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Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
hey guys..... as my system is beginning to show more and more age...... im thinking to upgrade.....
after looking at the current cost of things...... it would cost $600 to upgrade to an i7 920 with somewhat respectable mobo and RAM i can however get a Q9550 for around $220 and slap it in for a performance increase and buy 8GB of OCZ DDR2 1200mhz for around $160 if i want to get back into overclocking.... then i can use the extra cash for a new GPU or 2 when DX11 cards hit what do you guys think? is LGA 775 now dead or can more be done and still be worthwhile?
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
Your current base is fine for a good while still, you could even keep the RAM unless you hope to overclock the Q9550 a lot. It's still good enough for some overclocking and 6GB or 8GB won't make much of a difference. Then one of those future graphics cards and you're set to game to your hearts content.
The only short term advantage I can imagine for the i5 platform would be if Intel are able to make faster and less expensive quad cores for it. |
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
thats exactly my concern...... looking at MSRPs the i5 is going to be $180 more or less and while it doesnt have HT technology, it probably would OC like crazy on some nice DDR3...
but whether the performance is enough to ditch what i have is something else....
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
Depends on how much and for what you need the extra performance that you might get...
I was in the same place last year when I was deciding between waiting a couple of weeks for the i7 or buying the Q9550. I decided to not wait and I haven't felt it was a bad move yet. The Q9550 is a powerful cpu. Is the i5 going to be in real life so much better? If you already plan on buying DX11 cards, I would get the Q now. Of course, it also depends on what are your upgrade plans for the future after this purchase (be it i5 or Q9550). How long do you plan on keeping this platform? 1 year? 2? With 2 and more I would see no point in getting the i5. You will probably want/need to get the next best thing by that time and it will probably mean upgrading motherboard too...
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
yea ill probably order the Q9550 (or if anyone has quad theyre no longer using) when i get enough cash. even a Q6600 would be excellent
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
I have a whole system that I am selling (keep forgetting to post it anywhere so I don't know when it will sell lol), that has a Q6600. But I guess shipping to LA is pointless, you will easily find something cheaper there.
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![]() ![]() The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis. |
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
haha yea... ill look into what i can get.... ill probably post in the DH B/S/T if i come up with nothing.
im beginning to think the Q6600 would be a better choice for my current specifications as the low FSB allows for real high clocking and the Q6600 is pretty durable.... saves me from needing to get high MHz RAM
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
dood go wit the 9550, prolly get an E0 revision which will clock more than likely easily to 3.5 GHz, regardless of RAM, closer to 4.0 wit a bit of fussing, unless your getting a hella deal on a q6600 the price difference from retail shouldn't be worth the trade off
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
yea ill probably go that route, currently bidding on a Q6600 on ebay but chances are that that will fail....
im about $60 short so far from the Q9550 but i can get that easily enough in a few days
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
Don't waste al that money on expensive DDR2 (that OCZ 1200 MHz for example). Often a 1:1 ratio is the best in most cases. You won't need expensive RAM for that :P
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
yea 1:1 is good for the Q6600 but not for the Q9550, FSB is way too high.... if i get the Q6600 i wont need high end DDR2 because i can already get good Ghz from it
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
I think I would personally go with a Q9550. Even though the Q6600 is cheaper I think that the Q9550 might be just slightly more future proof as far as you getting some new GFX cards and such. Just thinking about preventing any (whatsoever) future bottlenecking.
but I'm no Intel expert by a LONG shot
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
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at stock speeds, the q9550 runs at 1333Mhz FSB (which you know) and you gotta divde that by 4. so 1333/4 = 333. 333Mhz is the base speed of the FSB, thus, you can run your memory at 667Mhz for a 1:1 ratio with the q9550. why 667Mhz? because remember, 667Mhz is the speed of the memory after the multiplier of 2 (333.5*2 = 667). the memory has a base speed of 333Mhz but because it's double data rate, it runs at a speed of 667Mhz. so, if you want to get into OCing and continue to keep your 1:1 ratio and do a simple OC to 3.4Ghz at a 1:1 ratio, then simply increasing the CPU's FSB to 1600Mhz (base speed of 400Mhz) and the RAM to 800Mhz (base speed 400Mhz), then you are effectively running at a 1:1 ratio still. This happens because, as you probably already know, the q9550 has a multiplier of 8.5 and then multiplied by the base FSB speed. stock: 8.5*333 = 2.83Ghz mild OC: 8.5*400 = 3.4Ghz crazy OC: 8.5*470 = 4Ghz because of this, you don't really need to be running your RAM at ubber high clock speeds for the closest thing to a 1:1 ratio. you just need to know what are the base clock speeds of both the CPU and the RAM. and in my examples above, you simply take the base CPU FSB speed and multiply it by 2. that should then dictate what speed DDR2 RAM you should require. and in doing so, you'll that the "crazy OC" example above would be fine on DDR2 1066 as 470*2 = 940. 940Mhz is still 126Mhz below the 1066 standard and thus still be fine. the other two examples would be fine still with 800Mhz DDR2. in fact, my first example would be fine even with 667Mhz DDR2. 333*2 = 667 400*2 = 800 470*2 = 940 IMO, DDR2 and DDR3 both are nothing but marketing schemes for people to buy "faster" RAM for OCing. why? because people see that a CPU (i'll use intel CPUs here) has, "OMG, FSB of 1333Mhz! i need super fast RAM for it so that it can keep up with the CPU!" no, not at all. people need to know all of the other factors of CPUs (at least with 775 and older...i5/i7 is totally different and i don't understand how those work yet) are to understand why they operate at a certain clock speed and what makes their rated FSB speeds so effing high. just my $0.02 |
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
yea.... i cant go anywhere near 940mhz with my current RAM and those DDR2 1200 sticks are only $80 a set.... ive seen lesser Mhz sets go for more easily....
Either way the RAM upgrade is going to be further down the line, going to have to make due with what i have for now i also did already know the above info (thanks tho CDs ) and that is how i based my overclocking..... with my current RAM, i can only get to 430mhz FSB before crashing (DDR2 860), which equates to 3.65Ghz for the Q9550 and 3.87Ghz for the Q6600..... back when i was overclocking with my Transcend DDR2 1200, i was able to get some very nice FSB numbers around 533+ with enough volts to the NB. it was also very nice having all that headroom in the RAM..... unfortunately they blew up lol i plan to run at around 475-500mhz FSB as my mobo always did great at those levels and if im going the Q9550 route.... set the multiplier to 8 instead of 8.5 that becomes a good 3.8 to 4.0GHz that means ill need DDR2 1000 minumum, shouldn't be too expensive but i will be in no shape to buy it after the Quad purchase.... wanna get GOOD RAM from OCZ and not repeat my whole Transcend issue.... Burnt through 3-4 sets of RAM there....
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
i've been running these clocks on my RAM w/ UD3R since about may or so and before that with the x38 in my specs<- since mid to early 08. i got the RAM from newegg around march 08. Feb 09 my brother got 8 gigs and has been running flawlessly in the x38 @ stock with a q9650, he doesnt oc. lookn to push the bus further in cooler weather. lovn the xeon voltages! eventhou its a SLAWZ C1 its fairly new with a 04/02/09 packdate, an E0 9550 should be pretty good aswell.
RAM: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GB something else to remember in all this is your PSU, going from 65w to 95 w is a decent increase in power draw, don't wanna blow the whole thing up! |
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
nice... thanks for the clocks man will be useful when i OC
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
Why do you want to overclock a 9550? What is it you do that is worth any speed increase from the stock speed?
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
any reason not to?
but seriously.... there isnt too much reason, except that my e6550 has always been a bottleneck in gaming even at 3.0GHz...in crysis multiplayer, if things get too heated, my CPU spikes to full load and i lag... thats at minimum settings which can get really frustrating..... im sure the quad can handle it without OCing but its good to have the option considering how old this stuff is..........
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
LMAO!!
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
well i officially ordered a new-in-box Q9550 off ebay for $210...... not too shabby.......
hope its E0 tho..... but i guess i can live with C1
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
cool kris, best of luk with it!
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
Good luck with it! Let us know how it all pans out
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btw, I can run Crysis with medium/high settings with an E6850 at stock. (didn't tested with overclock yet) and it ran smooth. I think there's a problem with your connection then that causes high cpu-load. |
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
no its just that i play on modded servers where the speed is alot higher.... if everyone plays normally theres hardly any issue but if im fighting multiple people...... the CPU reads 100% and it hurts
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Re: Stay with LGA775 or move to i5/i7?
with state taxes at 9.5%, that's only an additional $9.50 per $100. i would save an extra $30 ($10 for the price difference and $20 for the taxes) for the CPU from newegg than getting it from ebay still, lol.
idk, i guess i'm just anti ebay purchasing
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