PC won't boot

Neshi · Sep 25, 2008, 02:09 PM

could it be some piece of external hardware that caused the pc to not start? When I set up the computer at my desk, I already hung everything on it; printer, headset, cam, mouse, keyboard.. One of the guys at the store mentioned that it could be possible one of those things was interfering or something.

I'm gonna fire it up tonight, and will report back with any of my findings

**temeteus82** · Sep 25, 2008, 02:13 PM

I had BIOS post freezes since I had connected my Anysee E30 Plus DVB-T receiver. If I recall correctly problem was solved by disabling the USB storage function in the BIOS.

Judas · Sep 25, 2008, 03:41 PM

usually usb devices won't cause the system NOT to post.. just to hang at the initial post... such as right after the memory test during the IDE/SATA initializations.

OR

on some other motherboards, it'll hang/fail to load the operating system after going through all the initial bootup processes. In some cases, disabling usb storage, or disabling or enabling legacy usb support would resolve the case.

Neshi · Sep 25, 2008, 04:54 PM

I found out what the problem was... and I'd like to slap myself on the head.
You know that powercable for the cpu, it's called cpu1 and cpu2, and BOTH need to be plugged into the mobo. I only did cpu1.. that's why it didn't post.

Now I've ran into another problem. The system will boot (right now I'm installing windows) and everything, but it gives a error after it initialized the bios and raid controller saying:
Adapter 1
Error: No harddrive(s) installed!

Don't know if this will go away as soon windows is correctly installed and the partitions formatted.. but it's strange. Could it be because these raids were formed with the ICH9R, and now I have a mobo with ICH10R ?

Just a note: hard drives are being detected, as I have just installed windows on them, but it's just this error on startup that got me a little worried..

cozumel · Sep 25, 2008, 05:10 PM

I'm not eactly sure the layout of your BIOS config. However, this is the principal of a RAID configuration install for Windows:

Ensure you are configuring the RAID setup within the BIOS as stated within your motherboard manual.
Prepare a floppy / usb stick with the correct installation Windows RAID driver (This should be on the chipset installation disk but you need to install from a seperate media)
When you begin the installation of Windows one of the first questions it asks, after installing temporary files, is whether you need to install and additional drivers and you state yes. Then browse to the floppy / usb stick with your prepared RAID installtion driver and install.
Windows will now be able to detect your RAID installation

If you need help with the BIOS config I can always download the manual and have a look (for more exact advice if needed) but I am sure others here will have used your mobo before and know the exact setting to provide you with any necessary assistance/support.

Judas · Sep 25, 2008, 05:13 PM

it's likely not detecting any hardrives for the ide channels.....

as for the cpu issue... that's a bit strange.. as typically the addtional CPU2 12v isn't nessary to use the machine..... the CPU1 connector IS however......

cozumel · Sep 25, 2008, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

it's likely not detecting any hardrives for the ide channels.....

That could be so. If you are not using any IDE devices in your setup then you should disable IDE from with the BIOS if only to save resources, however minimal. It also speeds up the boot time. While you are at it, you should also disable things like floppy, serial, parallel, unused additional onboard SATA chips or anything else surplus to your requirements from within the BIOS to further speed things up if you are not using these resources, (for the same reasons outlined above).

Neshi · Sep 25, 2008, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

it's likely not detecting any hardrives for the ide channels.....

as for the cpu issue... that's a bit strange.. as typically the addtional CPU2 12v isn't nessary to use the machine..... the CPU1 connector IS however......

That's a good possibility! I will turn off IDE in the bios then.

As far as the CPU1 and CPU2 goes, there was a cap on the input for the CPU2 cable, so I assumed it wasn't neccesary. But when I got the pc back from the shop, they had both the connectors plugged in. I will plug the CPU2 out and try to start it, then we'll know for sure if it's neccesary.

Then the problem could be, but not likely, that CPU2 cable, or external udb-devices that shouldn't be connected... I can't think of anything else. Maybe like Zardon mentioned, while moving the computer to the store something that caused a short, moved out of the way and now it's fine.

And Cozumel, about the Raid.
I made those Raids on the P5K-Deluxe mobo, with ICH9R chip thing, and it was fine. This is the P5Q-E with ICH10R chip thing, so that could cause problems. Only thing is, I went into the raid configuration window and the raids I made on the previous mobo, was already shown there. And as I said, I could just format my windows partition on one of the raids and do a fresh install...
So the raids are correctly detected. That HDD error is probably the IDE (where nothing is plugged in) as you and Judas mentioned.

cozumel · Sep 25, 2008, 07:02 PM

Neshi, fyi, the ICHxx chips (thingy lol) are commonly referred to as the southbridge chips or to be more accurate (with Intel) Input/Output Controller Hub (hence ICH). They carry out the slower communications within your system such as USB, PCI, ISA, RAID, IDE etc

The P45/X48/X38/P35 is your northbridge and are also commonly referred to as the Memory Controller Hub (MCH). The northbridge will carry out the faster communications in your system such as CPU, RAM, PCIE or AGP. In some cases the northbridge will have an integrated graphics processor and in Intel systems ends up being referred to as the Graphics and Memory Controller Hub (GMCH).

You've probably seen various threads where, when all the RAM slots are populated or the RAM or CPU are overclocked people have problem with cooling on the MCH (northbridge) and end up putting a little fan there. This is due to the extra work the MCH is having to do. Bear this in mind when you are system building as it can be vital for overall stability.

Just thought I would give a little info. I hope I am not sounding patronising as I mean it for your benefit and understanding.

Jiust like to add, I am a thousand miles away from having enough knowledge to say that the above is 100% accurate, but the above is how I understand it to work.

BTW, how do you find the Cosmos S? I saw it in your other post (show your rig). Just try to tidy up the cables a touch to improve airflow passing from the front to rear of the case is my only comment. But she looks beautiful and I hope you are proud of your new creation.

Neshi · Sep 25, 2008, 07:27 PM

thanks for explaining, I appriciate it. The more I know about how the pc works, the better!
I hope I can sort things out in the next couple of days. I found out I still have my data. The other partitions other then windows didn't have to be formatted, so it's all good. It would probably still be a good idea to do it though.

And I love the Cosmos S! It's a great case, it's huge, but I like huge

It's just heavy as a mother...! That's one downside.. the guy at the store already said: watch your back! as I walked out. haha
And you are right about the cables. It's messy in there and I have to tidy it up a little bit.

dawgXdenta · Sep 25, 2008, 09:26 PM

If you ever have a problem just come to DH i was gonna throw my 2 cents but man there is a lot of knowledge runnin around in here

GigaWatt · Sep 26, 2008, 12:06 AM

whell, loks like the rig worked, so happy gaming, or whatever you plan to do with the rig

, but as dawgXdenta wrote, with some of you guys i just can't keep up with, you know too much and reply so quickly... hahahaha

PangingJr · Sep 26, 2008, 12:01 PM

Neshi, how you like this new board so far?

OldBuzzard · Sep 26, 2008, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dawgXdenta

If you ever have a problem just come to DH i was gonna throw my 2 cents but man there is a lot of knowledge runnin around in here

Don't ever hesitate to "throw your 2 cents' into the discussion.

Who knows, it just might be YOUR 2 cents that is the answer to the problem. There are times when the people with the most knowledge overlook the simple solutions, and it takes someone with 'less knowledge' to find the cure

GigaWatt · Sep 26, 2008, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldBuzzard

There are times when the people with the most knowledge overlook the simple solutions, and it takes someone with 'less knowledge' to find the cure

for me, that prooved to be true many times

anyway, how is the rig working, is it stable, do you have any more booting problems?

Neshi · Sep 26, 2008, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PangingJr

Neshi, how you like this new board so far?

The board is nice, and it's stable as far as I can see. Don't really know how good it is, as I don't really do any benchmarks or something..
Right now I'm in Switzerland, and when I get back I will try my hand at overclocking on this board. I'm hoping to get my cpu to 3.6, but I'll settle for less also. 3.2 shouldn't be a problem anyway.
Overclocking my memory.. is that something I should do? Will there be an improvement in performance with the sticks I have?

PangingJr · Oct 12, 2008, 01:07 AM

overclock your RAM if only you want to, Neshi.

what is your CPU and RAM anyway? i'm too lazy to go back and read the whole thread again.

Sep 25, 2008, 02:09 PM	Thread Starter #31
Neshi S.N.A.F.U. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 3,378 Rep Power: 177 System Specs	could it be some piece of external hardware that caused the pc to not start? When I set up the computer at my desk, I already hung everything on it; printer, headset, cam, mouse, keyboard.. One of the guys at the store mentioned that it could be possible one of those things was interfering or something. I'm gonna fire it up tonight, and will report back with any of my findings __________________ If one does not attach himself to people and desire, never shall his heart be broken. But then, does he ever truly live? Life is just too damn short for if's and maybe's

Sep 25, 2008, 04:54 PM	Thread Starter #34
Neshi S.N.A.F.U. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 3,378 Rep Power: 177 System Specs	I found out what the problem was... and I'd like to slap myself on the head. You know that powercable for the cpu, it's called cpu1 and cpu2, and BOTH need to be plugged into the mobo. I only did cpu1.. that's why it didn't post. Now I've ran into another problem. The system will boot (right now I'm installing windows) and everything, but it gives a error after it initialized the bios and raid controller saying: Adapter 1 Error: No harddrive(s) installed! Don't know if this will go away as soon windows is correctly installed and the partitions formatted.. but it's strange. Could it be because these raids were formed with the ICH9R, and now I have a mobo with ICH10R ? Just a note: hard drives are being detected, as I have just installed windows on them, but it's just this error on startup that got me a little worried.. __________________ If one does not attach himself to people and desire, never shall his heart be broken. But then, does he ever truly live? Life is just too damn short for if's and maybe's

Sep 25, 2008, 05:10 PM	#35
cozumel I'm dangerous but cute... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Under the waves... Posts: 3,577 Rep Power: 60 System Specs	I'm not eactly sure the layout of your BIOS config. However, this is the principal of a RAID configuration install for Windows: Ensure you are configuring the RAID setup within the BIOS as stated within your motherboard manual. Prepare a floppy / usb stick with the correct installation Windows RAID driver (This should be on the chipset installation disk but you need to install from a seperate media) When you begin the installation of Windows one of the first questions it asks, after installing temporary files, is whether you need to install and additional drivers and you state yes. Then browse to the floppy / usb stick with your prepared RAID installtion driver and install. Windows will now be able to detect your RAID installation If you need help with the BIOS config I can always download the manual and have a look (for more exact advice if needed) but I am sure others here will have used your mobo before and know the exact setting to provide you with any necessary assistance/support. __________________ Don't worry about money - Be a beach bum! Scuba Rocks

Sep 25, 2008, 07:02 PM	#39
cozumel I'm dangerous but cute... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Under the waves... Posts: 3,577 Rep Power: 60 System Specs	Neshi, fyi, the ICHxx chips (thingy lol) are commonly referred to as the southbridge chips or to be more accurate (with Intel) Input/Output Controller Hub (hence ICH). They carry out the slower communications within your system such as USB, PCI, ISA, RAID, IDE etc The P45/X48/X38/P35 is your northbridge and are also commonly referred to as the Memory Controller Hub (MCH). The northbridge will carry out the faster communications in your system such as CPU, RAM, PCIE or AGP. In some cases the northbridge will have an integrated graphics processor and in Intel systems ends up being referred to as the Graphics and Memory Controller Hub (GMCH). You've probably seen various threads where, when all the RAM slots are populated or the RAM or CPU are overclocked people have problem with cooling on the MCH (northbridge) and end up putting a little fan there. This is due to the extra work the MCH is having to do. Bear this in mind when you are system building as it can be vital for overall stability. Just thought I would give a little info. I hope I am not sounding patronising as I mean it for your benefit and understanding. Jiust like to add, I am a thousand miles away from having enough knowledge to say that the above is 100% accurate, but the above is how I understand it to work. BTW, how do you find the Cosmos S? I saw it in your other post (show your rig). Just try to tidy up the cables a touch to improve airflow passing from the front to rear of the case is my only comment. But she looks beautiful and I hope you are proud of your new creation. __________________ Don't worry about money - Be a beach bum! Scuba Rocks Last edited by cozumel; Sep 25, 2008 at 08:03 PM.

Sep 25, 2008, 07:27 PM	Thread Starter #40
Neshi S.N.A.F.U. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 3,378 Rep Power: 177 System Specs	thanks for explaining, I appriciate it. The more I know about how the pc works, the better! I hope I can sort things out in the next couple of days. I found out I still have my data. The other partitions other then windows didn't have to be formatted, so it's all good. It would probably still be a good idea to do it though. And I love the Cosmos S! It's a great case, it's huge, but I like huge It's just heavy as a mother...! That's one downside.. the guy at the store already said: watch your back! as I walked out. haha And you are right about the cables. It's messy in there and I have to tidy it up a little bit. __________________ If one does not attach himself to people and desire, never shall his heart be broken. But then, does he ever truly live? Life is just too damn short for if's and maybe's

Sep 25, 2008, 09:26 PM	#41
dawgXdenta HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Gabz Posts: 1,995 Rep Power: 135 System Specs	If you ever have a problem just come to DH i was gonna throw my 2 cents but man there is a lot of knowledge runnin around in here __________________ Today's world is of public opinion and the fates of nations are determined through its pressure. Once the tools for building public opinion are obtained, everything that you asked for can be done. --- Osama bin Laden when relating how global media has the minds of the masses. ______________________________________ http://dawgxdenta.deviantart.com/gallery/

Sep 26, 2008, 12:06 AM	#42
GigaWatt Now In Color :D Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonia, Skopje Posts: 2,116 Rep Power: 81 System Specs	whell, loks like the rig worked, so happy gaming, or whatever you plan to do with the rig , but as dawgXdenta wrote, with some of you guys i just can't keep up with, you know too much and reply so quickly... hahahaha __________________ It's not schisophrenia... it's just a voice in my head... Last edited by GigaWatt; Sep 26, 2008 at 12:28 AM.

Sep 26, 2008, 12:01 PM	#43
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 71	Neshi, how you like this new board so far?

Oct 12, 2008, 01:07 AM	#47
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 71	Re: PC won't boot overclock your RAM if only you want to, Neshi. what is your CPU and RAM anyway? i'm too lazy to go back and read the whole thread again.