60 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	How about CHIEFTEC CFT-650-14C ? I think it has 8pin and can i connect a 6pin card on 8pins ? How ?

Nov 28, 2007, 04:10 AM	#43
cozumel I'm dangerous but cute... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Under the waves... Posts: 3,577 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	If you've got about 100 Euros check out the Antec TruePower Trio 650W. It comes in at about £75 in the UK which works out as 105 Euros approx. You won't go wrong with an Antec for stability and value. What you have to be aware of is that the PSU probably is the most important thing you will buy. If the PSU fails it can take all your hardware with you. I can't even find a Chieftec listed in the UK nor any reviews. It might be that it is a quality part but I cannot be sure. Always best to go for a tried and tested stable performer. Antec or Enermax brands offer both. __________________ Don't worry about money - Be a beach bum! Scuba Rocks Last edited by cozumel; Nov 28, 2007 at 04:18 AM. Reason: To add link (and correct price)

Nov 28, 2007, 04:32 AM	#46
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	its hardly known around here, and the PSU info is very skimpy to me..... that gives me the message that they don't back their products very much... i recommend an Enermax Infiniti or Galaxy, very well tested PSUs though expensive. i also recommend PC Power and Cooling, Corsair has made a name for themselves in the PSU industry very fast. Antec and their OEM partner is repeatedly chewed out as some of the worst PSUs on the market, seeing alot of stuff on DH where they killed their VERY expensive X38 boards. __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Nov 28, 2007, 04:38 AM	#48
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	well i saw no enermax but i found stuff just as good. BT Shop - Corsair Memory 750W TX SERIES ATX (CMPSU-750TXUK) BT Shop - CoolerMaster 1000W REAL POWER PRO MODULAR PSU (RS-A00-ESBA) __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Nov 28, 2007, 04:50 AM	#50
cozumel I'm dangerous but cute... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Under the waves... Posts: 3,577 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	That Corsair is nice - would work out at about 125-130 Euros off the top of my head. Any good to you retard? @kris: Wasn't sure if you saw my edit on my last post as I finished the edit after you posted again. Do you have any links to troublesome TruePower PSUs please? __________________ Don't worry about money - Be a beach bum! Scuba Rocks

Nov 28, 2007, 05:01 AM	#51
cozumel I'm dangerous but cute... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Under the waves... Posts: 3,577 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	Enermax Noisetaker 600W - £82.24 (probably around 120-125 Euros) __________________ Don't worry about money - Be a beach bum! Scuba Rocks

Nov 28, 2007, 05:16 AM	Thread Starter #52
retard DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 60 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	How about this one COOLER MASTER Real Power M620 RS-620-ASAA-A1 ? or maybe CORSAIR CMPSU-620HXEU ? From enermax there is only a 480W PSU's nothing higher at the moment. BTW i dont intend to go above 150e for a PSU ..

Nov 28, 2007, 05:32 AM	#53
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	none of those man.... try to get above the 600w range if possible, thats where everything is going really, the Corsair is the best deal in my opinion. __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Nov 28, 2007, 05:40 AM	Thread Starter #55
retard DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 60 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Damn i never figured its this hard to choose a PSU This one seems to be the best one available under 150e : COOLER MASTER Real Power M700 RS-700-ASAA-A1 is it any good ? Sorry guys for all this fuss i made but i want to choose the best one i can and im not really experienced with PSU's.

Nov 28, 2007, 05:46 AM	#56
cozumel I'm dangerous but cute... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Under the waves... Posts: 3,577 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	The Corsair HX620 was reviewed by DriverHeaven 23/10/06 and performed well. The CoolerMaster M1000 was reviewed by DriverHeaven 13/08/2007 and it too performed well. The unit also has an 8-pin option for PCIe. The M620 or M700 models would perform in a similar manner. Both options appear nice although I don't think the Corsair has the 8-pin option PCIe __________________ Don't worry about money - Be a beach bum! Scuba Rocks

Nov 28, 2007, 05:52 AM	#58
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	the thing is that the Corsair has FOUR 6+2 (8-Pin) adapters. theres only a handful of other PSUs with 4 8-Pin PCI-E connectors none other has that many 6+2 connectors either. it is the most stable PSU and most flexible on the market. it has a single 60A rail which is THE best for stability on your particular setup the Real Power Pro 700 is also a good one with 8-Pin PCI-E connectors but it wont give you the kind of stuff you need in the near future. __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!