need to build a system suited for home surveilance .

**kris23** · Aug 11, 2008, 08:09 PM

hey guys.... well, since we moved to a new neighborhood, weve been running into tons of problems with our cars being broken into and stuff jacked.....

few weeks ago, my dad's ambulance was broken into, guess someone wanted drugs and looked in there....

and most recently, our pick-up truck had its muffler stolen...... the muffler man... most random part to steal ever...

well, i need to build a computer to record at least 8 cameras simultaneously and store the data for a long time so multiple drives are required and big ones at that....

does anyone know if a computer like this needs alot of RAM?

im thinking of using one of these DVR cards:

16 Camera-In-Put Capture Card with 480fps PCI Express + DSP Card + 16 Audio V8.12 Software - Retail Box by Geovision

so basically im thinking of getting a Quad Core Q6600 maybe, and a P45 board to use 6 or 8 drives...... 1TB drives.

do DVRs require special drives? i know Seagate has special drives for this kind of thing but since its a PC as well, i thought could use 7200.11s or ES.2s

ill probably use another stacker for this build and load the drives in there.

anybody got ideas?

OldBuzzard · Aug 11, 2008, 10:43 PM

Why re-invent the wheel?

You can get 2 of these, and looking at just the cost of the card you linked to, it would be cheaper.

Outdoor Surveillance: 4 Wireless Long-Range Weatherproof Low-Light Cameras w/ 250GB DVR

This system is wireless. If you can go with wired cameras, there are cheaper solutions available.

Also, with motion detection, you really don't need huge HDDs.

As for the muffler? They were most likely after the Catalytic Converter. Scrap prices for those are insane these days.

**kris23** · Aug 11, 2008, 11:29 PM

funny thing about the muffler, turns out that thing didnt pass the smog check anymore so it needed to be replaced ASAP so yea.... not really a loss

the thing about the system is that we need alot of HDD space because we want to do the best we can for 24/7 recording with the best quality possible. motion detection is good for inside the house and by the doors but outside by the sidewalk it isnt as good so the HDDs will be focused there. we dont have a big driveway so some of the cars got to be parked on the sidewalk sadly

im thinking of just reworking my own system to work with these things so we dont gotta get a new computer, i could use more RAM and mobo anyway.

Zardon · Aug 11, 2008, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kris23

anybody got ideas?

**kris23** · Aug 11, 2008, 11:49 PM

something that wont bark late at night and wake up the whole neighborhood......

lol

Zardon · Aug 11, 2008, 11:51 PM

sorry its after midnight and we are still writing the 4870 X2 article for launch in 6 or so hours. didnt mean to crap in your thread, back to work !

**kris23** · Aug 12, 2008, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zardon

sorry its after midnight and we are still writing the 4870 X2 article for launch in 6 or so hours. didnt mean to crap in your thread, back to work !

nah its pretty funny no need to apologize

so the 4870 review is coming up soon? wow any news on launch date or is that NDA?

OldBuzzard · Aug 12, 2008, 11:49 PM

Trust me, you don't want it recording 24/7. I installed a system for a friend that has a Used Car lot, and was having problems with getting radios stolen.

He INSISTED on 24/7 recording, and it takes forever to go thru 24/7 worth of recording to find the actual 3-5 minutes when something happens. Unfortunately, he's also a cheapskate, and won't pop for a motion detecting system

**kris23** · Aug 13, 2008, 12:14 AM

hmm..... ill see what i can do, but it seems impractical to use motion detection on a sidewalk.... ill figure out something out.

how does motion detection work? does it use separate sensors or does it use the existing cameras and just record when motion is registered?

H3X4D3C1M4L · Aug 15, 2008, 05:28 PM

Honestly I think Zardon's little joke might be a better idea.

A system such as the one you're trying to set up would probably just need a really fast hard drive subsystem more than anything and tons of space. It might be worth investing in a really good RAID controller, or even looking at SAS (if you can afford the drives). SAS comes to my mind because the drives are designed for 24/7 operation. Not that current SATA drives can't handle it (as long as they're well cooled) but y'know... peace of mind and all that.

Alternatively spend the cash on building a bigger garage or tons of padlocks. True that the theives may still get in but why make it easy for them?

**Mousey** · Aug 15, 2008, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by H3X4D3C1M4L

Honestly I think Zardon's little joke might be a better idea.

A system such as the one you're trying to set up would probably just need a really fast hard drive subsystem more than anything and tons of space. It might be worth investing in a really good RAID controller, or even looking at SAS (if you can afford the drives). SAS comes to my mind because the drives are designed for 24/7 operation. Not that current SATA drives can't handle it (as long as they're well cooled) but y'know... peace of mind and all that.

Alternatively spend the cash on building a bigger garage or tons of padlocks. True that the theives may still get in but why make it easy for them?

Yeah i agree with this dude. At the end of the day Kris surveillance isn't gonna stop your parent's cars being broken into and that. I'd suggest using the cash on improving home security and yes perhaps some dogs if you can look after them. Even if they do wake up the whole neighbourhood it won't be too bad because then they'll know something's up, and eventually they'll get so pissed off they'll help do something about it.

Plus if a dog sinks it's teeth into a burglar's arse they won't be back in a hurry

Zardon · Aug 15, 2008, 05:44 PM

well I have to say, my joke was a joke, but it also wasn't

I know a guy near here who was getting his business burgled regularly (big warehouse).

He has 5 rotweillers patrolling the grounds at night and he hasnt had a robbery in a year. Those dogs are treated very well because they need to be strong, alert and fit to do the job. During the day they arent needed as people are about - they have steaks, a huge area to rest in, and I see a trainer playing ball with them at lunch time. They are treated like kings.

Gotta love dogs.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Aug 15, 2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mousey

Yeah i agree with this dude. At the end of the day Kris surveillance isn't gonna stop your parent's cars being broken into and that. I'd suggest using the cash on improving home security and yes perhaps some dogs if you can look after them. Even if they do wake up the whole neighbourhood it won't be too bad because then they'll know something's up, and eventually they'll get so pissed off they'll help do something about it.

Plus if a dog sinks it's teeth into a burglar's arse they won't be back in a hurry

Precisely my point. If a potential theif sees a surveilance system they'll just assume you have something very worth stealing and then get a pair of pantyhose and put them over the face and then steal your stuff (thus obscuring their facial features from the camera). The key thing really is just making it much harder for the theif to steal things in the first place. Its sort of like the principle of firewalling: Having a basic firewall is better than having no firewall. Even the best firewalls out there won't stop an extremely determined person; those guys are going to get in if they really want to one way or another. But what it will do is make you much less of an attractive target to those casual port scanning pocket protector teenage hax0rs, and that's pretty much the idea here as well. Just make it more trouble than its worth for the potential theif and they'll just move on to easier targets.

**kris23** · Aug 15, 2008, 07:59 PM

guard dogs for a small corner house right at the center of high traffic cross streets? probably a mess waiting to happen....

besides parents probably dont want another dog...

Aug 11, 2008, 08:09 PM	#1
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,018 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	need to build a system suited for home surveilance . hey guys.... well, since we moved to a new neighborhood, weve been running into tons of problems with our cars being broken into and stuff jacked..... few weeks ago, my dad's ambulance was broken into, guess someone wanted drugs and looked in there.... and most recently, our pick-up truck had its muffler stolen...... the muffler man... most random part to steal ever... well, i need to build a computer to record at least 8 cameras simultaneously and store the data for a long time so multiple drives are required and big ones at that.... does anyone know if a computer like this needs alot of RAM? im thinking of using one of these DVR cards: 16 Camera-In-Put Capture Card with 480fps PCI Express + DSP Card + 16 Audio V8.12 Software - Retail Box by Geovision so basically im thinking of getting a Quad Core Q6600 maybe, and a P45 board to use 6 or 8 drives...... 1TB drives. do DVRs require special drives? i know Seagate has special drives for this kind of thing but since its a PC as well, i thought could use 7200.11s or ES.2s ill probably use another stacker for this build and load the drives in there. anybody got ideas? __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Aug 11, 2008, 10:43 PM	#2
OldBuzzard DH's oldest Geek Join Date: May 2003 Location: Oberlin, OH Posts: 2,783 Rep Power: 145 System Specs	Why re-invent the wheel? You can get 2 of these, and looking at just the cost of the card you linked to, it would be cheaper. Outdoor Surveillance: 4 Wireless Long-Range Weatherproof Low-Light Cameras w/ 250GB DVR This system is wireless. If you can go with wired cameras, there are cheaper solutions available. Also, with motion detection, you really don't need huge HDDs. As for the muffler? They were most likely after the Catalytic Converter. Scrap prices for those are insane these days. __________________ When looking for a reason as to why things go wrong, never rule out sheer STUPIDITY Last edited by OldBuzzard; Aug 11, 2008 at 10:49 PM.

Aug 11, 2008, 11:29 PM	Thread Starter #3
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,018 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	funny thing about the muffler, turns out that thing didnt pass the smog check anymore so it needed to be replaced ASAP so yea.... not really a loss the thing about the system is that we need alot of HDD space because we want to do the best we can for 24/7 recording with the best quality possible. motion detection is good for inside the house and by the doors but outside by the sidewalk it isnt as good so the HDDs will be focused there. we dont have a big driveway so some of the cars got to be parked on the sidewalk sadly im thinking of just reworking my own system to work with these things so we dont gotta get a new computer, i could use more RAM and mobo anyway. __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Aug 11, 2008, 11:49 PM	Thread Starter #5
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,018 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	something that wont bark late at night and wake up the whole neighborhood...... lol __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Aug 12, 2008, 11:49 PM	#8
OldBuzzard DH's oldest Geek Join Date: May 2003 Location: Oberlin, OH Posts: 2,783 Rep Power: 145 System Specs	Trust me, you don't want it recording 24/7. I installed a system for a friend that has a Used Car lot, and was having problems with getting radios stolen. He INSISTED on 24/7 recording, and it takes forever to go thru 24/7 worth of recording to find the actual 3-5 minutes when something happens. Unfortunately, he's also a cheapskate, and won't pop for a motion detecting system __________________ When looking for a reason as to why things go wrong, never rule out sheer STUPIDITY

Aug 11, 2008, 11:51 PM	#6
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	sorry its after midnight and we are still writing the 4870 X2 article for launch in 6 or so hours. didnt mean to crap in your thread, back to work !

Aug 13, 2008, 12:14 AM	Thread Starter #9
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,018 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	hmm..... ill see what i can do, but it seems impractical to use motion detection on a sidewalk.... ill figure out something out. how does motion detection work? does it use separate sensors or does it use the existing cameras and just record when motion is registered? __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Aug 15, 2008, 05:28 PM	#10
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Honestly I think Zardon's little joke might be a better idea. A system such as the one you're trying to set up would probably just need a really fast hard drive subsystem more than anything and tons of space. It might be worth investing in a really good RAID controller, or even looking at SAS (if you can afford the drives). SAS comes to my mind because the drives are designed for 24/7 operation. Not that current SATA drives can't handle it (as long as they're well cooled) but y'know... peace of mind and all that. Alternatively spend the cash on building a bigger garage or tons of padlocks. True that the theives may still get in but why make it easy for them?

Aug 15, 2008, 05:44 PM	#12
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	well I have to say, my joke was a joke, but it also wasn't I know a guy near here who was getting his business burgled regularly (big warehouse). He has 5 rotweillers patrolling the grounds at night and he hasnt had a robbery in a year. Those dogs are treated very well because they need to be strong, alert and fit to do the job. During the day they arent needed as people are about - they have steaks, a huge area to rest in, and I see a trainer playing ball with them at lunch time. They are treated like kings. Gotta love dogs.

Aug 15, 2008, 07:59 PM	Thread Starter #14
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,018 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	guard dogs for a small corner house right at the center of high traffic cross streets? probably a mess waiting to happen.... besides parents probably dont want another dog... __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!