Need advice on my yet-to-buy PC

Shadow2k5 · Jun 2, 2008, 09:22 PM

Hello. I was searching through forums and looking for good budget PC (calculating from PLN to euro it will be like 443,31 EUR) and I want your advice will it be best PC that I will be avaible to buy for this money. And set is like these:

AMD Athlon 5600+ [103,19 EUR]
GIGABYTE GA-M56S-S3 (nForce 560) [57,50 EUR]
GEIL BLACK DRAGON 2x1GB PC800 (no link... sorry) [49,86 EUR]
GAINWARD GeForce 9600GT Golden Sample 512MB DDR3/256bit [141,08 EUR]
SeaSonic 430-S12 II (yet again... sorry no link. hope it will be good enough...) [83,29 EUR]

If you have any advices just please post it and I will check if they are in my budget range... Prices are different here in Poland than in rest of the europe :/

Regards
Shadow2k5

edit:
rest of comopnents including housing i will take from my current PC

procupine14 · Jun 2, 2008, 09:44 PM

it might be worth your time to check out the new AMD toliman line of tri-core processors....i hear that they are quite affordable and efficient

Shadow2k5 · Jun 2, 2008, 10:45 PM

I see at site of my local shop that cheapest Phenom 8450 x3 is for like 15 euro more expensive than this Athlon 5600+... but phenoms are for AM2+... would I have to search for motherboard for am2+ and if I would run x3 on this gigabyte would i feel much loose of power?

procupine14 · Jun 3, 2008, 02:01 PM

thats a very good question. I don't really know how much loss you would experience. The difference between the AM2 and Am2+ boards is simple.....The AM2 + boards had a faster hyper transport bus speed so like i said im not really sure. I do know that most likely with the current baord you have in the list you would want to update the BIOS as soon as you got it out of the box to make sure that the Phenom would work properly. As far as a performance hit goes im really not too sure. Especially with these since they are brand new.

Shadow2k5 · Jun 4, 2008, 02:05 PM

Well I've been looking at mobos for AM2+ and I've found Abit AN-68SD 11 euro more expensive than this gigabyte but that would make like 26 euro more and I don't know would I manage that much (I know I know... too low budget but what can I do when I'm just a 16 years old kid and don't have any incomes?) :/

ps. EUR - USD exchange rate is about 1,5459. so that makes about $686.72 for me to spend...

edit.
even if I would go with that x2 processor would it be good set for gaming? i've heard that old 9600GTs have problem with black screens crash... anybody knows how it is with newer cards?

procupine14 · Jun 4, 2008, 02:28 PM

true true i know where you are coming from on that. I say if you stick with the system you have in your original post its nice. Very similar to the system i have in my specs right now. My system does pretty well with all the lastest games and it should provide you with a decent gaming rig for a nice price

Shadow2k5 · Jun 4, 2008, 03:08 PM

I think I will do so but I will talk to my parents later maybe they will give me this 26 euro for this phenom+mobo... And I will also try hitting my local shop and ask them about any discounts but that will be when i will go to order parts

. Thank you procupine14 for help and advices

ps. nobody knows about that black screen issue in new 9600GTs??

Syndicate2083 · Jun 4, 2008, 03:47 PM

My friend is currently running a 9600 GT 512 mb from BFG and has had no BSoD's after using it for about 6 months. He is running it with vista 64 home premium, playing games ranging from Sins of a Solar Empire, Oblivion, Crysis. No aparent issues as of yet. He hasn't had any artifacts or degraded gameplay or strange blank screens or lockups. He originally had this in a system which was similar to your own only he was using an asus board and corsair ram.

It's performance is good for what you pay and the amount of stream proc's it has.

I have seen the threads about the 9600 GT but personally have not seen them manifest in my friends card or system. (I use an 8800 GT).

Hope that helps a bit.

Shadow2k5 · Jun 4, 2008, 03:56 PM

good to know that there is a chance to get card with no BSoD issue. and can you tell me will that pc be vista friendly or i will have to run on xp?

Syndicate2083 · Jun 4, 2008, 06:38 PM

You should be able to run it with no real problems. My friends system which is again pretty similar to your own runs it and games fine. If you can upgrade to 4g of ram in the future that would certainly help, but you shouldnt have major issues using Vista.

procupine14 · Jun 4, 2008, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow2k5

I think I will do so but I will talk to my parents later maybe they will give me this 26 euro for this phenom+mobo... And I will also try hitting my local shop and ask them about any discounts but that will be when i will go to order parts

. Thank you procupine14 for help and advices

ps. nobody knows about that black screen issue in new 9600GTs??

you are quite welcome. yeah my system that i have currently runs Vista fine. I soon will be making the switch on that rig to vista home permium x64 fairly soon here. Also, my graphics card is a little inferior to the one in your build so you should have no problems what so ever

but i have to agree that upgrading to 4GB of RAM in the future is definitely a good idea

Shadow2k5 · Jun 4, 2008, 08:58 PM

so first thing that i will do after i collect enough money when i will have new pc is another geil 2x1gb

and of course thx Syndicate2083 for your help too

Syndicate2083 · Jun 5, 2008, 02:08 PM

Anytime bro.

TheIceMan · Jun 7, 2008, 02:35 PM

maybe you can save some money by getting a ati 3870/3850

PCIe 512MB+ Preisvergleich bei Geizhals.at Deutschland (97-150€) 3870
PCIe 512MB+ Preisvergleich bei Geizhals.at Deutschland
(82-124€) 3850

Jun 2, 2008, 09:22 PM	#1
Shadow2k5 HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Szczytno, Poland Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	Need advice on my yet-to-buy PC Hello. I was searching through forums and looking for good budget PC (calculating from PLN to euro it will be like 443,31 EUR) and I want your advice will it be best PC that I will be avaible to buy for this money. And set is like these: AMD Athlon 5600+ [103,19 EUR] GIGABYTE GA-M56S-S3 (nForce 560) [57,50 EUR] GEIL BLACK DRAGON 2x1GB PC800 (no link... sorry) [49,86 EUR] GAINWARD GeForce 9600GT Golden Sample 512MB DDR3/256bit [141,08 EUR] SeaSonic 430-S12 II (yet again... sorry no link. hope it will be good enough...) [83,29 EUR] If you have any advices just please post it and I will check if they are in my budget range... Prices are different here in Poland than in rest of the europe :/ Regards Shadow2k5 edit: rest of comopnents including housing i will take from my current PC Last edited by Shadow2k5; Jun 2, 2008 at 09:32 PM.

Jun 2, 2008, 09:44 PM	#2
procupine14 Why is it Beeping!?!?! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA, Missouri Posts: 1,400 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	it might be worth your time to check out the new AMD toliman line of tri-core processors....i hear that they are quite affordable and efficient __________________ HTPC/file server: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom x4 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 800 (2x2GB) - 1TB WD Black - 4 x 1TB Hitachi DeskStar in RAID 5 - ATi TV Wonder Digital Cable Tuner - HIS Raedon 4850 512MB - ASRock N68C-S UCC mobo - OCZ ModExtreme Pro 500W PSU GF's Gaming PC: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 1066 - 500GB Western Digital GP - HIS Raedon 5770 1GB - ASUS M3A78-EM - Zalman 650W PSU Media Streamer: Win 7 Pro 64-bit - AMD Athlon x2 3200+ - 4GB SuperTalent DDR2 800 - 250GB SeaGate Barracuda - MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 - ASUS Raedon 5450 SILENT - FSP group 250W PSU

Jun 3, 2008, 02:01 PM	#4
procupine14 Why is it Beeping!?!?! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA, Missouri Posts: 1,400 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	thats a very good question. I don't really know how much loss you would experience. The difference between the AM2 and Am2+ boards is simple.....The AM2 + boards had a faster hyper transport bus speed so like i said im not really sure. I do know that most likely with the current baord you have in the list you would want to update the BIOS as soon as you got it out of the box to make sure that the Phenom would work properly. As far as a performance hit goes im really not too sure. Especially with these since they are brand new. __________________ HTPC/file server: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom x4 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 800 (2x2GB) - 1TB WD Black - 4 x 1TB Hitachi DeskStar in RAID 5 - ATi TV Wonder Digital Cable Tuner - HIS Raedon 4850 512MB - ASRock N68C-S UCC mobo - OCZ ModExtreme Pro 500W PSU GF's Gaming PC: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 1066 - 500GB Western Digital GP - HIS Raedon 5770 1GB - ASUS M3A78-EM - Zalman 650W PSU Media Streamer: Win 7 Pro 64-bit - AMD Athlon x2 3200+ - 4GB SuperTalent DDR2 800 - 250GB SeaGate Barracuda - MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 - ASUS Raedon 5450 SILENT - FSP group 250W PSU

Jun 4, 2008, 02:28 PM	#6
procupine14 Why is it Beeping!?!?! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA, Missouri Posts: 1,400 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	true true i know where you are coming from on that. I say if you stick with the system you have in your original post its nice. Very similar to the system i have in my specs right now. My system does pretty well with all the lastest games and it should provide you with a decent gaming rig for a nice price __________________ HTPC/file server: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom x4 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 800 (2x2GB) - 1TB WD Black - 4 x 1TB Hitachi DeskStar in RAID 5 - ATi TV Wonder Digital Cable Tuner - HIS Raedon 4850 512MB - ASRock N68C-S UCC mobo - OCZ ModExtreme Pro 500W PSU GF's Gaming PC: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 1066 - 500GB Western Digital GP - HIS Raedon 5770 1GB - ASUS M3A78-EM - Zalman 650W PSU Media Streamer: Win 7 Pro 64-bit - AMD Athlon x2 3200+ - 4GB SuperTalent DDR2 800 - 250GB SeaGate Barracuda - MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 - ASUS Raedon 5450 SILENT - FSP group 250W PSU

Jun 4, 2008, 03:47 PM	#8
Syndicate2083 HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Framingham, MA Posts: 228 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	My friend is currently running a 9600 GT 512 mb from BFG and has had no BSoD's after using it for about 6 months. He is running it with vista 64 home premium, playing games ranging from Sins of a Solar Empire, Oblivion, Crysis. No aparent issues as of yet. He hasn't had any artifacts or degraded gameplay or strange blank screens or lockups. He originally had this in a system which was similar to your own only he was using an asus board and corsair ram. It's performance is good for what you pay and the amount of stream proc's it has. I have seen the threads about the 9600 GT but personally have not seen them manifest in my friends card or system. (I use an 8800 GT). Hope that helps a bit. __________________ -Crash the silence for the sake of memory. Intrinsic Realities, Veteran-USN.

Jun 2, 2008, 10:45 PM	Thread Starter #3
Shadow2k5 HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Szczytno, Poland Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	I see at site of my local shop that cheapest Phenom 8450 x3 is for like 15 euro more expensive than this Athlon 5600+... but phenoms are for AM2+... would I have to search for motherboard for am2+ and if I would run x3 on this gigabyte would i feel much loose of power?

Jun 4, 2008, 02:05 PM	Thread Starter #5
Shadow2k5 HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Szczytno, Poland Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	Well I've been looking at mobos for AM2+ and I've found Abit AN-68SD 11 euro more expensive than this gigabyte but that would make like 26 euro more and I don't know would I manage that much (I know I know... too low budget but what can I do when I'm just a 16 years old kid and don't have any incomes?) :/ ps. EUR - USD exchange rate is about 1,5459. so that makes about $686.72 for me to spend... edit. even if I would go with that x2 processor would it be good set for gaming? i've heard that old 9600GTs have problem with black screens crash... anybody knows how it is with newer cards?

Jun 4, 2008, 03:08 PM	Thread Starter #7
Shadow2k5 HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Szczytno, Poland Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	I think I will do so but I will talk to my parents later maybe they will give me this 26 euro for this phenom+mobo... And I will also try hitting my local shop and ask them about any discounts but that will be when i will go to order parts . Thank you procupine14 for help and advices ps. nobody knows about that black screen issue in new 9600GTs??

Jun 4, 2008, 03:56 PM	Thread Starter #9
Shadow2k5 HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Szczytno, Poland Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	good to know that there is a chance to get card with no BSoD issue. and can you tell me will that pc be vista friendly or i will have to run on xp?

Jun 4, 2008, 06:38 PM	#10
Syndicate2083 HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Framingham, MA Posts: 228 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	You should be able to run it with no real problems. My friends system which is again pretty similar to your own runs it and games fine. If you can upgrade to 4g of ram in the future that would certainly help, but you shouldnt have major issues using Vista. __________________ -Crash the silence for the sake of memory. Intrinsic Realities, Veteran-USN.

Jun 4, 2008, 08:58 PM	Thread Starter #12
Shadow2k5 HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Szczytno, Poland Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	so first thing that i will do after i collect enough money when i will have new pc is another geil 2x1gb and of course thx Syndicate2083 for your help too

Jun 5, 2008, 02:08 PM	#13
Syndicate2083 HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Framingham, MA Posts: 228 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Anytime bro. __________________ -Crash the silence for the sake of memory. Intrinsic Realities, Veteran-USN.

Jun 7, 2008, 02:35 PM	#14
TheIceMan DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Germany / Bayern Posts: 31 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	maybe you can save some money by getting a ati 3870/3850 PCIe 512MB+ Preisvergleich bei Geizhals.at Deutschland (97-150€) 3870 PCIe 512MB+ Preisvergleich bei Geizhals.at Deutschland (82-124€) 3850