i5 750 vs. 955/965 BE: Photoshop 8GB/4GB

A Desire to Game · Oct 6, 2009, 06:11 AM

I was looking at Photoshop benchmarks from a ways back and noticed quite the discrepancy in numbers between the same processors. The test systems are comparable besides one main difference...4GB versus 8GB of RAM.

The 965BE was tested with 4x2gb Corsair Dominator DDR3-1600 RAM in one test and yielded a score of 220.5 (besting almost everything). In another test, it scored 261.5 with 2x2GB Corsair Dominator DDR2-1066.

Is 4GB of RAM making that huge of a difference?

I would really like to see a benchmark of the i5 750 with 8GB of RAM with Turbo Boost Mode enabled.

Is an OC 955 BE at ~$185 a better deal than ~$199 i5 750 with lack of hyper threading in Photoshop and overall?

Judas · Oct 6, 2009, 08:22 PM

1066 ddr2 vs 1600 ddr3 would also make a significant difference.

i will say that yes.... 4gb vs 8gb i've seen considerable faster results

A Desire to Game · Oct 7, 2009, 05:12 PM

I wonder how the i5 750 (w/ Gigabyte UD6) or i7 920 would do with 12GB of RAM on the Driverheaven benchmark compared to AMD CPU's with their mobos maxed out with 8GB of RAM?

A Desire to Game · Oct 8, 2009, 04:35 AM

What would you go with and why?

i5 750 or Phenom II X4 955 BE?

OldBuzzard · Oct 8, 2009, 12:07 PM

Personally, I'd go with the 955BE, but then I'm an AMD fanboi

To tell the truth, I'm thinking that in 'real world' use you aren't going to be able to tell the difference between the two.

I'd say go with the CPU brand that you feel more 'comfortable' with.

Judas · Oct 8, 2009, 04:34 PM

personally i'd spend a little bit more and get the low end i7 8xx cpu to jam into the 11xx socket (i can't remember the last digits off hand suddenly) as it is quite an amazing chip

Optix · Oct 8, 2009, 04:44 PM

Athlon II X4's are looking mighty find for $100. There was a review that did a test against a Phenom II X4 and it held it's own pretty well, even with a small amount of L2 cache and no L3 cache.

I'm waiting for the i3's to be honest. Low end MSI board, i3 540, ATI 5770 (possibly two 5750's if I go with a low end Asus board) and DDR3 should be cheaper by the time the i3's are launched.

I'm going for small bank/big punch.

Judas · Oct 8, 2009, 08:37 PM

Intels "rumored" Core i9 sexicore or octocore cpu's coming out around the same time i3's show up.. or perhaps will be officially announced around that time.

x68 chipset and probably a new bloody socket to...

OldBuzzard · Oct 8, 2009, 08:38 PM

Yeah, the AIIs are looking VERY good. Great price/performance with them.

By going with an AII, you could use the $$ saved on the processor, and get 8GB RAM which would help the Photoshop.

A Desire to Game · Oct 14, 2009, 05:17 AM

The jump drive came with the power supply so its actually not included in the price.

SeraphicSorcerer · Oct 14, 2009, 05:32 AM

Looks good, add a 58xx and you're good to go

isaak · Oct 14, 2009, 08:14 AM

looks good, agree with seraphic

Takaharu · Oct 14, 2009, 10:52 AM

I can't confirm this but it does make sense.

When you have dual-channel RAM the performance compared to single-channel is significantly higher (I'm referring to 2x nGB single channel vs 2x nGB dual-channel, rather than 1 stick vs 2 sticks). Yup, got that. Ok, so, with that in mind, what if you compare (for example) 4x 1GB, where there's two lots of two dual-channel slots to 2x 2GB of the same spec/manufacturer/etc using just one lot of dual-channel slots? Dual-channel 1, logically, is working single-channel to dual-channel 2, thus decreasing the performance between the two lots of dual-channel.

I hope that makes sense.

So, with that in mind, the tests mentioned previously (4 sticks for 8GB and 2 sticks for 4GB) would make sense. How about if you compared 2x 4GB with 2x 2GB - what would win out there?

A Desire to Game · Oct 15, 2009, 01:06 AM

A 5870 costs more than half the entire build, lol. How do you think the onboard HD 4200 will fair? An HD 4650 1gb is only $55 so I'm thinking that might be a good alternative for this 'strictly' photoshop rig.

A Desire to Game · Oct 18, 2009, 10:30 PM

So I have yet another dilemma. When I thought I had it all figured out my buddy that lives next to a Micro Center said he could get me the i5 750 for $149.99 or the i7 920 for $199.99. Guys...what do I do now? I've gotta go Intel right?

DJ BIG T · Oct 18, 2009, 11:31 PM

dam ram went up i got that same 4ghz kit for $49 a few months ago

A Desire to Game · Oct 19, 2009, 03:00 PM

I know. It's kinda ridiculous when the price of ddr3 is practically the same. Maybe Newegg is running low on DDR2 stock and trying to push more DDR3 instead of replenishing older tech (which I still use).

Takaharu · Oct 19, 2009, 08:46 PM

I did some research a while ago into the performance of processors for the Adobe line of applications, taking into consideration dual-cores, tri-cores and quad-cores for both AMD and Intel (well, except tri-cores for Intel).
For the lower-end of the scale of quad-core processors the Q6600 at the time had a significant performance advantage over the dual-cores. Although AMD had one or two Phenom processors that rivalled the Q6600 in performance the AMD processors didn't go much higher and Intel was at the bottom of the list for Intel's range, which left room for future upgrades. Bear in mind, however, that this was the time when the latest AMD processors out were AM2+.
By the looks of Tom's Hardware, however, it seems as though Intel still have the upper hand as far as Adobe's concerned. A Core i7 920 would do you well in this instance.

OldBuzzard · Oct 19, 2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by A Desire to Game

So I have yet another dilemma. When I thought I had it all figured out my buddy that lives next to a Micro Center said he could get me the i5 750 for $149.99 or the i7 920 for $199.99. Guys...what do I do now? I've gotta go Intel right?

As much as I hate Intel, that's a no brainer. Go for the i7 920.

A Desire to Game · Oct 20, 2009, 05:15 PM

Instead of the i5 750? Do you think an i5 750 w/ 8GB of RAM plus $50 in my pocket would be a better deal than an i7 920 with 6GB of RAM? The i5 with Turbo Boost is rather impressive for the price.

Tipstaff · Oct 21, 2009, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by A Desire to Game

Instead of the i5 750? Do you think an i5 750 w/ 8GB of RAM plus $50 in my pocket would be a better deal than an i7 920 with 6GB of RAM? The i5 with Turbo Boost is rather impressive for the price.

As I mentioned in the other thread, I would go with an i7 860 instead of the i5 750. Higher clock rate, more threads, and more cache. And, when compared to the i7 920, I've seen benchmarks for i7 860, and I still have to wonder why Intel put that chip out as it's faster than an i7 920 on a cheaper platform. Not to mention the fact that it uses 1/3 less power. Check it out HERE.

Save your money, and go with the i7 860.

Oct 6, 2009, 06:11 AM	#1
A Desire to Game HardwareHeaven Hoosier Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 296 Rep Power: 33 System Specs	i5 750 vs. 955/965 BE: Photoshop 8GB/4GB I was looking at Photoshop benchmarks from a ways back and noticed quite the discrepancy in numbers between the same processors. The test systems are comparable besides one main difference...4GB versus 8GB of RAM. The 965BE was tested with 4x2gb Corsair Dominator DDR3-1600 RAM in one test and yielded a score of 220.5 (besting almost everything). In another test, it scored 261.5 with 2x2GB Corsair Dominator DDR2-1066. Is 4GB of RAM making that huge of a difference? I would really like to see a benchmark of the i5 750 with 8GB of RAM with Turbo Boost Mode enabled. Is an OC 955 BE at ~$185 a better deal than ~$199 i5 750 with lack of hyper threading in Photoshop and overall? __________________ Three is my new favorite number. (SATA III, USB 3.0, and triple channel memory)

Oct 7, 2009, 05:12 PM	Thread Starter #3
A Desire to Game HardwareHeaven Hoosier Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 296 Rep Power: 33 System Specs	Re: i5 750 vs. 955/965 BE: Photoshop 8GB/4GB I wonder how the i5 750 (w/ Gigabyte UD6) or i7 920 would do with 12GB of RAM on the Driverheaven benchmark compared to AMD CPU's with their mobos maxed out with 8GB of RAM? __________________ Three is my new favorite number. (SATA III, USB 3.0, and triple channel memory)

Oct 8, 2009, 04:35 AM	Thread Starter #4
A Desire to Game HardwareHeaven Hoosier Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 296 Rep Power: 33 System Specs	Re: i5 750 vs. 955/965 BE: Photoshop 8GB/4GB What would you go with and why? i5 750 or Phenom II X4 955 BE? __________________ Three is my new favorite number. (SATA III, USB 3.0, and triple channel memory)

Oct 8, 2009, 12:07 PM	#5
OldBuzzard DH's oldest Geek Join Date: May 2003 Location: Oberlin, OH Posts: 2,781 Rep Power: 142 System Specs	Re: i5 750 vs. 955/965 BE: Photoshop 8GB/4GB Personally, I'd go with the 955BE, but then I'm an AMD fanboi To tell the truth, I'm thinking that in 'real world' use you aren't going to be able to tell the difference between the two. I'd say go with the CPU brand that you feel more 'comfortable' with. __________________ When looking for a reason as to why things go wrong, never rule out sheer STUPIDITY

Oct 8, 2009, 08:38 PM	#9
OldBuzzard DH's oldest Geek Join Date: May 2003 Location: Oberlin, OH Posts: 2,781 Rep Power: 142 System Specs	Re: i5 750 vs. 955/965 BE: Photoshop 8GB/4GB Yeah, the AIIs are looking VERY good. Great price/performance with them. By going with an AII, you could use the $$ saved on the processor, and get 8GB RAM which would help the Photoshop. __________________ When looking for a reason as to why things go wrong, never rule out sheer STUPIDITY

Oct 14, 2009, 05:17 AM	Thread Starter #10
A Desire to Game HardwareHeaven Hoosier Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 296 Rep Power: 33 System Specs	Re: i5 750 vs. 955/965 BE: Photoshop 8GB/4GB The jump drive came with the power supply so its actually not included in the price. __________________ Three is my new favorite number. (SATA III, USB 3.0, and triple channel memory)

Oct 14, 2009, 05:32 AM	#11
SeraphicSorcerer HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 2,295 Rep Power: 156 System Specs	Re: i5 750 vs. 955/965 BE: Photoshop 8GB/4GB Looks good, add a 58xx and you're good to go __________________

Oct 14, 2009, 08:14 AM	#12
isaak HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 2,286 Rep Power: 112 System Specs	Re: i5 750 vs. 955/965 BE: Photoshop 8GB/4GB looks good, agree with seraphic __________________ The first step... shall be to lose the way. - Galway Kinnell

Oct 14, 2009, 10:52 AM	#13
Takaharu I can fart in 7 languages Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: England, UK Posts: 1,844 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	Re: i5 750 vs. 955/965 BE: Photoshop 8GB/4GB I can't confirm this but it does make sense. When you have dual-channel RAM the performance compared to single-channel is significantly higher (I'm referring to 2x nGB single channel vs 2x nGB dual-channel, rather than 1 stick vs 2 sticks). Yup, got that. Ok, so, with that in mind, what if you compare (for example) 4x 1GB, where there's two lots of two dual-channel slots to 2x 2GB of the same spec/manufacturer/etc using just one lot of dual-channel slots? Dual-channel 1, logically, is working single-channel to dual-channel 2, thus decreasing the performance between the two lots of dual-channel. I hope that makes sense. So, with that in mind, the tests mentioned previously (4 sticks for 8GB and 2 sticks for 4GB) would make sense. How about if you compared 2x 4GB with 2x 2GB - what would win out there? __________________ I don't get paid to know the answer, therefore I'm far more likely to give you a straight and honest answer. Mods Rig, Box Mods Rig, Folding details

Oct 15, 2009, 01:06 AM	Thread Starter #14
A Desire to Game HardwareHeaven Hoosier Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 296 Rep Power: 33 System Specs	Re: i5 750 vs. 955/965 BE: Photoshop 8GB/4GB A 5870 costs more than half the entire build, lol. How do you think the onboard HD 4200 will fair? An HD 4650 1gb is only $55 so I'm thinking that might be a good alternative for this 'strictly' photoshop rig. __________________ Three is my new favorite number. (SATA III, USB 3.0, and triple channel memory)

Oct 18, 2009, 10:30 PM	Thread Starter #15
A Desire to Game HardwareHeaven Hoosier Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 296 Rep Power: 33 System Specs	Re: i5 750 vs. 955/965 BE: Photoshop 8GB/4GB So I have yet another dilemma. When I thought I had it all figured out my buddy that lives next to a Micro Center said he could get me the i5 750 for $149.99 or the i7 920 for $199.99. Guys...what do I do now? I've gotta go Intel right? __________________ Three is my new favorite number. (SATA III, USB 3.0, and triple channel memory)

Oct 18, 2009, 11:31 PM	#16
DJ BIG T DH FaN BoY Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ORLANDO,FL Posts: 930 Rep Power: 69 System Specs	Re: i5 750 vs. 955/965 BE: Photoshop 8GB/4GB dam ram went up i got that same 4ghz kit for $49 a few months ago __________________

Oct 19, 2009, 03:00 PM	Thread Starter #17
A Desire to Game HardwareHeaven Hoosier Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 296 Rep Power: 33 System Specs	Re: i5 750 vs. 955/965 BE: Photoshop 8GB/4GB I know. It's kinda ridiculous when the price of ddr3 is practically the same. Maybe Newegg is running low on DDR2 stock and trying to push more DDR3 instead of replenishing older tech (which I still use). __________________ Three is my new favorite number. (SATA III, USB 3.0, and triple channel memory)

Oct 19, 2009, 08:46 PM	#18
Takaharu I can fart in 7 languages Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: England, UK Posts: 1,844 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	Re: i5 750 vs. 955/965 BE: Photoshop 8GB/4GB I did some research a while ago into the performance of processors for the Adobe line of applications, taking into consideration dual-cores, tri-cores and quad-cores for both AMD and Intel (well, except tri-cores for Intel). For the lower-end of the scale of quad-core processors the Q6600 at the time had a significant performance advantage over the dual-cores. Although AMD had one or two Phenom processors that rivalled the Q6600 in performance the AMD processors didn't go much higher and Intel was at the bottom of the list for Intel's range, which left room for future upgrades. Bear in mind, however, that this was the time when the latest AMD processors out were AM2+. By the looks of Tom's Hardware, however, it seems as though Intel still have the upper hand as far as Adobe's concerned. A Core i7 920 would do you well in this instance. __________________ I don't get paid to know the answer, therefore I'm far more likely to give you a straight and honest answer. Mods Rig, Box Mods Rig, Folding details

Oct 20, 2009, 05:15 PM	Thread Starter #20
A Desire to Game HardwareHeaven Hoosier Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 296 Rep Power: 33 System Specs	Re: i5 750 vs. 955/965 BE: Photoshop 8GB/4GB Instead of the i5 750? Do you think an i5 750 w/ 8GB of RAM plus $50 in my pocket would be a better deal than an i7 920 with 6GB of RAM? The i5 with Turbo Boost is rather impressive for the price. __________________ Three is my new favorite number. (SATA III, USB 3.0, and triple channel memory)