what do u think of my pc???:/

nzr_sdk · Dec 27, 2010, 02:01 AM

my pc: -ASRock mb p45x3 deluxe socket 775 with intel p45+ ICH10 chipsets (2000 FSB)
-psu: thermal take 550 watt
-ram:4 gb ELIXIR running @dual channel ddr3 1600
-cpu:Intel Core 2 Duo CPU E6850 @ 3.00GHz 4m cache (1333)
-hd:sata2 samsung 8 mb cache 250 gb + ide maxtor 500 gb
-dvd writer: Samsung SH-S223L
-gpu:asus nvidia geforce 9600 gt 1 gb ddr3

what do u think i should upgrade guys and what is old????should i consider something to change???? thx

nzr_sdk · Dec 27, 2010, 02:04 AM

btw i have a windows xp 32 bit is it time for the 7 to come in? will it do a difference??

iPlayer · Dec 27, 2010, 02:30 AM

Maybe the graphics card, but you might be better off upgrading the whole system around this time next year. It really depends on how often you can afford upgrades, and how much of an upgrade.

Neshi · Dec 27, 2010, 03:04 AM

It would already make a difference by getting a 64 bit OS.
You got there 5gb memory in total, while 32 bit can only support about ~3gb of this..

**synthesis204** · Dec 27, 2010, 04:43 AM

You have a very similar build to my old rig. At this point, it's more worthwhile to upgrade (aka redo) the entire system, though something like a GTX 460 or HD6850 could prolong it's usefulness a little while longer.

ET3D · Dec 27, 2010, 09:03 AM

Assuming you use it for gaming, then Windows 7 plus a new graphics card will be a nice upgrade. As Neshi mentioned, a 64 bit OS will let you use the entire 4GB of RAM, and Windows 7 will let you play games with DX10/11 graphics. A new graphics card will let you play at higher frames rates and higher resolutions. You CPU should be plenty fast for most games.

nzr_sdk · Dec 27, 2010, 12:43 PM

im installing windows 7 64 bit in 2 days but i think my graphic card is ok since i played black ops in good quality and everything seems perfect but as u said im not getting the 100%power of my pc because of the ram in 32 bit and if i should buy a new gpu what should i buy an ati or nvidia my max budget is 100€ by the way its a gaming pc

IvanV · Dec 27, 2010, 01:09 PM

What resolution do you game on?

Since that card is serving you well, perhaps you might want to wait just a little bit longer?

I don't know what the prices are in Germany, but, looking at the prices here, with a 100€ cap, your choice would be between a Radeon 5750 and a GeForce GTS 450. The cards are a close match. There is a review here, but mind the fact that these 450s are all factory overclocked and slightly more expensive (with the Gigabyte one being the closest to the reference settings).

If by any chance you manage to squeeze a Radeon 5770 into your budget, it would be a good solution too. Or, like I said, if the current card is still doing well and you're not in a hurry to upgrade, wait a bit and possibly get something better for the money.

nzr_sdk · Dec 27, 2010, 01:44 PM

currenty on 1280x1024 (85 hertz) i have a 19" crt monitor and the prices here are high i bought my gpu for 40 € and it was used but i think that was a good deal but the new hd and gtx series are way more expensive anyway i want to ask if there is a cpu that supports fsb 1600?

IvanV · Dec 27, 2010, 02:51 PM

Only some quad core extreme edition CPUs support FSB 1600, I don't think that that should bother you. For gaming, a 3GHz dual core should handle everything with ease.

If you happen to get a good deal on a Core 2 Quad (Q6700, Q8400, Q9300 or better), that would probably increase the life span of your machine for some time.

If not, just upgrade your GPU and keep it while it lasts. At 1280*1024 either a GeForce GTS 450 or Radeon 5750 should serve you well. If their prices are too high, wait, because anything below that isn't that much stronger than what you already have.

Fantasma · Jan 2, 2011, 05:49 PM

Well, I think that you have a well-balanced system right now, so I think that you should upgrade cpu and gpu at the same time. I say that because I had an Intel Pentium E2220@3,2ghz with my HD3870 (like your card performance-wise) and it bottlenecked my system (specially in minimum frame rates, smoothness and stuttering). I bought the Q9550 and all improved, but my gpu is getting a bit old, although at 1280x1024 (that´s the res I game) still performs very well. After the change, my medium fps increased a bit, but minimum increased quite a lot.

It´s the reason why I think that with a gpu change, you won´t notice a lot of difference because of your cpu (you will have fps dips when playing), but changing only your cpu, I think it´s useless as you have a powerful enough cpu to handle your graphics card.

My recommendation, wait for something better to change all system. Nowadays, your system is enough to play most games at 1280x1024, at least I think so.

nzr_sdk · Jan 7, 2011, 07:02 PM

well i agree fantasma

thanks but guys now i have really big problem!!! i installed windows 7 64x and gaming is worse!!!! i thought with dx 10 and 11 and because 64 bit wil get me full power but it's now worse!!!!! why is the xp 32 bit better?? is that normal??!?!?!?!

nzr_sdk · Jan 7, 2011, 07:08 PM

fallout new vegas and COD black ops are the games i tested it on

blibbax · Jan 8, 2011, 12:20 AM

Somethings gone badly wrong if gaming is worse. Are your graphics and chipset drivers properly installed?

I'd reccomend against upgrading that machine. It's a pretty decent system as it is, so unless you have a lot to spend, which you say you don't, you're not going to get a big enough upgrade to make it worthwhile.

Yes, something like a GTS450 is significantly faster than what you have, but wait until you need it.

I disagree entirely with the suggestion that that system is CPU bottleknecked - if so, something's broken. I have an inferior CPU, and when running it with a 9600GT, found the system to be GPU bottleknecked in all reasonable situations at 1440x900.

Neshi · Jan 8, 2011, 04:43 AM

if gaming is worse, check your ingame settings.

Are you sure you are playing with the same settings in this new OS as you did before?
DX 11 usually has a lot more eye-candy than DX 9 which strains the system a lot more.
Same resolution, visual graphics (shadows, textures)..

iPlayer · Jan 8, 2011, 05:03 AM

His graphics card supports up to DX10.

Is your FNV completely patched?

Neshi · Jan 8, 2011, 06:47 AM

still...
if he's accidentally is using a higher res now than before it's no wonder why he is getting less performance. if graphic settings aren't the case I would look into updating drivers

Fantasma · Jan 8, 2011, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by nzr_sdk

well i agree fantasma

thanks but guys now i have really big problem!!! i installed windows 7 64x and gaming is worse!!!! i thought with dx 10 and 11 and because 64 bit wil get me full power but it's now worse!!!!! why is the xp 32 bit better?? is that normal??!?!?!?!

Well, in xp, you can only play in DX9 mode, while in Windows 7, the standard mode is DX10/11 (it harms the performance quite a lot). If you can´t play games properly, change the ingame settings to DX9 and see if your gaming gets better.

nzr_sdk · Jan 8, 2011, 10:42 AM

my resolution (1024x1280 at 85 hertz)and graphic settings are still the same and i installed the latest driver for my graphic card!!! but also its the same!

and FNV is patched to the latest version but i dont think the game is the problem anyways i'll install now need for speed hot pursuit and see if the same problem is also in it!! and my mb (asrock p45x3 deluxe) is windows 7 hardware ready so why!!!??? i just cant figure it out

nzr_sdk · Jan 8, 2011, 10:46 AM

sry i flipped it 1280 x 1024 **

Fantasma · Jan 8, 2011, 02:43 PM

It seems a game related problem (at least in COD):

Windows 7 vs Windows XP performance in Black Ops. What the heck? - Steam Users' Forums

Some people there say that the last patch fix the bug, some others say that it got worse.

iPlayer · Jan 8, 2011, 06:47 PM

Also make sure your audio/chipset drivers are up to date. Check Asrock's homepage.

nzr_sdk · Jan 8, 2011, 08:33 PM

all are up to date !

Dec 27, 2010, 02:01 AM	#1
nzr_sdk HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: berlin Posts: 25 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	what do u think of my pc???:/ my pc: -ASRock mb p45x3 deluxe socket 775 with intel p45+ ICH10 chipsets (2000 FSB) -psu: thermal take 550 watt -ram:4 gb ELIXIR running @dual channel ddr3 1600 -cpu:Intel Core 2 Duo CPU E6850 @ 3.00GHz 4m cache (1333) -hd:sata2 samsung 8 mb cache 250 gb + ide maxtor 500 gb -dvd writer: Samsung SH-S223L -gpu:asus nvidia geforce 9600 gt 1 gb ddr3 what do u think i should upgrade guys and what is old????should i consider something to change???? thx

Dec 27, 2010, 02:04 AM	Thread Starter #2
nzr_sdk HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: berlin Posts: 25 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Re: what do u think of my pc???:/ btw i have a windows xp 32 bit is it time for the 7 to come in? will it do a difference??

Dec 27, 2010, 02:30 AM	#3
iPlayer Filled with noobsauce Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: between the buns Posts: 1,450 Rep Power: 59	Re: what do u think of my pc???:/ Maybe the graphics card, but you might be better off upgrading the whole system around this time next year. It really depends on how often you can afford upgrades, and how much of an upgrade.

Dec 27, 2010, 03:04 AM	#4
Neshi S.N.A.F.U. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 3,378 Rep Power: 177 System Specs	Re: what do u think of my pc???:/ It would already make a difference by getting a 64 bit OS. You got there 5gb memory in total, while 32 bit can only support about ~3gb of this.. __________________ If one does not attach himself to people and desire, never shall his heart be broken. But then, does he ever truly live? Life is just too damn short for if's and maybe's

Dec 27, 2010, 04:43 AM	#5
synthesis204 Dragonborn Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,175 Rep Power: 97 System Specs	Re: what do u think of my pc???:/ You have a very similar build to my old rig. At this point, it's more worthwhile to upgrade (aka redo) the entire system, though something like a GTX 460 or HD6850 could prolong it's usefulness a little while longer.

Dec 27, 2010, 09:03 AM	#6
ET3D Hopeless Dreamer Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dreamland, near the pool of infinite graphics cards Posts: 3,057 Rep Power: 105 System Specs	Re: what do u think of my pc???:/ Assuming you use it for gaming, then Windows 7 plus a new graphics card will be a nice upgrade. As Neshi mentioned, a 64 bit OS will let you use the entire 4GB of RAM, and Windows 7 will let you play games with DX10/11 graphics. A new graphics card will let you play at higher frames rates and higher resolutions. You CPU should be plenty fast for most games. __________________ ET's Place ET's Place competition list

Dec 27, 2010, 12:43 PM	Thread Starter #7
nzr_sdk HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: berlin Posts: 25 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Re: what do u think of my pc???:/ im installing windows 7 64 bit in 2 days but i think my graphic card is ok since i played black ops in good quality and everything seems perfect but as u said im not getting the 100%power of my pc because of the ram in 32 bit and if i should buy a new gpu what should i buy an ati or nvidia my max budget is 100€ by the way its a gaming pc

Dec 27, 2010, 01:09 PM	#8
IvanV HH Assassin Guild Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,914 Rep Power: 333 System Specs	Re: what do u think of my pc???:/ What resolution do you game on? Since that card is serving you well, perhaps you might want to wait just a little bit longer? I don't know what the prices are in Germany, but, looking at the prices here, with a 100€ cap, your choice would be between a Radeon 5750 and a GeForce GTS 450. The cards are a close match. There is a review here, but mind the fact that these 450s are all factory overclocked and slightly more expensive (with the Gigabyte one being the closest to the reference settings). If by any chance you manage to squeeze a Radeon 5770 into your budget, it would be a good solution too. Or, like I said, if the current card is still doing well and you're not in a hurry to upgrade, wait a bit and possibly get something better for the money. __________________ If anyone has Portal 2 and hasn't played the co-op and wants to do me a favour, let me know (PM me or whatever).

Dec 27, 2010, 01:44 PM	Thread Starter #9
nzr_sdk HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: berlin Posts: 25 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Re: what do u think of my pc???:/ currenty on 1280x1024 (85 hertz) i have a 19" crt monitor and the prices here are high i bought my gpu for 40 € and it was used but i think that was a good deal but the new hd and gtx series are way more expensive anyway i want to ask if there is a cpu that supports fsb 1600?

Dec 27, 2010, 02:51 PM	#10
IvanV HH Assassin Guild Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,914 Rep Power: 333 System Specs	Re: what do u think of my pc???:/ Only some quad core extreme edition CPUs support FSB 1600, I don't think that that should bother you. For gaming, a 3GHz dual core should handle everything with ease. If you happen to get a good deal on a Core 2 Quad (Q6700, Q8400, Q9300 or better), that would probably increase the life span of your machine for some time. If not, just upgrade your GPU and keep it while it lasts. At 12801024 either a GeForce GTS 450 or Radeon 5750 should serve you well. If their prices are too high, wait, because anything below that isn't that much stronger than what you already have. __________________ If anyone has Portal 2* and hasn't played the co-op and wants to do me a favour, let me know (PM me or whatever). Last edited by IvanV; Dec 27, 2010 at 02:57 PM.

Jan 2, 2011, 05:49 PM	#11
Fantasma HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lorca (Spain) Posts: 757 Rep Power: 63 System Specs	Re: what do u think of my pc???:/ Well, I think that you have a well-balanced system right now, so I think that you should upgrade cpu and gpu at the same time. I say that because I had an Intel Pentium E2220@3,2ghz with my HD3870 (like your card performance-wise) and it bottlenecked my system (specially in minimum frame rates, smoothness and stuttering). I bought the Q9550 and all improved, but my gpu is getting a bit old, although at 1280x1024 (that´s the res I game) still performs very well. After the change, my medium fps increased a bit, but minimum increased quite a lot. It´s the reason why I think that with a gpu change, you won´t notice a lot of difference because of your cpu (you will have fps dips when playing), but changing only your cpu, I think it´s useless as you have a powerful enough cpu to handle your graphics card. My recommendation, wait for something better to change all system. Nowadays, your system is enough to play most games at 1280x1024, at least I think so. Last edited by Fantasma; Jan 2, 2011 at 06:41 PM.

Jan 7, 2011, 07:02 PM	Thread Starter #12
nzr_sdk HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: berlin Posts: 25 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Re: what do u think of my pc???:/ well i agree fantasma thanks but guys now i have really big problem!!! i installed windows 7 64x and gaming is worse!!!! i thought with dx 10 and 11 and because 64 bit wil get me full power but it's now worse!!!!! why is the xp 32 bit better?? is that normal??!?!?!?!

Jan 7, 2011, 07:08 PM	Thread Starter #13
nzr_sdk HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: berlin Posts: 25 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Re: what do u think of my pc???:/ fallout new vegas and COD black ops are the games i tested it on

Jan 8, 2011, 12:20 AM	#14
blibbax What does this do? Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 4,230 Rep Power: 254 System Specs	Re: what do u think of my pc???:/ Somethings gone badly wrong if gaming is worse. Are your graphics and chipset drivers properly installed? I'd reccomend against upgrading that machine. It's a pretty decent system as it is, so unless you have a lot to spend, which you say you don't, you're not going to get a big enough upgrade to make it worthwhile. Yes, something like a GTS450 is significantly faster than what you have, but wait until you need it. I disagree entirely with the suggestion that that system is CPU bottleknecked - if so, something's broken. I have an inferior CPU, and when running it with a 9600GT, found the system to be GPU bottleknecked in all reasonable situations at 1440x900. __________________ Donate the spare computing power of your PC to help to cure Alzheimer's, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease and cancer: Fold for HH!

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Neshi S.N.A.F.U. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 3,378 Rep Power: 177 System Specs	Re: what do u think of my pc???:/ if gaming is worse, check your ingame settings. Are you sure you are playing with the same settings in this new OS as you did before? DX 11 usually has a lot more eye-candy than DX 9 which strains the system a lot more. Same resolution, visual graphics (shadows, textures).. __________________ If one does not attach himself to people and desire, never shall his heart be broken. But then, does he ever truly live? Life is just too damn short for if's and maybe's

Jan 8, 2011, 05:03 AM	#16
iPlayer Filled with noobsauce Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: between the buns Posts: 1,450 Rep Power: 59	Re: what do u think of my pc???:/ His graphics card supports up to DX10. Is your FNV completely patched? Last edited by iPlayer; Jan 8, 2011 at 05:09 AM.

Jan 8, 2011, 06:47 AM	#17
Neshi S.N.A.F.U. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 3,378 Rep Power: 177 System Specs	Re: what do u think of my pc???:/ still... if he's accidentally is using a higher res now than before it's no wonder why he is getting less performance. if graphic settings aren't the case I would look into updating drivers __________________ If one does not attach himself to people and desire, never shall his heart be broken. But then, does he ever truly live? Life is just too damn short for if's and maybe's

Jan 8, 2011, 10:42 AM	Thread Starter #19
nzr_sdk HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: berlin Posts: 25 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Re: what do u think of my pc???:/ my resolution (1024x1280 at 85 hertz)and graphic settings are still the same and i installed the latest driver for my graphic card!!! but also its the same! and FNV is patched to the latest version but i dont think the game is the problem anyways i'll install now need for speed hot pursuit and see if the same problem is also in it!! and my mb (asrock p45x3 deluxe) is windows 7 hardware ready so why!!!??? i just cant figure it out

Jan 8, 2011, 10:46 AM	Thread Starter #20
nzr_sdk HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: berlin Posts: 25 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Re: what do u think of my pc???:/ sry i flipped it 1280 x 1024 **

Jan 8, 2011, 02:43 PM	#21
Fantasma HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lorca (Spain) Posts: 757 Rep Power: 63 System Specs	Re: what do u think of my pc???:/ It seems a game related problem (at least in COD): Windows 7 vs Windows XP performance in Black Ops. What the heck? - Steam Users' Forums Some people there say that the last patch fix the bug, some others say that it got worse.

Jan 8, 2011, 06:47 PM	#22
iPlayer Filled with noobsauce Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: between the buns Posts: 1,450 Rep Power: 59	Re: what do u think of my pc???:/ Also make sure your audio/chipset drivers are up to date. Check Asrock's homepage.

Jan 8, 2011, 08:33 PM	Thread Starter #23
nzr_sdk HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: berlin Posts: 25 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Re: what do u think of my pc???:/ all are up to date !