kris23

ok mans and womans....

as ive been not as active on the forums...... ive been tinkering with my system.....

i found one of my sets of RAM was baaad getting over 3000 errors in Memtest is a second then crashing..... before that it was just BSODing the hell out of my system until i had to reformat just to fix what seemed to be corrupted files.....

then i fear that my OTHER set is bad as well....... while not nearly as bad, can't last 11 seconds in Orthos Prime but can run Memtest for over 8 hours at 1200mhz CAS 5-5-5-15 2T

then AGAIN..... these monstrosities can run DDR2 800 all the way to 3-3-3-3 1T/2T, stable with orthos and Memtest (ASUS BIOS shows 1T but CPU-Z shows 2T but system feels faster in 1T than 2T, dunno what to believe......)


yup.... waaaa.....

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cozumel

SH** man. (sorry to hear that) It's RMA time.

Also new rule on hardware following a precedent set by Mikehud while you were away testing. You have to get married if you post a problem now...

(see Mikehud thread below for more info)

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kris23

im to young for that man..... lol

also if any of you guys need the particulars on my setup:

CPU: e6550 @ 500x7 @1.5v
RAM: Trancend D9GMH @ DDR2 1200 CAS 5-5-5-15 2T @ 2.2v
mobo: NB @ 1.49v

thats really all i touched so far.....

CPU is ice cold under Scythe Ninja Copper man... no fan

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cozumel

It could be that you need to up the voltage to the memory controller as well as the memory itself seeing as you are using all four slots.

Edit: I thought there was still one US state where you could marry when aged 15...

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kris23

maybe..... but im currently only using 2 slots right now, other sets in a box to be shipped....

i think i can but i just dont wanna get married man.....

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PangingJr

might be nothing wrong with memory modules, in order to run DDR-1200MHz with some certain hardware sometimes you have to manually set memory timing, depending on the configuration of motherboard's chipset and memory module itself, the timings can either be to short or too long.
with auto subtiming you may able to boot, you may or may not get Windows stable or having it stable enough to pass a system stable and stress tests.

also i like to suggest you check your overclock and check all the voltages settings again,
you may want to try running OCCT program to check a rippled voltage results, your memory modules can get a physical damage caused by too much ripple voltage supply.
run the OCCT 30 mins test and check the result, you should pass this test first. and then continue the system stable test with Orthos, Prime95, OCCT for a longer test time to make sure you get an enough stable system and Windows.

PangingJr

this specific memory kit (G.Skill 8500HK) and motherboard (P35-DS4 rev1.0 F11) requires the DIMM to have 2.35V for DDR2-1200MHz (your hardware may need less than this, so don't blindly use 2.35V)

kris23

whats OCCT?

also while im at it, can someone who knows the Maximus Formula BIOS show me around? this thing has more settings than i have ever seen....

my sticks are supposedly binned to run at 1200mhz @ 2.2v so i'd rather not go above that if i dont need to....

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cozumel

OCCT

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PangingJr

kris23, DDR2-1200 is an overclocked RAM.
the specific memory kit has a factory tested and rated to be a DDR2-1200MHz at 2.2V, but this does not mean you will always able to run the DDR2 memory kit(s) at 1200MHz on every motherboards, not to mention running it with an auto subtiming settings.

for OCCT program google "OCCT Perestroïka"

kris23

i have all memory options set manually. i set it to 5-5-5-15 at 2.2v and yes i know that it is factory OCed RAM, the JEDEC specs for DDR2 is still DDR2 800.

i am just trying to figure out whether or not the set is bad, it just came back from 8 hours of CPU and RAM testing at 3-3-3-3 on Orthos. no errors

just wondering if it could simply be some kind of motherboard setting thats probably too low for stability.

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PangingJr

Wow, so your memory kit can do DDR2-1200MHz at timing 3-3-3-3?

cozumel

3-3-3 at DDR2 1200, that would be dreaming lol. I think Kris has been orthos testing at DDR2 800 3-3-3 and stable and not at 1200

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PangingJr

well, in that case, i suggest you use the memory kit at CAS5 or CAS4 at the most and keep the voltage at 2.2V as it's spec'ed to work and it should last long.
if you try to push it as high as DDR2-900MHz or so at 3-3-3-3 the RAM might just died after a lot of memtesting or may be in a day.

anyways, i'm sure that Asus, Gigabyte and DFI P35/X38 based boards shouldn't be a problem running DDR2 at 1200MHz (especially the memory modules have already spec'ed for them to work). it is just not easy like you might thought. try adding some more volts to the chipset, also try adding and then adjusting the sub-timing value's in BIOS directly.

CDsDontBurn

there's confusion here. kris23 can run his RAM at 800Mhz speed using 3-3-3-3 1T @ 2.2v OR 1200Mhz speed using 5-5-5-15 2T @ 2.2v

he's saying that he can run 800Mhz 3-3-3-3 1T @ 2.2v stable no problem, but he gets BSODs and memory crashes at 1200Mhz 5-5-5-15 2T @ 2.2v

imo, it's a MoBo memory controller issue.

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PangingJr

you can say that. but i think it's more like he does not know yet on how to set up his system to use the memory modules at DDR2-1200MHz more than the problem with any hardware itself.

cozumel

....which is where I piped in and suggested to increase MCH voltage but I was thinking he was using all four sticks when testing but in fact Kris is testing with just two sticks. Maybe boosting the MCH voltage in little steps anyhow is worth trying for stable 1200 overclock even though is only for two sticks?

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PangingJr

well what do you think of that, i mean if that were to happen to you.
if my motherboard claims to support running DDR2-1200MHz and i already bought a couple of PC2-9600 (DDR2-1200) RAM kits, i think i sure want to see whether or not my hardware can stand up to work like they claims they do.

kris23

interesting...... i just came home from school and decided to fire the setup back up at 3.5GHz and DDR2 1200mhz CAS 5..... all yesterday i was running 2.8GHz and DDR2 800 CAS 3

and to my surprise, no errors! OCCT shows it 100% stable, it already beat its old 11 second Orthos record and it already had been Memtested 100% passed no errors.

i dunno but i think having the setup running on 800mhz 3-3-3-3 probably burned it in enough for stability at 1200mhz. and here i didnt believe in HW Burn-in........

now i just need to run real apps and tasks to make sure i wont go losing my work.....

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PangingJr

so it's all work now?
you aren't easily fooled, you are alright kris23.

could you test running at CAS4-4-4 to see how far you can go when using 2.2V, on both 2x1GB and 4x1GB?

kris23

well i can do that with 2x1GB sticks but not 4x1GB ive already returned the other ones.

one of those sticks was horrible, and i could tell that especially since it failed miserably even at DDR2 800 CAS 5 while only running 2 sticks in dual channel.

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PangingJr

see if you can get the memory kit at 4-4-4-12 DDR2-1066MHz 2.2V under your board and post some pics, and 2x1GB is fine. you could run it 5:6 at 444 MHz FSB.
Thanks.

kris23

for some reason, the board has BIOS issues with DDR2 1066mhz (1067 as reported by ASUS) at 2.2v. i can run DDR2 1200 (1201 in BIOS) at 2.2v 100% stable

but in order to just even be able to get into windows, i need to either have 2.18v or 2.22v not only 2.2v, strange.....

2.18v fails orthos so im going to test 2.22v

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PangingJr

2.22V is okay kris23. i don't want to see DDR2-1200 CAS5 results, i think the memory kit should run DDR2-1200 CAS5 fine on your board. however, if you can run it at 4-4-4-12 2.22V (or at any voltage) and at speed of DDR2-1200 settings then i like to see this result. otherwise, i like to know how far the kit can go at CAS4-4-4-12 settings and 2.2V (2.22V).

kris23

DDR2 1066mhz @ 2.22v Orthos stable 6 minutes 20 seconds and counting, 2.18v cannot run Orthos for more than 2 minutes .

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PangingJr

don't use the low volt one. 2.22V is best and keep it at this setting.

kris23

current test, failed. Orthos 7 minutes 1 second..... ehh.

im repeating the test with a slightly upped NB voltage, everything is actively cooled. nothing is approaching 50C

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kris23

upped NB seems running well. the RAM is at 1066 @ 2.22v CAS4. 13 minutes and counting

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PangingJr

take your time with it, the RAM is with you so keep playing with it (just don't push it too far), so that if you like to change your overclock setting quite often then you won't have to run the memtesting on the settings any more.
at CAS4-4-4-12 DDR2-1066-1100-1110 will be more than good enough, especially, for the price you paid for the RAM.

kris23

well its been almost an hour and this stuff is rock solid man.......

this stuff...... was probably the best buy i have ever made.... 112 bucks a set for this kind of binning is awesome!

i noticed the NB seems to be a much bigger problem than the RAM, ive fed so many volts into it now, its already in the yellow of my board warnings...

i think im just gonna keep my usual settings until i complete the cooling aspect of my system. im gonna get a handful of those Scythe 120CFM and 133CFM fans and cool my hardware with those. not to mention reapply thermal paste to everything.....

im gonna buy a tube of TX-2 or two and apply that to every heatsink in the case......

until my warranty is up at newegg, im gonna keep stress testing this baby until it can keep up with me

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