kris23

hey guys, im finally in the market for a new monitor and i need to ask, how many PC games can easily play on 1080p level?

im looking to get one of these:

Newegg.com - ASUS VH226H Black 21.5" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen 16:9 Full HD 1080P LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 1000:1 (ASCR 12000 : 1) Built in Speakers - LCD Monitors

now before you guys start going off about LCD panels, keep in mind that i want to spend as little as possible while maintaining mediocre quality......

so that basically leaves me with TN.

i just need a second monitor.

is it hard to get a monitor to work with games like this? or will it be cut off?

is there any way to modify .infs to get to this res?

thanks guys.

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BlueMak

As far as I know there are no monitors of 1080p. You will have to go either 1680x1050 or 1920x1200 if you want widescreen at near that resolution.

For 1080p only, you will have to go with a TV.
Now as for that monitor, I don't know, ASUS makes good products, but this is the first 1080p monitor I see and I don't see any reason to get one when you could get a 1920x1200 instead.

As for the black borders and stuff, it all depends on the monitor and if it has built in scaler to do proper correct aspect ratio, your graphics card and its drivers if the monitor can't support it, the games and if they support it. Some do, others don't. At least 1080p. Most PC 3D games support 1920x1200, but not all of them 1080p.

Now, even if a game supports a 16:9 or 16:10 resolution, it doesn't mean it does it the proper way. So, some games will "zoom in" and crop the top and bottom to pretend to be widescreen capable (Initial release of Bioshock plus many more games plus most games based on Unreal3 engine due to the game developers being lazy incompetent monkeys to change it). Which makes it interesting because you would expect to see more on the sides with your widescreen monitor and resolution, but instead you see the same width and less height, which, is, bad.

Thankfuly more and more games properly support widescreen resolutions, both 16:9 and 16:10. Just not all or even most yet.

But, with either a graphics card/driver or a monitor that can do correct aspect ratio, even when they botch this, you can still enjoy the game good enough, even with black borders on the left and right side.

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mkk

Native 1920x1080 panels has appeared recently and they seem to be as good as any TN panel. Check out Welcome to the Widescreen Gaming Forum for detailed reports on how well most major games handle widescreen. In general it's been working really well with most games and games that support widescreen tends to do so for both 16:10 and 16:9. For some games that are problematic there are workarounds.

1920x1080 on a 21.5" monitor does also mean that the pixels will be somewhat smaller than average. Reading text might require use of larger fonts or the user being a little closer to the monitor. Not a problem if it's to be primarily used for gaming, where a higher pixel density is mostly beneficial.

kris23

thanks guys for the tips.... im still thinking on whether to get this or blow another hundred and get a nice 1920x1200 monitor....

if i dont have to, its nice but if i do then i gotta....

if it comes down to it, ill just get one of these... 26" is nice

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824155056

so has anyone game'd on PC with an HDTV? if so how is it?

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Dyre Straits

I just got this one today and am ... so far ... really pleased with it. I couldn't pass up the price and quality of this monitor and have been wanting one for ages now.

Micro Center - CMV 222H 22" Widescreen MFM LCD

BTW, the posted "16.2 million colors" is in error. The monitor does have 16.7 million.

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BlueMak

Well, it is a TN panel, so I doubt it is true 16 million colours anyway, but it looks good.
The one thing I don't like is that it only has 1 digital connection. So if you want to connect a PC and a PS3 for example, you will have to connect the PC through VGA...not good.

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BlueMak

Yes, as I mentioned before I use a 22" TV as a monitor. It's good. As long as the rest of the specs are ok, you should be fine.

If you go for the 1920x1200 route, don't forget you will need to upgrade more often if you want to keep playing new games at native resolution.

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This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis.

Dyre Straits

Actually, if you've had a chance to read the thread I started up, I presently do have the monitor connected via the VGA connection anyway. And, rather than not being good, it's quite excellent. The crispness is much, much better than what I had on my 21in CRT. So, I'm not at all disappointed with this unit. With that in mind, when I do get a 360 [no PS3 in my plans here ] I'll be able to do just fine.

I can't see the benefit of putting out another $40 for a DVI-HDMI cable because I don't think the quality would be that different...and certainly not worth the cost of the cable.

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BlueMak

Well, to each his own I guess. Bare in mind if you want to use correct aspect scaling (or in case of nvidia I think all scaling based on the graphics card) then you have to connect your PC with DVI, VGA won't let it use scaling.
At least from my experience and from other posters.

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Dyre Straits

What resolutions and/or games would tend to pose the greatest problem?

So far, I've tried several different resolutions and, it seems all I have to do is press the little "Auto" button on the side of the monitor and that does an Auto Adjust function.

Give me some things to check out and I'll get back to you....but, much later tonight.

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BlueMak

Auto adjust with a CRT monitor, correct? Most TFT monitors don't have this or even if they do, don't support it in the same way.

I can't give any examples since I haven't used vga connection for my desktop pc for about 7 years.

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Dyre Straits

No, the Auto Adjust button is on the side of my new LCD monitor that I posted above. There are several other buttons there, too...

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RobertBruce

Go for it. I am looking at the same deal. I have a 22 inch right now so its actually going smaller for me... but the resolution is better. Those pixels must be damn small!

swimtech

Yeah guys, that's new...

The 22" screen with 1920x1080 res - that was a 24" until this month, or last - well - very recently!

Manufacture of the panels must be improving bit by bit to get this kind of pixel density on this size screen - at that price (very nice!). I'm surmising that panel consistency must be improving, so the quality of the video should be as good - but since the manufacturer's want to "wow" us a bit with the new "thing", I'd bet that backlight bleed is a little excessive out of the box.

At this res too, a DVI/HDMI connection really starts to make a difference. Even at 1680x1050 you can see it some, but matters more upping the res from there surely - I've seen it.

Dyre, when you get an adaptor for DVI into the HDMI input on your Chimei - either borrowed or purchased in time - I know you'll see the difference too - but VGA obviously passes your muster now. Cool.

I'd really be interested in hearing your impressions if/when you guys get one of those V226H's. A friend just got a Dell S2209W monitor that has that resolution and he really likes it - says it does video great! This is a fellow too whose impression I trust - he's seen lots of others too...

Don't think many games support the resolution out of the box (it's so new...), might have to make a custom res within the game for it - and all PC resolutions nowadays are progressive scanned (1080p, for instance...), never interlaced (1080i, for instance).

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Judas

fyi about games and the widescreen..... generally all you have to worry about is older games... or with new games, adjust it to widescreen mode OR manually adjust the FOV.

For much much older games.... for example quake 3 arena... you have to manually force a custom resolution, and to do that.. easiest way is via the config file that is created by the user... Set the r_mode to -1 and then set the resoltuion verticle/horizontal values to 1920x1080 or 1200 or whatever your using, and also input an FOV of 100-110 depending....

Some games cut the top/bottom off and present you with not anything substatially more on the sides... just make it widescreen fit....

others tend to do what they are ment to do, and instead of cutting the top and bottom off, then leave it alone, and ADD to the sides (the way it should be).

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kris23

well.... i decided...... to break my newly formed bank account and get the KDS 26" monitor....

so i guess we'll see if i end up killing myself later or greatly enjoying myself

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Dyre Straits

Enjoy it as much as possible. You can always kill yourself later.

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swimtech

A great big 'un! Merry Christmas!

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kris23

lol thanks guys.... merry christmas

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