My new mouse

Zardon · May 10, 2009, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Zelig

I've been eyeing that keyboard for a while, hoping for my squishy Logitech to break so I can justify buying a new one. ($170 to Canada

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How does it compare to the Raptor K1?

Its superior to the K1 in every way. In fact I would go as far to say it is the best keyboard I have used. It is rather loud though so if you aren't used to the old classic IBM keyboard style then you might want to pass.

its a typist's heaven. I average about 110wpm on it, which for me is pretty good. (in my late teens early 20's when I was trained I averaged about 120-130 so I have slowed up a little).

Zardon · May 10, 2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lowfat

Zardon, what makes the Das better than the 7g?

The keys on the 7G are excellent and as you know ive been singing its praises for years. The keys on the DAS however are even more pronounced, so you get a very audible click just as the key actuates with a little further play after it. It brings back so many memories for me when people actually made good keyboards. There is so much rubbish out there now that I find it extremely difficult to get a great typing board. On some of the boards ive been forced to use recently I have been making so many errors, actually thinking I was getting older and perhaps losing my dexterity a little. This has reinvigorated my typing again. I am actually thinking of ordering another DAS for a backup.

I also prefer the layout because there are two windows keys on it, either side of the spacebar and as I use a macintosh and a PC via a belkin switch (with the Steelseries Ikari Laser, Samsung 30 inch XL30 and Mako speakers) the windows key translates to the Mac command key. Having just one on the steelseries to the right of the spacebar is useless so I had to ditch it.

if you like the style of the 7g im positive you will like this even more as it is superior in every way (also even more expensive which is hard to believe!)

Lowfat · May 10, 2009, 06:59 PM

Interesting. I've been using a 7G for about a year and didn't think a better keyboard was actually possible.

I also use it on a Mac, but I use the alt key as command (as that is the position of the command key on an apple keyboard), so it doesn't both me at all. I would buy the Das if I had a need for another $170 keyboard, and I have my doubts that selling my 7G for a recent price would be easy.

Mac Daddy · May 10, 2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Zardon

The keys on the 7G are excellent and as you know ive been singing its praises for years. The keys on the DAS however are even more pronounced, so you get a very audible click just as the key actuates with a little further play after it. It brings back so many memories for me when people actually made good keyboards. There is so much rubbish out there now that I find it extremely difficult to get a great typing board. On some of the boards ive been forced to use recently I have been making so many errors, actually thinking I was getting older and perhaps losing my dexterity a little. This has reinvigorated my typing again. I am actually thinking of ordering another DAS for a backup.

I also prefer the layout because there are two windows keys on it, either side of the spacebar and as I use a macintosh and a PC via a belkin switch (with the Steelseries Ikari Laser, Samsung 30 inch XL30 and Mako speakers) the windows key translates to the Mac command key. Having just one on the steelseries to the right of the spacebar is useless so I had to ditch it.

if you like the style of the 7g im positive you will like this even more as it is superior in every way (also even more expensive which is hard to believe!)

Hmm now ya got me thinking here and 170 bucks I have no issues with for a quality keyboard I am happy with. The 7G I will still check out for gaming but about 90 percent of my keyboard use is typing. I am already wearing the coating off some of the keys on this cheap OCZ Alchemy Elixir I picked up for 30 bucks less than 6 months ago.

Zardon · May 10, 2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lowfat

Interesting. I've been using a 7G for about a year and didn't think a better keyboard was actually possible.

I also use it on a Mac, but I use the alt key as command (as that is the position of the command key on an apple keyboard), so it doesn't both me at all. I would buy the Das if I had a need for another $170 keyboard, and I have my doubts that selling my 7G for a recent price would be easy.

Yeah I didnt really mean people should rush out and buy it, was just an observation that I finally found a better board thant the 7G for typing.

As for remaping keys, in my specific instance that isn't ideal, I use a wireless mac bluetooth keyboard as well in some instances and it plays havoc with the regular button layout. Always annoyed me that the 7G didnt have a mirrored/parallel layout, I can appreciate that gamers might hit the windows key on the left during gaming but it always annoys me when they change the standardised layout.

Zardon · May 10, 2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac Daddy

Hmm now ya got me thinking here and 170 bucks I have no issues with for a quality keyboard I am happy with. The 7G I will still check out for gaming but about 90 percent of my keyboard use is typing. I am already wearing the coating off some of the keys on this cheap OCZ Alchemy Elixir I picked up for 30 bucks less than 6 months ago.

Yeah, its a problem with the run of the mill boards, the keys wear out, you have to deal with "spongy" keys and quite often what people have recommended to me as great keyboards are little better than average. The Raptor K1 and the Steelseries have been two of the semi mainstream boards which have been good in recent years, I can say I don't rate any logitech or microsoft board for typing although I did have a soft spot for a while with the microsoft natural (although I hate the new one).

I am massively fussy about keyboards though, you really can't beat the old IBM style boards for typing, its what I was brought up on.

Lowfat · May 10, 2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac Daddy

Hmm now ya got me thinking here and 170 bucks I have no issues with for a quality keyboard I am happy with. The 7G I will still check out for gaming but about 90 percent of my keyboard use is typing. I am already wearing the coating off some of the keys on this cheap OCZ Alchemy Elixir I picked up for 30 bucks less than 6 months ago.

The 7G is a great typing keyboard, it is actually the only thing I use it for. Both the 7G ($130) and Das ($170) are available in Canada. I only wish I could try the Das out somewhere to know if it worth switching.

Mac Daddy · May 10, 2009, 08:18 PM

Well see the old IBM keyboards are what I used in college they were built like tanks and I liked them as well. If the Das keyboard is similar but with new technology I might check the local shops to see if I can try one.

Mac Daddy · May 10, 2009, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lowfat

The 7G is a great typing keyboard, it is actually the only thing I use it for. Both the 7G ($130) and Das ($170) are available in Canada. I only wish I could try the Das out somewhere to know if it worth switching.

I just said the same thing to Zardon on the Das keyboard lol ... tough call on what to pick up first.

Zardon · May 10, 2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lowfat

The 7G is a great typing keyboard, it is actually the only thing I use it for. Both the 7G ($130) and Das ($170) are available in Canada. I only wish I could try the Das out somewhere to know if it worth switching.

My suggestion is you DON'T try it out because the 7g will be on ebay and you will be out another $170. Seriously, have I ever gave you bad information ?

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Originally Posted by Mac Daddy

Well see the old IBM keyboards are what I used in college they were built like tanks and I liked them as well. If the Das keyboard is similar but with new technology I might check the local shops to see if I can try one.

Man, you need to get one then, if you are sick of shoddy, poorly made, mass produced mainstream modern keyboards then imagine the old IBM keyboards remade with up to date technology, full mechanical switches and a metal subframe.

Anyone reading this who is sick of the modern style of keyboard, check out the Das professional, well worth the investment if you do a lot of typing and need good tactile responses.

Lowfat · May 10, 2009, 08:22 PM

I was browsing the Gigabyte website the other day and I noticed they also have a mechanical keyboard coming out. Even has macro keys for people who use them.

GIGABYTE - Product - PC Peripherals - Keyboard - Products - GK-K8000

AHHH, just noticed the Das doesn't have media keys. That rules it out right there, I couldn't live without them on the 7g.

Mac Daddy · May 10, 2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Zardon

Man, you need to get one then, if you are sick of shoddy, poorly made, mass produced mainstream modern keyboards then imagine the old IBM keyboards remade with up to date technology, full mechanical switches and a metal subframe.

Anyone reading this who is sick of the modern style of keyboard, check out the Das professional, well worth the investment if you do a lot of typing and need good tactile responses.

Well that sounds more up my alley actually and most of my time is spent typing as I said. I don't type fast as you remember on MSN but I do type alot.

Zardon · May 10, 2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lowfat

AHHH, just noticed the Das doesn't have media keys. That rules it out right there, I couldn't live without them on the 7g.

It is just a pure typists board. Im surprised you use the media keys on the 7g tbh, I hate the way they are implemented with secondary keys. I actually missed the logitech G15 for the volume and media keys when I moved to the 7G though !

Mac Daddy · May 10, 2009, 08:38 PM

Media keys really aren't important for my main keyboard the Elixir has them I could use it strictly for gaming until I can afford a better gaming keyboard like the 7g.

I have 3 machines running here 2 on a KVM switch and I use 2 sets of keyboards and mice.

lepel · May 10, 2009, 08:43 PM

Guys, my mouse has arrived!!!

My impressions taking it out of the box was, wow, this thing looks so cool: simple and black. When I held it in my hands I was surprised with the weight, it's remarkably lighter than my mx518. I prefer a heavier mouse, but once I was using it, I didn't notice a real difference with the mx518, except for how smooth the tracking is on this mouse. Really nice, and I haven't even installed the drivers yet.

Compared to the mx518, the scroll wheel is also a big step forward, and ergomically, this is a different world. I hold the mx518 with the back of my palm and fingetips, but the ikari just fits like a glove. The mouse button clicking noise is also less prominent, which is good in my opinion. I takes some time to get used, switching from the mx518, but so far so good.

I'd like to thank DH for the review and Mac for the feedback, both helped me to make the right descision and buy this awesome mouse. I'm a happy man.

edit: when I move it very slowly on low CPI I sometimes get minor tracking problems, but that's probably my mousepad: Razer Goliathus. I think this mouse needs a smoother surface, am I right?

Mac Daddy · May 10, 2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lepel

Guys, my mouse has arrived!!!

My impressions taking it out of the box was, wow, this thing looks so cool: simple and black. When I held it in my hands I was surprised with the weight, it's remarkably lighter than my mx518. I prefer a heavier mouse, but once I was using it, I didn't notice a real difference with the mx518, except for how smooth the tracking is on this mouse. Really nice, and I haven't even installed the drivers yet.

Compared to the mx518, the scroll wheel is also a big step forward, and ergomically, this is a different world. I hold the mx518 with the back of my palm and fingetips, but the ikari just fits like a glove. The mouse button clicking noise is also less prominent, which is good in my opinion. I takes some time to get used, switching from the mx518, but so far so good.

I'd like to thank DH for the review and Mac for the feedback, both helped me to make the right descision and buy this awesome mouse. I'm a happy man.

edit: when I move it very slowly on low CPI I sometimes get minor tracking problems, but that's probably my mousepad: Razer Goliathus. I think this mouse needs a smoother surface, am I right?

It does fit like a glove and I noted the quality right out of the box as well right down to the black sheathed cord. Glad you got it and have fun man

On the tracking issue and not sure if I posted back but I found the source of my issue using this with the KVM switch. It wasn't the mouse it was the settings in BIOS for USB. Since this mouse has a selectable DPI I would suggest setting the USB speed to normal as opposed to high using this mouse. The mouse is optical and the surface it is on shouldn't affect tracking (I don't think).

Lowfat · May 10, 2009, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lepel

Compared to the mx518, the scroll wheel is also a big step forward, and ergomically, this is a different world. I hold the mx518 with the back of my palm and fingetips, but the ikari just fits like a glove

My thoughts exactly. With every other mouse I've used I 'palmed' it. But with the Ikari because it is so comfortable I actually put my entire hand on the mouse.

lepel · May 10, 2009, 09:05 PM

Thanks, but I'm not using a kvm switch, but I think I found the issue. I had it plugged into the front usb ports of my p182 case, and for some reason they're not very deep: there's always a small part of the usb sticking out. Don't know if this is a common issue with these cases, but it's the first time it degraded functionality of anything I have plugged in there. Anyway, I plugged it directly into my motherboard's I/O, so now everythink works flawlessly.

Time to put this mouse to the test, I say. COD4, here I come.

Mac Daddy · May 10, 2009, 09:34 PM

Cool and I have it plugged directly into a mobo USB port now as well ... have fun man I am off to play some more Tomb Raider soon

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Originally Posted by Lowfat

My thoughts exactly. With every other mouse I've used I 'palmed' it. But with the Ikari because it is so comfortable I actually put my entire hand on the mouse.

Exactly !!

mike2h · May 13, 2009, 06:27 AM

has anybody had any experience with the optical vers of this mouse?

Mac Daddy · May 13, 2009, 01:26 PM

I don't ..... I think Lowfat, Lepel and I all have the Laser version.

Lowfat · May 13, 2009, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mike2h

has anybody had any experience with the optical vers of this mouse?

No but I've heard good things from it. It tracks very similar to the Laser, it just doesn't have the driver-less hardware nor the cool LCD on the bottom.

And regarding the Das keyboard, do the keys pop off easily like the 7G? It is suppose to be a feature, but I often hit the arrow keys, delete, win key, alt, etc too fast and the key goes shooting 6 inches in the air

Starting to annoy me.

lepel · May 13, 2009, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mike2h

has anybody had any experience with the optical vers of this mouse?

I read reviews about it, and it's a very good product too, but apparently it has lift off issues. I find it uglier than the laser version because it has a grey glossy cover instead of the black matte (main reason I picked the laser over the optical ^^).

mike2h · May 13, 2009, 09:22 PM

well we will know soon cause i just ordered it. it was $20 cheaper than the laser, & while that is the mouse i wanted i had a budget i had to work with & if i got the laser i would not have been able to order win home server

i usually set my mouse to one setting & forget about it. while perf is of course a top prioity, so is comfort & durability(ther have been some peeps with complaints out there about the cord on both mice.hopefully that has been ironed out). & the optical offers everythin gthe laser does in those dept.
anyway thx for the info guys.
still saving for that 7g

Mac Daddy · May 14, 2009, 03:04 AM

Cool Mike and on the feedback guys

mike2h · May 16, 2009, 03:30 AM

well i got the ikari optical. and wtf! it is advertised as a gaming mouse but there is no way to chnge the function of the left hand keys from the standars setting - forward/back. & the is no way to assign anything to the wheel. meaning no dblclick or anytghiong else. the wheel does not function as a button- scrolling only.
ergonomics are great as is the perf so far, but how can u call a mouse a gaming devise if there is no customising of the buttons & you lose a button with the wheel?

lepel · May 16, 2009, 08:33 AM

You should have looked at reviews and features more closely. This was one of the drawbacks of the optical (and probably one of the reasons it is cheaper).

Mac Daddy · May 16, 2009, 01:46 PM

I wasn't aware of the differences I looked at only the Lazer version before my purchase.

mike2h · May 16, 2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by lepel

You should have looked at reviews and features more closely. This was one of the drawbacks of the optical (and probably one of the reasons it is cheaper).

if u go look at their site, those differences arent listed. at least not anywhere i could find.
they basically say what the laser can do then talk about how the optical is more suited for fps.
but i probably should have read more reviews more closely. the 2 i skimmed thru didnt seem to have that particular bit of info. plus u really arent(at least me) looking for those type of issues in someting that is touted as a 'gaming mouse'
the lack of middle button is what really stunned me. havent had a 2 button mouse in over 10 years.
hopefully newegg wiil let me trade up. just dont know were ill get the $$ as i used the rest of my budgetfor the next month or 2 on ms home server.

Mac Daddy · May 16, 2009, 07:59 PM

Well see what newegg can do for ya man if I had of known these differences I would have pointed them out straight away.

May 10, 2009, 06:59 PM	#33
Lowfat Xtreme Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Grande Prairie, AB, Can Posts: 4,251 Rep Power: 99	Re: My new mouse Interesting. I've been using a 7G for about a year and didn't think a better keyboard was actually possible. I also use it on a Mac, but I use the alt key as command (as that is the position of the command key on an apple keyboard), so it doesn't both me at all. I would buy the Das if I had a need for another $170 keyboard, and I have my doubts that selling my 7G for a recent price would be easy. __________________ 27" iMac: i5 750 * 80GB X25-M G1 * 4GB DDR3 * HD4850 Stacker: 2600k * P8P67 Pro * 4GB DDR3 * 80GB ioXtreme * 30GB X25-E * (2) HD6950 * Asus D2 * Enermax Revo85+ HWD: (2) Xeon E5649 * EVGA SR-2 * 6GB DDR3 * 8800GTS * 1000W Antec FT01BW: (2) Xeon E5645 * EVGA SR-2 * 6GB DDR3 * GTS210 * Gigabyte 800W Odin GT Storage: (2) Sans Digital TR8M-B * 29TB

May 10, 2009, 08:18 PM	Thread Starter #38
Mac Daddy DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 7,950 Rep Power: 78 System Specs	Re: My new mouse Well see the old IBM keyboards are what I used in college they were built like tanks and I liked them as well. If the Das keyboard is similar but with new technology I might check the local shops to see if I can try one. __________________ "My mom said the only reason men are alive is for lawn care and vehicle maintenance." - Tim Allen

May 10, 2009, 08:22 PM	#41
Lowfat Xtreme Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Grande Prairie, AB, Can Posts: 4,251 Rep Power: 99	Re: My new mouse I was browsing the Gigabyte website the other day and I noticed they also have a mechanical keyboard coming out. Even has macro keys for people who use them. GIGABYTE - Product - PC Peripherals - Keyboard - Products - GK-K8000 AHHH, just noticed the Das doesn't have media keys. That rules it out right there, I couldn't live without them on the 7g. __________________ 27" iMac: i5 750 * 80GB X25-M G1 * 4GB DDR3 * HD4850 Stacker: 2600k * P8P67 Pro * 4GB DDR3 * 80GB ioXtreme * 30GB X25-E * (2) HD6950 * Asus D2 * Enermax Revo85+ HWD: (2) Xeon E5649 * EVGA SR-2 * 6GB DDR3 * 8800GTS * 1000W Antec FT01BW: (2) Xeon E5645 * EVGA SR-2 * 6GB DDR3 * GTS210 * Gigabyte 800W Odin GT Storage: (2) Sans Digital TR8M-B * 29TB

May 10, 2009, 08:38 PM	Thread Starter #44
Mac Daddy DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 7,950 Rep Power: 78 System Specs	Re: My new mouse Media keys really aren't important for my main keyboard the Elixir has them I could use it strictly for gaming until I can afford a better gaming keyboard like the 7g. I have 3 machines running here 2 on a KVM switch and I use 2 sets of keyboards and mice. __________________ "My mom said the only reason men are alive is for lawn care and vehicle maintenance." - Tim Allen

May 10, 2009, 08:43 PM	#45
lepel HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Belgium Posts: 552 Rep Power: 39 System Specs	Re: My new mouse Guys, my mouse has arrived!!! My impressions taking it out of the box was, wow, this thing looks so cool: simple and black. When I held it in my hands I was surprised with the weight, it's remarkably lighter than my mx518. I prefer a heavier mouse, but once I was using it, I didn't notice a real difference with the mx518, except for how smooth the tracking is on this mouse. Really nice, and I haven't even installed the drivers yet. Compared to the mx518, the scroll wheel is also a big step forward, and ergomically, this is a different world. I hold the mx518 with the back of my palm and fingetips, but the ikari just fits like a glove. The mouse button clicking noise is also less prominent, which is good in my opinion. I takes some time to get used, switching from the mx518, but so far so good. I'd like to thank DH for the review and Mac for the feedback, both helped me to make the right descision and buy this awesome mouse. I'm a happy man. edit: when I move it very slowly on low CPI I sometimes get minor tracking problems, but that's probably my mousepad: Razer Goliathus. I think this mouse needs a smoother surface, am I right? Last edited by lepel; May 10, 2009 at 08:50 PM.

May 10, 2009, 09:05 PM	#48
lepel HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Belgium Posts: 552 Rep Power: 39 System Specs	Re: My new mouse Thanks, but I'm not using a kvm switch, but I think I found the issue. I had it plugged into the front usb ports of my p182 case, and for some reason they're not very deep: there's always a small part of the usb sticking out. Don't know if this is a common issue with these cases, but it's the first time it degraded functionality of anything I have plugged in there. Anyway, I plugged it directly into my motherboard's I/O, so now everythink works flawlessly. Time to put this mouse to the test, I say. COD4, here I come.

May 13, 2009, 06:27 AM	#50
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	Re: My new mouse has anybody had any experience with the optical vers of this mouse? __________________

May 13, 2009, 01:26 PM	Thread Starter #51
Mac Daddy DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 7,950 Rep Power: 78 System Specs	Re: My new mouse I don't ..... I think Lowfat, Lepel and I all have the Laser version. __________________ "My mom said the only reason men are alive is for lawn care and vehicle maintenance." - Tim Allen

May 13, 2009, 09:22 PM	#54
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	Re: My new mouse well we will know soon cause i just ordered it. it was $20 cheaper than the laser, & while that is the mouse i wanted i had a budget i had to work with & if i got the laser i would not have been able to order win home server i usually set my mouse to one setting & forget about it. while perf is of course a top prioity, so is comfort & durability(ther have been some peeps with complaints out there about the cord on both mice.hopefully that has been ironed out). & the optical offers everythin gthe laser does in those dept. anyway thx for the info guys. still saving for that 7g __________________

May 14, 2009, 03:04 AM	Thread Starter #55
Mac Daddy DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 7,950 Rep Power: 78 System Specs	Re: My new mouse Cool Mike and on the feedback guys __________________ "My mom said the only reason men are alive is for lawn care and vehicle maintenance." - Tim Allen

May 16, 2009, 03:30 AM	#56
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	Re: My new mouse well i got the ikari optical. and wtf! it is advertised as a gaming mouse but there is no way to chnge the function of the left hand keys from the standars setting - forward/back. & the is no way to assign anything to the wheel. meaning no dblclick or anytghiong else. the wheel does not function as a button- scrolling only. ergonomics are great as is the perf so far, but how can u call a mouse a gaming devise if there is no customising of the buttons & you lose a button with the wheel? __________________

May 16, 2009, 08:33 AM	#57
lepel HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Belgium Posts: 552 Rep Power: 39 System Specs	Re: My new mouse You should have looked at reviews and features more closely. This was one of the drawbacks of the optical (and probably one of the reasons it is cheaper).

May 16, 2009, 01:46 PM	Thread Starter #58
Mac Daddy DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 7,950 Rep Power: 78 System Specs	Re: My new mouse I wasn't aware of the differences I looked at only the Lazer version before my purchase. __________________ "My mom said the only reason men are alive is for lawn care and vehicle maintenance." - Tim Allen

May 16, 2009, 07:59 PM	Thread Starter #60
Mac Daddy DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 7,950 Rep Power: 78 System Specs	Re: My new mouse Well see what newegg can do for ya man if I had of known these differences I would have pointed them out straight away. __________________ "My mom said the only reason men are alive is for lawn care and vehicle maintenance." - Tim Allen