9800gtx+ or 4850 (sorry if this sounds the same as others)

gamerguy127 · Feb 23, 2009, 11:28 PM

i am new here and wanted the advice of all you tech geniuses here on DH so here goes, i am currently building a new pc and my motherboard is the asus striker ii extreme 790i sli ultra and i have the choice between these two cards the zotac 9800GTX+ AMP! or the Palit ati radeon HD 4850 both are the 512mb versions. i wont be running sli anytime soon so i just want to know which is better really, and space inside my case is not an issue either, so please can anyone tell me which to get???? here are both- Zotac AMP GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512MB GDDR3 TV-Out/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail (151-0108-0Q0VU)

Palit 512mb ATi Radeon HD 4850 PCI Express 2.0 Graphics Card Retail XAE/48500+T352-PM9048 Buy : Tek Computers

Cow_160483 · Feb 24, 2009, 06:41 AM

Here is a recent review on DH on the 4850 sonic by Platia compared to a 9800gt sonic but am not sure about the 9800gtx+

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When deciding which card to buy one of the main features which should be taken into account is performance and overall we feel that the 4850 Sonic just edges ahead of the 9800 GT Sonic. It is also slightly better for those who wish to connect the card to a HDTV as audio does not require a SPDIF pass-through. Advantages of the 9800 GT are more room for additional overclocking which will please enthusiast users and the ability to pair up cards in SLI which tends to be the best performing multi-GPU system.

OldBuzzard · Feb 24, 2009, 07:47 AM

From every thing I've read, as far as performance is concerned those two cards are pretty much equal, so ,trying to make a decision on performance isn't going to help.

You are going to have to look at other things. One thing I noticed in your post is: "i wont be running sli anytime soon ". If you re thinking of running SLI at some future date, than I'd go with the 9800. If not, then the 4850 seems to be a better card because of other features, coupled with the fact that it's less costly.

Mostly, I think it depends on what you are using your system for.

Tipstaff · Feb 24, 2009, 07:51 AM

Most reviews I've read, and from what I've experienced, both cards are on par with each other. Sometimes one card will perform better, sometimes the other way around, but neither perform way better when they do. Both cards are that close in performance. However, that said, the majority of times the 9800GTX+ is ahead by a narrow margin.

Personally, I'd go for the Zotac 9800GTX+ for 3 reasons: 1) the tests I referred to early were with default clocked 9800GTX+ cards (738mhz), this is an overclocked card (750mhz), so the scores for those test would have been higher if done with this card, 2) the cooler ejects the hot air out of the back of the case (I've sold that Palit card before, and while it is a Zalman cooler, and it does keep the GPU nice and cool, it can heat up things around it, like the backpanel of the case, the areas of the video cards board around the cooler, and the motherboard below it), and 3) PhysX support (this is really a personal preference though).

gamerguy127 · Feb 24, 2009, 09:17 AM

Thanks everyone i think i'll go for the 9800GTX also it huge and looks awesome!!

Cow_160483 · Feb 24, 2009, 10:33 AM

good choice since you have an SLi set up and might want to make use of it in the future

nicnik · Feb 24, 2009, 12:55 PM

it depends on what games you play mostly as well. One performs better than the other depending on the game.

Otherwise their rather close and you'd be happy with either one.

**kris23** · Feb 25, 2009, 12:57 AM

really.... you are set with either....

if you like Nvidia PhysX, get the 9800GTX+ but it uses a bit of power....

the HD 4850 uses less power, and is smaller, but has no physX capability

it all goes down to the games you play.

gamerguy127 · Feb 25, 2009, 06:20 PM

well i will be playing games such as crysis (obviousley), far cry 2, cod4,5, gta4 mostly games like that and the newest flight simulater so i think the zotac card will be better plus it is huge and will look awesome in my case, thanks for all the help everyone!!

gamerguy127 · Feb 25, 2009, 06:40 PM

also just a random thought why is the game spelt crysis but the dictionary spells it crisis??

procupine14 · Feb 25, 2009, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamerguy127

also just a random thought why is the game spelt crysis but the dictionary spells it crisis??

i've always liked to think it was a marketing thing. You know in all reality your brain is drawn to thing you see that are misspelled

. Or just because the guy at the box printing machine was drunk

. Either way its a great game enjoy your card...let us know how happy you are

gamerguy127 · Feb 25, 2009, 11:25 PM

ha thats a funny thought, well when it gets here i'll be sure to tell everyone!!

gamerguy127 · Mar 7, 2009, 04:42 PM

hi guys i have my zotac card and it is 10.5" of pure awesomeness it just eats all the games i play with everything maxed out (besides crysis) but i can run that at 1440*900 everything very high with 4* aa with a respectable 35-40 fps, i also just upgraded 2 a quad core so that helped 2!

Mac Daddy · Mar 7, 2009, 05:01 PM

Cool stuff man enjoy

I have been following along and a nice choice. Just out of curiosity what are your load and idle temps like? Seems to me I read that the + used some of the cooler GPU core technology that went into the 9600GT. (Although I could be wrong)

**kris23** · Mar 7, 2009, 06:03 PM

awesome! enjoy it

gamerguy127 · Mar 8, 2009, 04:24 PM

temps are really good about 52 C idle and 65-70 C load then about 3-4 C more if i overclock a bit and if i manually controll the fan and put it up to 100% (although its noisy then) i get 40-42 C idle and 50-55 C load but its too noisy

Feb 23, 2009, 11:28 PM	#1
gamerguy127 HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: England Posts: 168 Rep Power: 29 System Specs	9800gtx+ or 4850 (sorry if this sounds the same as others) i am new here and wanted the advice of all you tech geniuses here on DH so here goes, i am currently building a new pc and my motherboard is the asus striker ii extreme 790i sli ultra and i have the choice between these two cards the zotac 9800GTX+ AMP! or the Palit ati radeon HD 4850 both are the 512mb versions. i wont be running sli anytime soon so i just want to know which is better really, and space inside my case is not an issue either, so please can anyone tell me which to get???? here are both- Zotac AMP GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512MB GDDR3 TV-Out/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail (151-0108-0Q0VU) Palit 512mb ATi Radeon HD 4850 PCI Express 2.0 Graphics Card Retail XAE/48500+T352-PM9048 Buy : Tek Computers __________________

Feb 24, 2009, 07:47 AM	#3
OldBuzzard DH's oldest Geek Join Date: May 2003 Location: Oberlin, OH Posts: 2,783 Rep Power: 145 System Specs	Re: 9800gtx+ or 4850 (sorry if this sounds the same as others) From every thing I've read, as far as performance is concerned those two cards are pretty much equal, so ,trying to make a decision on performance isn't going to help. You are going to have to look at other things. One thing I noticed in your post is: "i wont be running sli anytime soon ". If you re thinking of running SLI at some future date, than I'd go with the 9800. If not, then the 4850 seems to be a better card because of other features, coupled with the fact that it's less costly. Mostly, I think it depends on what you are using your system for. __________________ When looking for a reason as to why things go wrong, never rule out sheer STUPIDITY

Feb 24, 2009, 07:51 AM	#4
Tipstaff HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Real capital of Canada: Torauna Posts: 6,773 Rep Power: 190 System Specs	Re: 9800gtx+ or 4850 (sorry if this sounds the same as others) Most reviews I've read, and from what I've experienced, both cards are on par with each other. Sometimes one card will perform better, sometimes the other way around, but neither perform way better when they do. Both cards are that close in performance. However, that said, the majority of times the 9800GTX+ is ahead by a narrow margin. Personally, I'd go for the Zotac 9800GTX+ for 3 reasons: 1) the tests I referred to early were with default clocked 9800GTX+ cards (738mhz), this is an overclocked card (750mhz), so the scores for those test would have been higher if done with this card, 2) the cooler ejects the hot air out of the back of the case (I've sold that Palit card before, and while it is a Zalman cooler, and it does keep the GPU nice and cool, it can heat up things around it, like the backpanel of the case, the areas of the video cards board around the cooler, and the motherboard below it), and 3) PhysX support (this is really a personal preference though). __________________ Portal: The Flash Version _________________________________ Brain: So, you sacked the cocky khaki Kicky Sack sock plucker? Mr. Sackett: The second cocky khaki Kicky Sack sock plucker I've sacked since the sixth sitting sheet slitter got sick.

Feb 24, 2009, 09:17 AM	Thread Starter #5
gamerguy127 HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: England Posts: 168 Rep Power: 29 System Specs	Re: 9800gtx+ or 4850 (sorry if this sounds the same as others) Thanks everyone i think i'll go for the 9800GTX also it huge and looks awesome!! __________________

Feb 24, 2009, 10:33 AM	#6
Cow_160483 HH's only cow moooooo... Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: BOTSWANA Posts: 6,817 Rep Power: 300 System Specs	Re: 9800gtx+ or 4850 (sorry if this sounds the same as others) good choice since you have an SLi set up and might want to make use of it in the future __________________ Decode! Muhahahahah!

Feb 24, 2009, 12:55 PM	#7
nicnik In the Land of Snow Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 569 Rep Power: 46 System Specs	Re: 9800gtx+ or 4850 (sorry if this sounds the same as others) it depends on what games you play mostly as well. One performs better than the other depending on the game. Otherwise their rather close and you'd be happy with either one. __________________ Follow Me on Twitter Battlefield 3 \| youtube \| TwitchTV

Feb 25, 2009, 12:57 AM	#8
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,018 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Re: 9800gtx+ or 4850 (sorry if this sounds the same as others) really.... you are set with either.... if you like Nvidia PhysX, get the 9800GTX+ but it uses a bit of power.... the HD 4850 uses less power, and is smaller, but has no physX capability it all goes down to the games you play. __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Feb 25, 2009, 06:20 PM	Thread Starter #9
gamerguy127 HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: England Posts: 168 Rep Power: 29 System Specs	Re: 9800gtx+ or 4850 (sorry if this sounds the same as others) well i will be playing games such as crysis (obviousley), far cry 2, cod4,5, gta4 mostly games like that and the newest flight simulater so i think the zotac card will be better plus it is huge and will look awesome in my case, thanks for all the help everyone!! __________________

Feb 25, 2009, 06:40 PM	Thread Starter #10
gamerguy127 HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: England Posts: 168 Rep Power: 29 System Specs	Re: 9800gtx+ or 4850 (sorry if this sounds the same as others) also just a random thought why is the game spelt crysis but the dictionary spells it crisis?? __________________

Feb 25, 2009, 11:25 PM	Thread Starter #12
gamerguy127 HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: England Posts: 168 Rep Power: 29 System Specs	Re: 9800gtx+ or 4850 (sorry if this sounds the same as others) ha thats a funny thought, well when it gets here i'll be sure to tell everyone!! __________________

Mar 7, 2009, 04:42 PM	Thread Starter #13
gamerguy127 HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: England Posts: 168 Rep Power: 29 System Specs	Re: 9800gtx+ or 4850 (sorry if this sounds the same as others) hi guys i have my zotac card and it is 10.5" of pure awesomeness it just eats all the games i play with everything maxed out (besides crysis) but i can run that at 1440900 everything very high with 4 aa with a respectable 35-40 fps, i also just upgraded 2 a quad core so that helped 2! __________________

Mar 7, 2009, 05:01 PM	#14
Mac Daddy DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 7,950 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	Re: 9800gtx+ or 4850 (sorry if this sounds the same as others) Cool stuff man enjoy I have been following along and a nice choice. Just out of curiosity what are your load and idle temps like? Seems to me I read that the + used some of the cooler GPU core technology that went into the 9600GT. (Although I could be wrong) __________________ "My mom said the only reason men are alive is for lawn care and vehicle maintenance." - Tim Allen

Mar 7, 2009, 06:03 PM	#15
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,018 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Re: 9800gtx+ or 4850 (sorry if this sounds the same as others) awesome! enjoy it __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Mar 8, 2009, 04:24 PM	Thread Starter #16
gamerguy127 HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: England Posts: 168 Rep Power: 29 System Specs	Re: 9800gtx+ or 4850 (sorry if this sounds the same as others) temps are really good about 52 C idle and 65-70 C load then about 3-4 C more if i overclock a bit and if i manually controll the fan and put it up to 100% (although its noisy then) i get 40-42 C idle and 50-55 C load but its too noisy __________________