ok now the new stuff

procupine14 · Nov 25, 2007, 08:33 AM

anyone got any good things on the phenom core seeing as it is out now?

im kinda curious

**kris23** · Nov 25, 2007, 08:38 AM

there isnt too much im afraid..... clock for clock the old Q6600 beats the majority of them.

the 90nm X2s do better than them in certain dual core tests and gaming......

unless you are looking at it for the quad graphics, i see nothing for it.

procupine14 · Nov 25, 2007, 08:40 AM

thats what i was thinking.....i saw one for sale on newegg and thought id look around at some research but i didn't find much

**kris23** · Nov 25, 2007, 08:47 AM

yorkfield is coming in the same exact price-point soon and that thing REALLY spanks Phenom's ass.....

better in every major area really,

better throttling
better OCing
less power
wider platform (P35, X38, DDR2, DDR3, CrossfireX with certain PCI-E 2.0 boards.
SSE4 instruction set
45nm w High-k Metal-Gate technology

i hope they can get SOMETHING to get them up in the game..... their failing even in the budget section.....

i think in everyday tasks, Phenom does a bit better.... but thats just my optimistic thinking going.

procupine14 · Nov 25, 2007, 08:50 AM

well......at this point i've pretty much lost hope on AMD and just kind waiting around for good pricing to get me a solid upgrade probably at the end of this year.....but i kinda still want AMD to pull something out of thin air to get some price control on intel......you know.......drop some $$$ off of the intel chips

**kris23** · Nov 25, 2007, 09:01 AM

if only AMD's technology fabrication and budget was on par with Intel's and Nvidia's.....

then we got some fire.......

Intel and AMD equivalent rigs arent too different in price from each other.

both got quads, both got DDR2 1066, both got PCI-E 2.0, both got the same TDP....

I suggest buying an X48 board and RAM and get Yorkfield with dual 3870 X2 cards.....

you get some massive power,,,,

im also wondering what nVidia is bringing to the table with 780i/790i.... the high end successor to G92

Necrosis · Nov 25, 2007, 10:45 AM

Honestly w/ the speeds they're binning I wouldn't even think about one until next year.

CDsDontBurn · Nov 25, 2007, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kris23

yorkfield is coming in the same exact price-point soon and that thing REALLY spanks Phenom's ass.....

really? where's the proof to prove this?

cozumel · Nov 25, 2007, 03:04 PM

AMD are just way behind bringing out their quad core and they're all clocked slower. I reckon for now it's up to AMD to try and be competitive with pricing so that you can get the best bang for buck deal. Also good for all of us if they are competitively priced as it keeps Intel prices down too.

procupine14 · Nov 25, 2007, 03:06 PM

yeah.....thats my biggest concern.....if AMD falls too far behind Intel's prices will become outrageously high and there won't be anything to limit them nor will there be another company making chips

cozumel · Nov 25, 2007, 03:16 PM

Ain't nothin' worse for the consumer than having a marketplace with only one vendor in town. Need AMD to be strong in both the CPUs and GFX markets. It's so nice to have choice. Similar thing as what happened in the Audio market when Creative were number one for so long then came Auzentech to spice it up and hopefully will provide Creative with impetus to raise their game in the future.

CDsDontBurn · Nov 25, 2007, 06:32 PM

do you guys think that the US governement will step in and help out AMD if they fall too far behind before they go bust? the only reason why this would happen, would be to not let Intel become a monopoly.

**kris23** · Nov 25, 2007, 07:34 PM

government can do that?

ChaosMinionX · Nov 25, 2007, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by procupine14

anyone got any good things on the phenom core seeing as it is out now?

im kinda curious

All I am going to say about Phenom is... lol

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Originally Posted by Necrosis

Honestly w/ the speeds their binning I wouldn't even think about one until next year.

Wont see much outta Phenom at all, its not even on par with Kentsfield, and Penryn is going to smash it into the ground. And as far as overclocking goes, Intel will always win.

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

really? where's the proof to prove this?

Phenom X4 9700 / 2400MHz / 4MB Cache / 2000MHz HT / 125W - $279
Phenom X4 9600 / 2300MHz / 4MB Cache / 1800MHz HT / 95W - $269
Phenom X4 9500 / 2200MHz / 4MB Cache / 1800MHz HT / 95W - $239
Source:AMD Phenom X4 processor pricing update - TechSpot News

And the Q9300 has more than enough at 266 to smash that X4 9700.

Quote:

Originally Posted by procupine14

yeah.....thats my biggest concern.....if AMD falls too far behind Intel's prices will become outrageously high and there won't be anything to limit them nor will there be another company making chips

AMD Has been far behind Intel since the launch of Core2 architecture, and they still have very reasonably priced chips. They slashed prices of Quads by half when they were the only quads on the market. I doubt you will see Intel doing this.

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

do you guys think that the US governement will step in and help out AMD if they fall too far behind before they go bust? the only reason why this would happen, would be to not let Intel become a monopoly.

No, the only logical person that would step in is IBM....but AMD is still a ways off from going under, but I dont think the Govt will subsidize a major corporations budget to prevent them from going under.

**Mousey** · Nov 25, 2007, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by procupine14

well......at this point i've pretty much lost hope on AMD and just kind waiting around for good pricing to get me a solid upgrade probably at the end of this year.....but i kinda still want AMD to pull something out of thin air to get some price control on intel......you know.......drop some $$$ off of the intel chips

Amen to that, if not enough people go back to AMD intel users are stuck with what they got unless they decide to fork out for a new cpu.
It's a shame that all the 69nm cpus are being replaced by 45nm ones as well, because i can't get a cheap core 2 duo anymore

Necrosis · Nov 25, 2007, 09:55 PM

Youngster's

. I can't believe people are going crazy about this. Doesn't any one here remember the K5/K6 days? AMD is not going to faultier because of recent events. It's just what happens when you depend on a current design too much. Heck w/o AMD kicking the snot out of Intel for 3 years straight we wouldn't have the processors we have now; nor at the price point. Heck, even the Intel processors we're using are a rehashed design. Intel is basically took what AMD was doing but just did it better. However, I wouldn't worry too much about it folks. AMD will be back, history always repeats itself.

Quote:

Originally Posted by procupine14

yeah.....thats my biggest concern.....if AMD falls too far behind Intel's prices will become outrageously high and there won't be anything to limit them nor will there be another company making chips

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaosMinionX

AMD Has been far behind Intel since the launch of Core2 architecture, and they still have very reasonably priced chips. They slashed prices of Quads by half when they were the only quads on the market. I doubt you will see Intel doing this.

I disagree. Just look the prices of the latest AMD/ATI hardware compared to the Nvidia. Look a the price differences, what costs more because why? Like I said above the K5/K6 processors were way cheaper than their P2/P3 counterparts. So it allowed some one like me at the time with not a lot of money to really get into building my own computers. Intel will not keep the prices as low forever, they'll need to get their investors happy just like everyone else. So folks enjoy it while you can the days of decent cheap Intel processors draws nigh.

ChaosMinionX · Nov 25, 2007, 10:41 PM

Its not looking at leaving the 300-500$ mainstream pricepoint, extremes will always be like a grand, and Nehalem is right around the corner, and AMD isnt producing anything, phenom is a joke and their "monolithic" quadcore they were touting around for months turned out to be slower than Intels lowest quad and it beat AMDs highest.

procupine14 · Nov 25, 2007, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaosMinionX

Its not looking at leaving the 300-500$ mainstream pricepoint, extremes will always be like a grand, and Nehalem is right around the corner, and AMD isnt producing anything, phenom is a joke and their "monolithic" quadcore they were touting around for months turned out to be slower than Intels lowest quad and it beat AMDs highest.

thats the problem.....aside from a select set of enthusiasts who wants to pay $300 for a chip?.....i mean jesus i don't even want to think about shelling out that kind of lettuce for a new cpu

it just seems ludacris to me.....the 5200+ i have right now set me back about $170 and i bitched about that

Just saying the mousey has a very strong point as well:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mousey

Amen to that, if not enough people go back to AMD intel users are stuck with what they got unless they decide to fork out for a new cpu.
It's a shame that all the 69nm cpus are being replaced by 45nm ones as well, because i can't get a cheap core 2 duo anymore

CDsDontBurn · Nov 25, 2007, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaosMinionX

Phenom X4 9700 / 2400MHz / 4MB Cache / 2000MHz HT / 125W - $279
Phenom X4 9600 / 2300MHz / 4MB Cache / 1800MHz HT / 95W - $269
Phenom X4 9500 / 2200MHz / 4MB Cache / 1800MHz HT / 95W - $239
Source:AMD Phenom X4 processor pricing update - TechSpot News

And the Q9300 has more than enough at 266 to smash that X4 9700.

nice find

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaosMinionX

No, the only logical person that would step in is IBM....but AMD is still a ways off from going under, but I dont think the Govt will subsidize a major corporations budget to prevent them from going under.

government has done it several times for other large companies. this is especially true in the airline industry. but then, that is the airline industry.

and why would it be IBM to step up to the plate *if* that were to happen? i thought IBM was all buddy-buddy with Intel?

procupine14 · Nov 25, 2007, 11:58 PM

but hey what better way to get back into the hardcore hardware industry like teaming up with the other side to get your hand in the proverbial "cookie jar"

ChaosMinionX · Nov 26, 2007, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by procupine14

thats the problem.....aside from a select set of enthusiasts who wants to pay $300 for a chip?.....i mean jesus i don't even want to think about shelling out that kind of lettuce for a new cpu

it just seems ludacris to me.....the 5200+ i have right now set me back about $170 and i bitched about that

Just saying the mousey has a very strong point as well:

$300 for a quadcore, is not that much at all.

You can always spend less and go dual core.

**kris23** · Nov 26, 2007, 12:09 AM

lol, 300 isnt alot..... even i can get that in a few weeks of saving....

cozumel · Nov 26, 2007, 12:14 AM

But $300 can be a lot when you've got to put food on the table, pay the bills, mortgage, clothes for the kids etc etc etc. It all depends on what your disposable income and outgoings are and where your priorities lie.

CDsDontBurn · Nov 26, 2007, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cozumel

But $300 can be a lot when you've got to put food on the table, pay the bills, mortgage, clothes for the kids etc etc etc. It all depends on what your disposable income and outgoings are and where your priorities lie.

very true. $300 isn't alot to CMX because he's single, lives at home w/his mom, his only bill is a cell phone bill, and only expense is gas to get to and from work. and we all know he makes 135k/yr.

ChaosMinionX · Nov 26, 2007, 01:56 AM

Where do I make 135k a year? lol

Necrosis · Nov 26, 2007, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaosMinionX

Its not looking at leaving the 300-500$ mainstream pricepoint, extremes will always be like a grand, and Nehalem is right around the corner, and AMD isnt producing anything, phenom is a joke and their "monolithic" quadcore they were touting around for months turned out to be slower than Intels lowest quad and it beat AMDs highest.

Well the reason the Q6600 is so cheap is because of AMD bringing out their quad core. It's well known Intel dropped the price just to suck in users to jump ship. Currently there isn't that much choice for quads at the moment if you ask me. It's either pick a really slow chip or get a e6850 or a q6600. Pretty much every thing beyond those two price points literally is stupid. The Penryn chips are nice but really aren't that big of a leap. Problem is if the gab between both companies grows too large Intel will end up leaving AMD w/ the bottom half of the market. You don't sell product for cheaper than you really have to. BTW folks for all those out there the highest clocked Phenom is 2.3GHz so I hope it would be beaten. You know it's quite amazing you have this stance on Intel, because w/ the same logic you'd be using Nvidia instead.

**Mousey** · Nov 26, 2007, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by procupine14

but hey what better way to get back into the hardcore hardware industry like teaming up with the other side to get your hand in the proverbial "cookie jar"

There are lots of proverbial things that AMD Are having shoved up their arses atm.
I've never liked AMD CPUs much, i remember once going into the BIOS on my dad's old computer and i nearly had a heart attack at the temps he was getting on his old Athlon.

Hence why i only support AMD from a strict pricing point of view. Intel is definately leader of the pack in low mid and high end markets for everything from desktop computing to gaming, but unless AMD give em a good scare with a beastly new CPU at a minimal price then i doubt i'm going to be getting a new cpu for christmas

retard · Nov 26, 2007, 01:39 PM

I personally think AMD deserves what has happend to them .. While they were up they didnt think they will ever go down so they didnt prepare. As the saying goes in times of peace prepare for war. They were thinking that Intel has gone under and will never recover so insted of makeing some major improovements they just set on their ass and waited to see Intels puny attempts of recovering .. well gues what .. those attempts werent as puny as they figured. Intel smashed them with one strike.
Also ATI got the bad side out of this .. as i remember at one time ATI was leading the GFX race but since they sold to AMD they went under as well. Think about it. ATI was pretty much leading with X1k not by too much but they were leading and then AMD got their hands on ATI and with the next release X2k ATI went under.
All this should be a lesson to them to plan for the future .. the lesson nVidia and Intel have already learned.

Anyway thats just my opinion im sure some would disagree

cozumel · Nov 26, 2007, 02:58 PM

I think it's just the natural ebb and flow. The ATI (AMD) is not so bad compared to NVidia depending on what you will be using it for. Indeed, gaming aside, the ATI can equal or outperform the NVidia..

Anyhow, AMD are currently working on a multiple-core R700 GPU with maybe 8 cores on a single chip. Maybe this will be a fresh challenge NVidia.....

procupine14 · Nov 26, 2007, 03:22 PM

yeah they need something to level the playing field with at least one rival company....I have always found it amazing that only two companies are still in the GPU industry and two in the CPU industry. It just kind of amazes me to know that all the money spent on computers main working parts comes from two companies lol

Nov 25, 2007, 08:33 AM	#1
procupine14 Why is it Beeping!?!?! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA, Missouri Posts: 1,400 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	ok now the new stuff anyone got any good things on the phenom core seeing as it is out now? im kinda curious __________________ HTPC/file server: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom x4 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 800 (2x2GB) - 1TB WD Black - 4 x 1TB Hitachi DeskStar in RAID 5 - ATi TV Wonder Digital Cable Tuner - HIS Raedon 4850 512MB - ASRock N68C-S UCC mobo - OCZ ModExtreme Pro 500W PSU GF's Gaming PC: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 1066 - 500GB Western Digital GP - HIS Raedon 5770 1GB - ASUS M3A78-EM - Zalman 650W PSU Media Streamer: Win 7 Pro 64-bit - AMD Athlon x2 3200+ - 4GB SuperTalent DDR2 800 - 250GB SeaGate Barracuda - MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 - ASUS Raedon 5450 SILENT - FSP group 250W PSU

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kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,018 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	there isnt too much im afraid..... clock for clock the old Q6600 beats the majority of them. the 90nm X2s do better than them in certain dual core tests and gaming...... unless you are looking at it for the quad graphics, i see nothing for it. __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Nov 25, 2007, 08:40 AM	Thread Starter #3
procupine14 Why is it Beeping!?!?! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA, Missouri Posts: 1,400 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	thats what i was thinking.....i saw one for sale on newegg and thought id look around at some research but i didn't find much __________________ HTPC/file server: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom x4 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 800 (2x2GB) - 1TB WD Black - 4 x 1TB Hitachi DeskStar in RAID 5 - ATi TV Wonder Digital Cable Tuner - HIS Raedon 4850 512MB - ASRock N68C-S UCC mobo - OCZ ModExtreme Pro 500W PSU GF's Gaming PC: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 1066 - 500GB Western Digital GP - HIS Raedon 5770 1GB - ASUS M3A78-EM - Zalman 650W PSU Media Streamer: Win 7 Pro 64-bit - AMD Athlon x2 3200+ - 4GB SuperTalent DDR2 800 - 250GB SeaGate Barracuda - MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 - ASUS Raedon 5450 SILENT - FSP group 250W PSU

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kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,018 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	yorkfield is coming in the same exact price-point soon and that thing REALLY spanks Phenom's ass..... better in every major area really, better throttling better OCing less power wider platform (P35, X38, DDR2, DDR3, CrossfireX with certain PCI-E 2.0 boards. SSE4 instruction set 45nm w High-k Metal-Gate technology i hope they can get SOMETHING to get them up in the game..... their failing even in the budget section..... i think in everyday tasks, Phenom does a bit better.... but thats just my optimistic thinking going. __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Nov 25, 2007, 08:50 AM	Thread Starter #5
procupine14 Why is it Beeping!?!?! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA, Missouri Posts: 1,400 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	well......at this point i've pretty much lost hope on AMD and just kind waiting around for good pricing to get me a solid upgrade probably at the end of this year.....but i kinda still want AMD to pull something out of thin air to get some price control on intel......you know.......drop some $$$ off of the intel chips __________________ HTPC/file server: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom x4 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 800 (2x2GB) - 1TB WD Black - 4 x 1TB Hitachi DeskStar in RAID 5 - ATi TV Wonder Digital Cable Tuner - HIS Raedon 4850 512MB - ASRock N68C-S UCC mobo - OCZ ModExtreme Pro 500W PSU GF's Gaming PC: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 1066 - 500GB Western Digital GP - HIS Raedon 5770 1GB - ASUS M3A78-EM - Zalman 650W PSU Media Streamer: Win 7 Pro 64-bit - AMD Athlon x2 3200+ - 4GB SuperTalent DDR2 800 - 250GB SeaGate Barracuda - MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 - ASUS Raedon 5450 SILENT - FSP group 250W PSU

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kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,018 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	if only AMD's technology fabrication and budget was on par with Intel's and Nvidia's..... then we got some fire....... Intel and AMD equivalent rigs arent too different in price from each other. both got quads, both got DDR2 1066, both got PCI-E 2.0, both got the same TDP.... I suggest buying an X48 board and RAM and get Yorkfield with dual 3870 X2 cards..... you get some massive power,,,, im also wondering what nVidia is bringing to the table with 780i/790i.... the high end successor to G92 __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

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Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Honestly w/ the speeds they're binning I wouldn't even think about one until next year. Last edited by Necrosis; Nov 25, 2007 at 09:40 PM.

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cozumel I'm dangerous but cute... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Under the waves... Posts: 3,577 Rep Power: 60 System Specs	AMD are just way behind bringing out their quad core and they're all clocked slower. I reckon for now it's up to AMD to try and be competitive with pricing so that you can get the best bang for buck deal. Also good for all of us if they are competitively priced as it keeps Intel prices down too. __________________ Don't worry about money - Be a beach bum! Scuba Rocks

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procupine14 Why is it Beeping!?!?! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA, Missouri Posts: 1,400 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	yeah.....thats my biggest concern.....if AMD falls too far behind Intel's prices will become outrageously high and there won't be anything to limit them nor will there be another company making chips __________________ HTPC/file server: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom x4 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 800 (2x2GB) - 1TB WD Black - 4 x 1TB Hitachi DeskStar in RAID 5 - ATi TV Wonder Digital Cable Tuner - HIS Raedon 4850 512MB - ASRock N68C-S UCC mobo - OCZ ModExtreme Pro 500W PSU GF's Gaming PC: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 1066 - 500GB Western Digital GP - HIS Raedon 5770 1GB - ASUS M3A78-EM - Zalman 650W PSU Media Streamer: Win 7 Pro 64-bit - AMD Athlon x2 3200+ - 4GB SuperTalent DDR2 800 - 250GB SeaGate Barracuda - MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 - ASUS Raedon 5450 SILENT - FSP group 250W PSU

Nov 25, 2007, 03:16 PM	#11
cozumel I'm dangerous but cute... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Under the waves... Posts: 3,577 Rep Power: 60 System Specs	Ain't nothin' worse for the consumer than having a marketplace with only one vendor in town. Need AMD to be strong in both the CPUs and GFX markets. It's so nice to have choice. Similar thing as what happened in the Audio market when Creative were number one for so long then came Auzentech to spice it up and hopefully will provide Creative with impetus to raise their game in the future. __________________ Don't worry about money - Be a beach bum! Scuba Rocks

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ChaosMinionX USB 3 dot oh Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,911 Rep Power: 47 System Specs	Its not looking at leaving the 300-500$ mainstream pricepoint, extremes will always be like a grand, and Nehalem is right around the corner, and AMD isnt producing anything, phenom is a joke and their "monolithic" quadcore they were touting around for months turned out to be slower than Intels lowest quad and it beat AMDs highest. __________________ ::Heatware:: How you can help DriverHeaven by using Digg!

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procupine14 Why is it Beeping!?!?! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA, Missouri Posts: 1,400 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	but hey what better way to get back into the hardcore hardware industry like teaming up with the other side to get your hand in the proverbial "cookie jar" __________________ HTPC/file server: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom x4 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 800 (2x2GB) - 1TB WD Black - 4 x 1TB Hitachi DeskStar in RAID 5 - ATi TV Wonder Digital Cable Tuner - HIS Raedon 4850 512MB - ASRock N68C-S UCC mobo - OCZ ModExtreme Pro 500W PSU GF's Gaming PC: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 1066 - 500GB Western Digital GP - HIS Raedon 5770 1GB - ASUS M3A78-EM - Zalman 650W PSU Media Streamer: Win 7 Pro 64-bit - AMD Athlon x2 3200+ - 4GB SuperTalent DDR2 800 - 250GB SeaGate Barracuda - MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 - ASUS Raedon 5450 SILENT - FSP group 250W PSU

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kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,018 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	lol, 300 isnt alot..... even i can get that in a few weeks of saving.... __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Nov 26, 2007, 12:14 AM	#23
cozumel I'm dangerous but cute... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Under the waves... Posts: 3,577 Rep Power: 60 System Specs	But $300 can be a lot when you've got to put food on the table, pay the bills, mortgage, clothes for the kids etc etc etc. It all depends on what your disposable income and outgoings are and where your priorities lie. __________________ Don't worry about money - Be a beach bum! Scuba Rocks

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Nov 26, 2007, 01:39 PM	#28
retard DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 60 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I personally think AMD deserves what has happend to them .. While they were up they didnt think they will ever go down so they didnt prepare. As the saying goes in times of peace prepare for war. They were thinking that Intel has gone under and will never recover so insted of makeing some major improovements they just set on their ass and waited to see Intels puny attempts of recovering .. well gues what .. those attempts werent as puny as they figured. Intel smashed them with one strike. Also ATI got the bad side out of this .. as i remember at one time ATI was leading the GFX race but since they sold to AMD they went under as well. Think about it. ATI was pretty much leading with X1k not by too much but they were leading and then AMD got their hands on ATI and with the next release X2k ATI went under. All this should be a lesson to them to plan for the future .. the lesson nVidia and Intel have already learned. Anyway thats just my opinion im sure some would disagree

Nov 26, 2007, 02:58 PM	#29
cozumel I'm dangerous but cute... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Under the waves... Posts: 3,577 Rep Power: 60 System Specs	I think it's just the natural ebb and flow. The ATI (AMD) is not so bad compared to NVidia depending on what you will be using it for. Indeed, gaming aside, the ATI can equal or outperform the NVidia.. Anyhow, AMD are currently working on a multiple-core R700 GPU with maybe 8 cores on a single chip. Maybe this will be a fresh challenge NVidia..... __________________ Don't worry about money - Be a beach bum! Scuba Rocks

Nov 26, 2007, 03:22 PM	Thread Starter #30
procupine14 Why is it Beeping!?!?! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA, Missouri Posts: 1,400 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	yeah they need something to level the playing field with at least one rival company....I have always found it amazing that only two companies are still in the GPU industry and two in the CPU industry. It just kind of amazes me to know that all the money spent on computers main working parts comes from two companies lol __________________ HTPC/file server: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom x4 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 800 (2x2GB) - 1TB WD Black - 4 x 1TB Hitachi DeskStar in RAID 5 - ATi TV Wonder Digital Cable Tuner - HIS Raedon 4850 512MB - ASRock N68C-S UCC mobo - OCZ ModExtreme Pro 500W PSU GF's Gaming PC: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 1066 - 500GB Western Digital GP - HIS Raedon 5770 1GB - ASUS M3A78-EM - Zalman 650W PSU Media Streamer: Win 7 Pro 64-bit - AMD Athlon x2 3200+ - 4GB SuperTalent DDR2 800 - 250GB SeaGate Barracuda - MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 - ASUS Raedon 5450 SILENT - FSP group 250W PSU