I'm Very Confused

drwho · Mar 22, 2008, 10:47 PM

I've just spent the afternoon working on my daughter's computer switching out the old PSU, putting in a new one and putting another motherboard CPU and memory which I know to be good and the same thing is happening that happened with here old system. After plugging all the connections in and trying to boot up the new system nothing happens. Is it possible for the power switch on the case to go bad, thats all I can think of at the moment. My daughter's computer case is an Antec LanBoy. Any help would really be appreciated.

BlueMak · Mar 22, 2008, 10:56 PM

Or the cable?

drwho · Mar 22, 2008, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueMak

Or the cable?

Thanks for taking the time to answer my question, BlueMak. I'm guessing that means getting another case as replacement, huh.

CDsDontBurn · Mar 22, 2008, 11:12 PM

use the pen trick. if you get a ball point pen and put it upto the power switch headers on the MoBo, you'll be able to find out if it's a case issue or not.

don't keep it put upto the headers for too long though. just a split second is all you need to do this.

**temeteus82** · Mar 22, 2008, 11:32 PM

Yeah you need to short the mobo's power button connectors to see if the system works. If not then there is some wiring issue with the case...

drwho · Mar 22, 2008, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

use the pen trick. if you get a ball point pen and put it upto the power switch headers on the MoBo, you'll be able to find out if it's a case issue or not.

don't keep it put upto the headers for too long though. just a split second is all you need to do this.

Thanks for the suggestion, CDsDontBurn. Its the cable, the motherboard powered right up as soon as I touched the power switch pins with the pen. My daughters all excited now she gets a new case.

**temeteus82** · Mar 22, 2008, 11:43 PM

Get Antec P182 Gunmetal

CDsDontBurn · Mar 23, 2008, 02:03 AM

w00t, glad it worked out for you

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will she get new opticals as well to match the case as well

drwho · Mar 23, 2008, 04:19 AM

Guys, I'm feeling like a complete dummy at the moment. My daughter and I went out bought a new case (Cooler Master Elite 330) and I've spent the last few hours moving her hardware from the old case to the new one. Got all the connections together and plugged in power line to PSU, mouse, video card and keyboard with the intent of installing the OS. I've pushed the power button on the new case and the fans inside spin for a second and then stop. Restting the power button on the PSU allows me to restart the fans for a second more. What the H am I doing wrong. I can't figure this out. Please help. Any suggestions will be welcome.

I should add that I'm using a 680i motherboard, e6700 processor, 2 gigs of G.Skill DDR2 800 and a new Ultra 500w PSU. I'm wondering if the PSU isn't enough wattage, is that the case?

CDsDontBurn · Mar 23, 2008, 05:04 AM

make sure that the board is not grounding out, as that is what this sounds like. start by unplugging your devices from the PSU and power up your machine after each deivce has been unplugged. if that doesn't work, then pull out the board out of the case. be sure that you have installed the brass standoffs in the proper locations, or that you do not have one installed in the wrong location. try that and tell us what happens

**kris23** · Mar 23, 2008, 05:11 AM

thats one souped up machine for your daughter............

wheres ur GPU?

try assembling everything on a wood floor just to make sure nothing is shorting out or damaged.

CDsDontBurn · Mar 23, 2008, 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kris23

try assembling everything on a wood floor just to make sure nothing is shorting out or damaged.

dude, you're just re-stating what i said in my last post

PangingJr · Mar 23, 2008, 05:47 AM

with a different words, though

drwho · Mar 23, 2008, 05:58 AM

Well, its gettin kinda late and I'm really not crazy about lookin at this computer anymore tonight. You guys don't think that the PSU is too small or possibly it could be defective. I thought about the possibility of the computer grounding out and did check a few things, I will investigate more closely tomorrow. This day has really been a pain in the ^^$$^^&%^^%.

**kris23** · Mar 23, 2008, 05:59 AM

lol

BlueMak · Mar 23, 2008, 08:31 AM

Do you use a different power/psu cable?

Zardon · Mar 23, 2008, 10:38 AM

sounds like a short, you need to take the motherboard out and check the case mounting screws are all in the right places and nothing raw is touching the mobo PCB.

Al_Vampyre · Mar 23, 2008, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drwho

Well, its gettin kinda late and I'm really not crazy about lookin at this computer anymore tonight. You guys don't think that the PSU is too small or possibly it could be defective. I thought about the possibility of the computer grounding out and did check a few things, I will investigate more closely tomorrow. This day has really been a pain in the ^^$$^^&%^^%.

500W should be fine, I think the others have hit the nail on the head, it suonds like a grounding issue to me too

drwho · Mar 23, 2008, 03:39 PM

I've got the motherboard out of the case again. All the standoff are where they are supposed to be. Because my daughter is in college I did not buys a high end graphics card. It is a ATI x300se 128 MB. I'm pretty sure its a PCI-e card as it was on an fatality aa8xe before. I'm still stumped as to why it won't start. Time to test again out of the case I guess. One other question. I bought a Thermaltake Cooler could it be drawing too much juice from the motherboard and causing the problem. I've heard of that happening before.

**temeteus82** · Mar 23, 2008, 03:46 PM

That cooler is ok. It's not the cause of this.

Do like this get the mobo and PSU out of the case and put the mobo over it's box connect PSU to the mobo, use the 8-pin 12V if the mobo has and the PSU has the connectors. And then plug the drivers and gfx card etc... When you are done short the power button switch and see if it boots....

drwho · Mar 23, 2008, 04:11 PM

Ok, I pulled the motherboard out of the case along with the PSU and connected them on the floor and using a pen touched the power switch pins. The board started right up. The standoff are all in the right places.

**temeteus82** · Mar 23, 2008, 04:15 PM

Good. Now make sure that the all risers are in correctly placed in the case and make sure there aren't any extra risers on the case installed. And then put it all together...

drwho · Mar 23, 2008, 04:49 PM

Progress report. Put the motherboard and the PSU back in the case reconnected the 24-pin and the 8-pin and and the motherboard powered up again. Started connecting the parts one at a time. With GPU and DVD/r connected the computer still powered up. When I went to connect the Sata drives the computer won't boot. Thats the point I'm at right now.

drwho · Mar 23, 2008, 05:01 PM

Well its seems I've found the problem the problem. I've got two sata drives in the computer, a 120 gig and an 80 gig. With the 120 connected seperately the computer won't boot. Connected to the 80 gig the computer booted , but then smoke started coming from underneath the hard drive. Is that where the ground is coming from. It sure seems like it.

**temeteus82** · Mar 23, 2008, 05:26 PM

Take a look the drivers do you see any damage. Sounds like you need to get two hard drives too...

CDsDontBurn · Mar 23, 2008, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drwho

Well its seems I've found the problem the problem. I've got two sata drives in the computer, a 120 gig and an 80 gig. With the 120 connected seperately the computer won't boot. Connected to the 80 gig the computer booted , but then smoke started coming from underneath the hard drive. Is that where the ground is coming from. It sure seems like it.

if you saw/smelled smoke coming from the machine, then try and find a burn mark. make sure where it's coming from, the motherboard or the HDD. although, it does sound like it's coming from the HDD though.

Matth · Mar 23, 2008, 05:49 PM

Reminds me of the last computer that smoked, the +5v wire had broken free from the case speaker and shorted - WOOF!

A friend has a case power button fail, and since the reset button was quite large and finger pressable, I just plugged that in as the power button - the system was getting on a bit.

Smoked drive - other than for some Quantum fireballs that smoked one of the chips of their own accord, I'd guess that a mounting error led to board contact, or maybe one of the power connectors is mis-wired.

drwho · Mar 23, 2008, 08:42 PM

I'm up and running on my daughter's computer and have got windows loaded and all the updates done including the new SP1 for vista. I'm using the onboard sound on the 680i and the sound keeps fading in and out. What can I do to fix this? My daughter is a junior in college and not having the sound working correctly will never do for her. I've tried the drivers from eVGA website and and there fading in out also.

Guys, I just want to say thanks for all your help and suggestions, I truly appreciate it. Have a great Easter, everyone.

BlueMak · Mar 23, 2008, 10:14 PM

The sound keeps fading in and out even when not playing anything? For example if you turn the volume way up and the speakers too, you can feel the volume changing?
Is it just music files?
More details please.

CDsDontBurn · Mar 23, 2008, 11:19 PM

yes, more details please on the motherboard.

Mar 22, 2008, 10:47 PM	#1
drwho HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Carol Stream, IL Posts: 572 Rep Power: 48 System Specs	I'm Very Confused I've just spent the afternoon working on my daughter's computer switching out the old PSU, putting in a new one and putting another motherboard CPU and memory which I know to be good and the same thing is happening that happened with here old system. After plugging all the connections in and trying to boot up the new system nothing happens. Is it possible for the power switch on the case to go bad, thats all I can think of at the moment. My daughter's computer case is an Antec LanBoy. Any help would really be appreciated. __________________

Mar 22, 2008, 10:56 PM	#2
BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,248 Rep Power: 326 System Specs	Or the cable? __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Mar 22, 2008, 11:12 PM	#4
CDsDontBurn 127.0.0.1 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,458 Rep Power: 202 System Specs	use the pen trick. if you get a ball point pen and put it upto the power switch headers on the MoBo, you'll be able to find out if it's a case issue or not. don't keep it put upto the headers for too long though. just a split second is all you need to do this. __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Mar 23, 2008, 02:03 AM	#8
CDsDontBurn 127.0.0.1 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,458 Rep Power: 202 System Specs	w00t, glad it worked out for you . will she get new opticals as well to match the case as well __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Mar 23, 2008, 04:19 AM	Thread Starter #9
drwho HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Carol Stream, IL Posts: 572 Rep Power: 48 System Specs	Guys, I'm feeling like a complete dummy at the moment. My daughter and I went out bought a new case (Cooler Master Elite 330) and I've spent the last few hours moving her hardware from the old case to the new one. Got all the connections together and plugged in power line to PSU, mouse, video card and keyboard with the intent of installing the OS. I've pushed the power button on the new case and the fans inside spin for a second and then stop. Restting the power button on the PSU allows me to restart the fans for a second more. What the H am I doing wrong. I can't figure this out. Please help. Any suggestions will be welcome. I should add that I'm using a 680i motherboard, e6700 processor, 2 gigs of G.Skill DDR2 800 and a new Ultra 500w PSU. I'm wondering if the PSU isn't enough wattage, is that the case? __________________ Last edited by drwho; Mar 23, 2008 at 04:25 AM.

Mar 23, 2008, 05:04 AM	#10
CDsDontBurn 127.0.0.1 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,458 Rep Power: 202 System Specs	make sure that the board is not grounding out, as that is what this sounds like. start by unplugging your devices from the PSU and power up your machine after each deivce has been unplugged. if that doesn't work, then pull out the board out of the case. be sure that you have installed the brass standoffs in the proper locations, or that you do not have one installed in the wrong location. try that and tell us what happens __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Mar 23, 2008, 05:11 AM	#11
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	thats one souped up machine for your daughter............ wheres ur GPU? try assembling everything on a wood floor just to make sure nothing is shorting out or damaged. __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Mar 23, 2008, 05:47 AM	#13
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 69	with a different words, though

Mar 23, 2008, 05:58 AM	Thread Starter #14
drwho HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Carol Stream, IL Posts: 572 Rep Power: 48 System Specs	Well, its gettin kinda late and I'm really not crazy about lookin at this computer anymore tonight. You guys don't think that the PSU is too small or possibly it could be defective. I thought about the possibility of the computer grounding out and did check a few things, I will investigate more closely tomorrow. This day has really been a pain in the ^^$$^^&%^^%. __________________

Mar 23, 2008, 05:59 AM	#15
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	lol __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Mar 23, 2008, 08:31 AM	#16
BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,248 Rep Power: 326 System Specs	Do you use a different power/psu cable? __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Mar 23, 2008, 10:38 AM	#17
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 177	sounds like a short, you need to take the motherboard out and check the case mounting screws are all in the right places and nothing raw is touching the mobo PCB.

Mar 23, 2008, 03:39 PM	Thread Starter #19
drwho HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Carol Stream, IL Posts: 572 Rep Power: 48 System Specs	I've got the motherboard out of the case again. All the standoff are where they are supposed to be. Because my daughter is in college I did not buys a high end graphics card. It is a ATI x300se 128 MB. I'm pretty sure its a PCI-e card as it was on an fatality aa8xe before. I'm still stumped as to why it won't start. Time to test again out of the case I guess. One other question. I bought a Thermaltake Cooler could it be drawing too much juice from the motherboard and causing the problem. I've heard of that happening before. __________________

Mar 23, 2008, 04:11 PM	Thread Starter #21
drwho HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Carol Stream, IL Posts: 572 Rep Power: 48 System Specs	Ok, I pulled the motherboard out of the case along with the PSU and connected them on the floor and using a pen touched the power switch pins. The board started right up. The standoff are all in the right places. __________________

Mar 23, 2008, 04:49 PM	Thread Starter #23
drwho HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Carol Stream, IL Posts: 572 Rep Power: 48 System Specs	Progress report. Put the motherboard and the PSU back in the case reconnected the 24-pin and the 8-pin and and the motherboard powered up again. Started connecting the parts one at a time. With GPU and DVD/r connected the computer still powered up. When I went to connect the Sata drives the computer won't boot. Thats the point I'm at right now. __________________

Mar 23, 2008, 05:01 PM	Thread Starter #24
drwho HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Carol Stream, IL Posts: 572 Rep Power: 48 System Specs	Well its seems I've found the problem the problem. I've got two sata drives in the computer, a 120 gig and an 80 gig. With the 120 connected seperately the computer won't boot. Connected to the 80 gig the computer booted , but then smoke started coming from underneath the hard drive. Is that where the ground is coming from. It sure seems like it. __________________

Mar 23, 2008, 05:49 PM	#27
Matth Flash Banner Hater Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,410 Rep Power: 91 System Specs	Reminds me of the last computer that smoked, the +5v wire had broken free from the case speaker and shorted - WOOF! A friend has a case power button fail, and since the reset button was quite large and finger pressable, I just plugged that in as the power button - the system was getting on a bit. Smoked drive - other than for some Quantum fireballs that smoked one of the chips of their own accord, I'd guess that a mounting error led to board contact, or maybe one of the power connectors is mis-wired. __________________ Mary had a little lamb, Her father shot it dead Now Mary takes her lamb to school, Between two crusts of bread

Mar 23, 2008, 08:42 PM	Thread Starter #28
drwho HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Carol Stream, IL Posts: 572 Rep Power: 48 System Specs	I'm up and running on my daughter's computer and have got windows loaded and all the updates done including the new SP1 for vista. I'm using the onboard sound on the 680i and the sound keeps fading in and out. What can I do to fix this? My daughter is a junior in college and not having the sound working correctly will never do for her. I've tried the drivers from eVGA website and and there fading in out also. Guys, I just want to say thanks for all your help and suggestions, I truly appreciate it. Have a great Easter, everyone. __________________ Last edited by drwho; Mar 23, 2008 at 09:25 PM.

Mar 23, 2008, 10:14 PM	#29
BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,248 Rep Power: 326 System Specs	The sound keeps fading in and out even when not playing anything? For example if you turn the volume way up and the speakers too, you can feel the volume changing? Is it just music files? More details please. __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Mar 23, 2008, 11:19 PM	#30
CDsDontBurn 127.0.0.1 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,458 Rep Power: 202 System Specs	yes, more details please on the motherboard. __________________ Her First Day \| A year later