Why Hate Vista?

**Mousey** · May 11, 2009, 11:01 PM

Right i've been wondering for so long why people actually hate Vista so much compared to ancient, rusting, unstable XP.
The reason i've opened this thread here is because i want it to be civil and intelligent. If you think Vista is an inferior operating system feel free to state as which, but post a valid reason please for the love of god

A few pointers for the classic arguments:-

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Vista eats up too much memory

Vista uses new Prefetch technology to pre-cache your most frequently accessed documents and applications into free memory which would otherwise be doing nothing (AKA, "Wasted" Memory) so they open in a flash whenever you want them to.

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The system requirements are too high

XP Is now coming towards it's 9th birthday, if you still run a system that's "XP Capable" you seriously need to upgrade, Especially since the requirements aren't even that high.

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Everything's been moved!

As i said before XP is now aging towards 9 years so you'll be conditioned to going to a single place for your documents and files, settle down and actually use Vista for a week or 2 and you'll see everything's actually in an easier to access place.

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It doesn't work with my hardware

Vista has far extended driver support than XP ever had, The Windows Update database now contains nearly triple the drivers it used to do (Or so i've been told) so the majority of devices will theoretically install themselves with the new "Found Hardware Dialogue" that does most of the work for you unless it can't find a driver. The only hardware Vista usually has trouble locating drivers for are either obscure devices nobody's heard of before (Like a USB Mug Warmer or something...) or absolutely ancient hardware that's been discontinued for an age.

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Vista Sucks!

... /facepalm

Your opinions?

Tyrsonswood · May 11, 2009, 11:07 PM

Why hate XP? if it works on my gear, I use it. I've never had Vista and have nothing against it either. I just don't have the need to upgrade for what I do......... Just sayin.

BlueMak · May 11, 2009, 11:15 PM

You can disable prefetch. I have, just because I couldn't tolerate the sound of the hard drive all the time. The loss of speed when loading an application is tiny (but noticable), but I don't care.

I can think of one bad thing about Vista. How it decides that files will be saved on certain folders on its own. Especialy games for windows labeled games for windows. lol

nicnik · May 11, 2009, 11:26 PM

Well, other than losing a few frames on vista compared with xp, and a tonne of EAX sound issues, I have no problem with vista at all.

My old A64 needs to run vista, simply coz there's a hardware conflict whilst in xp that never seems to go away!

I don't mind XP at all, I will still be on XP if I had less than 4 GB Ram.

BlueMak · May 11, 2009, 11:33 PM

Thought about one more thing about Vista that I don't like.
That you can't change the colour for windows explorer/folders background. Unless you buy Stardock's solution that is, and they ahve an exclusive deal with MS IIRC.
Which stinks.

GigaWatt · May 11, 2009, 11:47 PM

the same answer as Tyrsonswood... if something works fine the way it is, why change it... i just don't see the point...

actually, i did switch from XP to Server 2003, but only cuz it can read up to 32GB of RAM (currently i have 4), and Vista was no good with 32bit audio applications...

but i'm willing to try out Win7...

Mac Daddy · May 11, 2009, 11:56 PM

Really had no issues with Vista Ultimate SP1 here ... issues with XP SP1 are noted in the archives here on DH in case we forget

GigaWatt · May 12, 2009, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac Daddy

Really had no issues with Vista Ultimate SP1 here ... issues with XP SP1 are noted in the archives here on DH in case we forget

agree on that one... XP SP1 was pretty buggy...

CDsDontBurn · May 12, 2009, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mousey

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Everything's been moved!

As i said before XP is now aging towards 9 years so you'll be conditioned to going to a single place for your documents and files, settle down and actually use Vista for a week or 2 and you'll see everything's actually in an easier to access place.

actually....i've been using vista for about 4 months already, and this one i do have to agree on. when i'm on my XP (spare/test) machine at home and my main vista machine at home, there are STILL quite a few things in vista that i can't find nearly as easily as i do with winXP. eventually i find what i'm looking for in vista, but it takes me quite a long time to do so.

this is particularly so of anything regarding networking activities with vista. like i said, i'll find what i'm looking for, but only after several minutes worth of searching.

Judas · May 12, 2009, 04:22 AM

initially the network options and status information in vista was placed differently.... it took me about a month to get used to it.. and now i'm stoked everytime i have to do network work if the machine i'm using is vista... simply cause it's so easy to access. everything is presented right there in your face without jumping through so many windows.... fire up the network sharing center.. and boom... nearly one click access to everything.

OldBuzzard · May 12, 2009, 05:45 AM

Going from XP to Vista is like getting a new pair of shoes. Ya gotta wear them for awhile before they are comfy as the old ones were.

When XP was new, most people found 'getting around inside it' a bit of a challenge too. It's no different with Vista. Once you get past the learning curve, Vista starts looking better and better.

YnHDaRkMaN · May 12, 2009, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac Daddy

Really had no issues with Vista Ultimate SP1 here ...

same here, that's why i like it, because it didn't turn out like everyone said: "OMG it's slow, it devours RAM, it crashes a lot, blah blah"
but... right now i've replaced it with Win7 RC

Cow_160483 · May 12, 2009, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by OldBuzzard

Going from XP to Vista is like getting a new pair of shoes. Ya gotta wear them for awhile before they are comfy as the old ones were.

When XP was new, most people found 'getting around inside it' a bit of a challenge too. It's no different with Vista. Once you get past the learning curve, Vista starts looking better and better.

Ya thats true have been using vista ultimate and not having any issues

**Mousey** · May 12, 2009, 06:48 PM

Windows 7 is pretty much the same as vista but with added eye-candy here and there which is the kind of stuff i like lol. Good to see some actual intelligent opinions on Vista from power users. Thanks guys

Neshi · May 12, 2009, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

actually....i've been using vista for about 4 months already, and this one i do have to agree on. when i'm on my XP (spare/test) machine at home and my main vista machine at home, there are STILL quite a few things in vista that i can't find nearly as easily as i do with winXP. eventually i find what i'm looking for in vista, but it takes me quite a long time to do so.

this is particularly so of anything regarding networking activities with vista. like i said, i'll find what i'm looking for, but only after several minutes worth of searching.

you can always use the 'search' ability, things are found in seconds

I like Vista alot, especially the moving background feature. I use that all the time.
Besides that, I like prefetch, makes accessing files just that tad quicker which is nice. I notice it alot when I use someone elses computer without it...

One thing I don't like is that my windows folder seems to be growing and growing, and soon it will bulge out of the space I apointed for windows. It's already on 28gb and counting.. No idea what does that or how to reduce it back to it's original size..

blown503 · May 12, 2009, 09:10 PM

I use it every day , only for dx10 to run 4 vid processors. I think it sucks because it cost you an entire new program for what? Nothing special about it thats for sure. I can run more memory, whoo. I dont game any better than the single vid and 2 gigs of memory. I know we get a little something for our money but it doesnt seem like very much. We do get to buy more new hardware though!

blown503 · May 12, 2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by YnHDaRkMaN

same here, that's why i like it, because it didn't turn out like everyone said: "OMG it's slow, it devours RAM, it crashes a lot, blah blah"
but... right now i've replaced it with Win7 RC

try it with only 2 gigs of ram then you will know what they was talking about.

**Mousey** · May 12, 2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by blown503

try it with only 2 gigs of ram then you will know what they was talking about.

I run it with 2GB of RAM and it runs fine. What specs are you running you might have a bottleneck somewhere, or perhaps your memory isn't at a decent speed? I notice a slight improvement in performance when i clock my memory up to it's native 800mhz

OldBuzzard · May 12, 2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by blown503

try it with only 2 gigs of ram then you will know what they was talking about.

Vista runs 'OK' on 2GB, but much better on 4GB, and with 8GB it totally rocks.

One good thing to do if you are using 2 or 4GB, is to get a 4GB flash drive, and use it in ReadyBoost...it WILL give you a noticable increase in performance.

CDsDontBurn · May 13, 2009, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Neshi

you can always use the 'search' ability, things are found in seconds

I like Vista alot, especially the moving background feature. I use that all the time.
Besides that, I like prefetch, makes accessing files just that tad quicker which is nice. I notice it alot when I use someone elses computer without it...

One thing I don't like is that my windows folder seems to be growing and growing, and soon it will bulge out of the space I apointed for windows. It's already on 28gb and counting.. No idea what does that or how to reduce it back to it's original size..

i'll have to find that "search" feature you're talking about first though! LOL.

as for the windows folder continuously growing, i'm thinking it could be your system restore that's causing it to grow. what i would suggest you do, is temporarily turn off SR and then turn it back on. Doing this will delete all of your SR points and free up some space. however, i would also suggest that you immediately create a new SR point after doing so in case you're afraid of something happening to your system.

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Originally Posted by OldBuzzard

Vista runs 'OK' on 2GB, but much better on 4GB, and with 8GB it totally rocks.

One good thing to do if you are using 2 or 4GB, is to get a 4GB flash drive, and use it in ReadyBoost...it WILL give you a noticable increase in performance.

i have a spare 1GB flash drive at home i'm not using, and i'd actually like to use that prefetch feature that vista has. what version of vista is needed in order to have that feature? i have vista business if it matters. that, and where do i go in order to enable that feature?

OldBuzzard · May 13, 2009, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

... i have a spare 1GB flash drive at home i'm not using, and i'd actually like to use that prefetch feature that vista has. what version of vista is needed in order to have that feature? i have vista business if it matters. that, and where do i go in order to enable that feature?

From looking at this MS web page, it appears that ALL versions of Vista have it.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...eadyboost.aspx

That page will tell you all you need to know.

A 1GB flash drive won't do much for you, altho it will help some. A 4GB (which is the max that ReadyBoost can use) would be better, and they don't really cost all that much any more. I was just using an 'el-cheapo' 4GB one I got from Microcenter for about $10.00, and it worked just fine.

Judas · May 13, 2009, 06:51 AM

the faster flash drives produce the best results though.... Ones capable of sustained 30MB/s or better and is able to handle ultra small file transfers as well....

some flash drives seem tailored for small files, while others are best for large.... typically whichever they are made for.. tend to suck at the other....

CDsDontBurn · May 13, 2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by OldBuzzard

From looking at this MS web page, it appears that ALL versions of Vista have it.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...eadyboost.aspx

That page will tell you all you need to know.

A 1GB flash drive won't do much for you, altho it will help some. A 4GB (which is the max that ReadyBoost can use) would be better, and they don't really cost all that much any more. I was just using an 'el-cheapo' 4GB one I got from Microcenter for about $10.00, and it worked just fine.

thanks for the link. that was very useful

. however, when i went plug in my flash drive and use the prefetch feature, vista told me that my flash drive isn't fast enough for that feature.

now, that's another reason why, "i hate vista", jk

Al_Vampyre · May 13, 2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OldBuzzard

Going from XP to Vista is like getting a new pair of shoes. Ya gotta wear them for awhile before they are comfy as the old ones were.

When XP was new, most people found 'getting around inside it' a bit of a challenge too. It's no different with Vista. Once you get past the learning curve, Vista starts looking better and better.

Couldn't have put it better myself, I have way less problems with my Vista X64 setup than I ever did with XP

OldBuzzard · May 13, 2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

... now, that's another reason why, "i hate vista", jk

I had a little bet with myself that your flash drive wouldn't work. With it being only 1GB, I was betting that it was an older one that would be too slow.

Jut find youself a 'decent' (doesn't have to be expensive) 4GB one like I have, and it will most likely be fast enough.

CDsDontBurn · May 13, 2009, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OldBuzzard

I had a little bet with myself that your flash drive wouldn't work. With it being only 1GB, I was betting that it was an older one that would be too slow.

Jut find youself a 'decent' (doesn't have to be expensive) 4GB one like I have, and it will most likely be fast enough.

i think i'd go with this one here.

Newegg.com - SUPER TALENT Pico_C 4GB Flash Drive (USB2.0 Portable) Model STU4GPCS - USB Flash Drives

it's small, and cheap. from one of the customer reviews (the video one), it seems to be about the size of a quarter!

jandarsun8 · May 15, 2009, 11:01 PM

Initially, I hated Vista because of the speed of it, networking specifically. Took forever for anything to pop up. I know they fixed that issue with the release of SP1 but I haven't really gone back to it since. I was also having problems with the AdminPak for Win 2k3 server as well. I don't know if that has been fixed yet and just haven't had time to find out. Wouldn't install at all and that was a MS server product. Would have thought they would have tested that one in the beta.

I am running Win 7 at home for testing and it's a lot smoother then I've found Vista to be and most of my work related apps are working on it as well which is a huge plus. As for Vista... Personally, I've just had to many problems to waste the time to go back to try it with a new OS right around the corner.

May 11, 2009, 11:15 PM	#3
BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,465 Rep Power: 349 System Specs	Re: Why Hate Vista? You can disable prefetch. I have, just because I couldn't tolerate the sound of the hard drive all the time. The loss of speed when loading an application is tiny (but noticable), but I don't care. I can think of one bad thing about Vista. How it decides that files will be saved on certain folders on its own. Especialy games for windows labeled games for windows. lol __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

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BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,465 Rep Power: 349 System Specs	Re: Why Hate Vista? Thought about one more thing about Vista that I don't like. That you can't change the colour for windows explorer/folders background. Unless you buy Stardock's solution that is, and they ahve an exclusive deal with MS IIRC. Which stinks. __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

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GigaWatt Now In Color :D Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonia, Skopje Posts: 2,116 Rep Power: 81 System Specs	Re: Why Hate Vista? the same answer as Tyrsonswood... if something works fine the way it is, why change it... i just don't see the point... actually, i did switch from XP to Server 2003, but only cuz it can read up to 32GB of RAM (currently i have 4), and Vista was no good with 32bit audio applications... but i'm willing to try out Win7... __________________ It's not schisophrenia... it's just a voice in my head...

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OldBuzzard DH's oldest Geek Join Date: May 2003 Location: Oberlin, OH Posts: 2,781 Rep Power: 142 System Specs	Re: Why Hate Vista? Going from XP to Vista is like getting a new pair of shoes. Ya gotta wear them for awhile before they are comfy as the old ones were. When XP was new, most people found 'getting around inside it' a bit of a challenge too. It's no different with Vista. Once you get past the learning curve, Vista starts looking better and better. __________________ When looking for a reason as to why things go wrong, never rule out sheer STUPIDITY

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blown503 HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: S. Indiana Posts: 573 Rep Power: 0	Re: Why Hate Vista? I use it every day , only for dx10 to run 4 vid processors. I think it sucks because it cost you an entire new program for what? Nothing special about it thats for sure. I can run more memory, whoo. I dont game any better than the single vid and 2 gigs of memory. I know we get a little something for our money but it doesnt seem like very much. We do get to buy more new hardware though! __________________

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jandarsun8 HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: MN, US Posts: 323 Rep Power: 46 System Specs	Re: Why Hate Vista? Initially, I hated Vista because of the speed of it, networking specifically. Took forever for anything to pop up. I know they fixed that issue with the release of SP1 but I haven't really gone back to it since. I was also having problems with the AdminPak for Win 2k3 server as well. I don't know if that has been fixed yet and just haven't had time to find out. Wouldn't install at all and that was a MS server product. Would have thought they would have tested that one in the beta. I am running Win 7 at home for testing and it's a lot smoother then I've found Vista to be and most of my work related apps are working on it as well which is a huge plus. As for Vista... Personally, I've just had to many problems to waste the time to go back to try it with a new OS right around the corner. __________________