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Jan 4, 2011, 02:53 AM
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Suggestions for a ground up build
The owner of the company I work for is at me to help him choose a system for some game his spouse bought him for X-mass, he showed me this newegg deal for CyberpowerPC2 > Item#: N82E16883229206 I don’t like the case, low on air movement.No way to figure out some of the other hardware quality. So I run the build below, please see Post#6 Last edited by slvrback; Jan 5, 2011 at 01:35 AM. Reason: goofed big time!!!!! |
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Jan 4, 2011, 03:56 AM
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Re: Suggestions for a ground up build
Sorry Oldbuzzard I completly screwed up last night, the laptop diag was getting to me and should have not tried to do two things at once.
Thanks for looking over the mess I posted. Last edited by slvrback; Jan 5, 2011 at 01:36 AM. |
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Jan 4, 2011, 04:25 AM
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Re: Suggestions for a ground up build
The losest cost ASRock board that I can fine that included USB 3.0 is the same cost as the Gigabyte that you listed:
Newegg.com - ASRock 870 EXTREME3 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard However, it does have a newer chipset (870 vs 770) and MUCH better review ratings. You could save a bit of $$ by going with the Corsair 550TX, which would be more than enough for that system. Another place to save a bit would be to go with the PhII X4 955. The .2 Ghz difference shouldn't make much difference in gaming. And if necessary, you/he could just OC it to 965 speeds with almost no effort. At 39.00 you aren't going to find a much cheaper case. However, at the same price, the Elite 330 with the mesh front looks like it could be a bit better for cooling. Newegg.com - COOLER MASTER Elite 330 RC-330-KKN1-GP Black SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
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Jan 4, 2011, 11:56 PM
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Re: Suggestions for a ground up build
thanks Oldbuzzard, the western showed no dif in final cost between blue or black on hdd.
Your right I forgot ram! I edited my mess up from the other night! Added ram and I pulled it down to 725.63usd. Thanks also for running the build, much appreciated!!!! All in all I lack the experience, is hardware compatibility going to be issue in this build? would this build function well as a gamer? Anyone anyone  = please see next post= Last edited by slvrback; Jan 5, 2011 at 01:32 AM. |
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Jan 5, 2011, 01:50 AM
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Re: Suggestions for a ground up build
I see that I made a couple of mistakes in my post concerning the RAM
 For 8GB RAM it should have been 2x of what I posted: Newegg.com - CORSAIR XMS 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory Model CMX4GX3M1A1333C9 For 4GB RAM it should have been this: Newegg.com - CORSAIR XMS 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory Model CMX4GX3M1A1333C9 I'd still recommend this over the Patriot as it's $20.00 cheaper, has better timings, and in the unlikely event that you would ever need it, Corsair's customer support is second to none. Also, for reasons having to do with the Ph II onboard RAM controller, anything faster than DDR3 1333 really doesn't provide any advantage unless you are doing extreme OCing. As for the CPU/MB combo you listed, I don't see any reason that it wouldn't be OK. ASUS is after all, the parent company of ASRock. I don't have any experience with ASUS boards, so I will let others be your guide there. I did notice that on Newegg, the customer reviews for both boards was very close. For the case, that Rosewill does look nice. There again I have no experience with them. However to tell the truth, personally, I wouldn't use either the Rosewill, or even the one I recommended. I only recommended the CM Elite 330 case because it appeared to have a bit better cooling than the others, and was in the same price range. I would HIGHLY recommend that you "bite the bullet', spend an extra $30.00 ($10.00 actually if you follow my RAM suggestion), and get a Cooler Master CM690 II Basic case. Newegg.com - COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN3 CM690 II Basic Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case I just finished building a system for my #2 son using this case, and it was an absolute joy to work with. Plenty of room inside, excellent provisions for cable management, allowing you to hide the cables which makes for a very neat looking system, and also allows for better airflow for better cooling. It also has provisions for a LOT more fans if you want to get really serious with airflow. I'm currently using the original CM690 case, and have a CM690 II Advanced sitting here for my new system that I will be building when I buy the CPU and RAM later this month. As for hardware compatibility, there is no issue that I can see. As a gaming system, it's only weakness, if you can call it that is the vid card. Even then, unless he's running a very graphic intensive game like Crysis 2 at very high resolutions, it will be more than adequate.
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Jan 6, 2011, 10:24 PM
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HardwareHeaven Junior Member
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Re: Suggestions for a ground up build
Thanks Oldbuzzard,you seem to be the only member to respond on this post!
The case is no longer in the picture since he already purchased one, not sure what. "QUOTE"oldbuzzard:I'd still recommend this over the Patriot as it's $20.00 cheaper, has better timings, and in the unlikely event that you would ever need it, Corsair's customer support is second to none. Also, for reasons having to do with the Ph II onboard RAM controller, anything faster than DDR3 1333 really doesn't provide any advantage unless you are doing extreme OCing. Is there any advantage to have 2X2gb over just 1X4gb???? I will rerun the build and post. Last edited by slvrback; Jan 6, 2011 at 11:09 PM. |
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Jan 6, 2011, 11:13 PM
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Re: Suggestions for a ground up build
I'm not familiar with Gigabyte peripherals, but I'm guessing they're decent quality.
A 5770 is a good card for the price, and current tech isn't significantly more advanced. I do wonder though whether there'd be some merit in spending a little more on the GPU if you want this system to be long lasting as a gaming PC. As for CPU and Mobo choice, I can't see you getting anything faster on an Intel platform at that price. You'd have to drop down to a dual core, for starters. Other than that, all seems pretty good 
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Jan 7, 2011, 12:21 AM
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HardwareHeaven Junior Member
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Re: Suggestions for a ground up build
Thanks blibbax for your reply!
The 5770 has been recomended many times in this forum, Well I was just wondering is there a vid card(manufacturer) in the same price range that would be a better choice? maybe something for a few more $ that would be better?? As for cpu AMD is the chosen path, though mobo choices are right in the price point. I like what research on these two I have done but some opinions as to which would be the better I am looking for advice. As stated this build is for someone else so I have some constraints,"hell" I still have not seen him to find out what game he has! i"m just trying to gather up a stronge but reasonable priced build and keep this person away from bigbox! |
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Jan 7, 2011, 12:25 AM
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As for motherboard choices, I'm no expect on AMD boards, but Asus and Asrock are the same company, and I've never had issues with either. If they have a solution with the features you want and a competitive price, it's probably great
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Jan 7, 2011, 12:53 AM
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Re: Suggestions for a ground up build
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2x2 will allow the memory to run in dual channel mode, which will give better performance. Dangit...looks like I posed the wrong one a SECOND time... OK THIS would be what you want for 4GB Newegg.com - CORSAIR XMS 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Ultra Stable Desktop Memory Model CMX4GX3M2A1333C8 As for the MB I'd go with the ASRock, but that's only because I have more experience with them. I'd say the either one would work for that build.
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Jan 7, 2011, 02:26 AM
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Re: Suggestions for a ground up build
OldB is an ASRock and Corsair fanboy. Both justified, though.
The 5770 can play most modern games on medium settings, and most games older than a year on medium to high. If that's good enough for him, then that's all you need. Again, the next tier would be the GTX 460 ($130) or the HD6850 ($160) (about equal performance). After that, you start getting into some more expensive/serious stuff. |
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Jan 7, 2011, 02:34 AM
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Re: Suggestions for a ground up build
ASRock, Corsair. and a 5770 FTW.......
<<<<<< Check my specs
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Jan 7, 2011, 04:31 AM
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Re: Suggestions for a ground up build
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, at least to the extent that I use and recommend their products because in every case, they have performed up to, and beyond my expectations.Oh, you can add the Cooler Master 690 series cases, and the Koolance EXOS to that list as well
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Jan 7, 2011, 10:41 PM
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Re: Suggestions for a ground up build
I love CM and their cases. My Storm Sniper and CM 690 II Advanced are both doing quite well ;D
And oh, fanboyism. How excellent :P |
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Jan 8, 2011, 02:51 PM
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Re: Suggestions for a ground up build
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My idea is medium settings and as he grows into his gaming he can buy up hardware to meet that growth. |
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Jan 8, 2011, 03:16 PM
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Re: Suggestions for a ground up build
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I really need some more education from you knowledgeable folks on this, the more I read the more unsure I am. My focus for this person is to DIY no bigbox. I think i"m on a really good hardware match here in this build, good perfomance for the buck! I'm leaning to the asus if I read correctly seems to have a little more future growth potential. FANBOYISM  yes I suffer from this malady. but this build is not for me so I follow the premise, budget,performance bang for buck and future growth potentail.I do thank you all that reply for your current and future valued input. Last edited by slvrback; Jan 8, 2011 at 04:45 PM. |
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Jan 8, 2011, 03:30 PM
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Re: Suggestions for a ground up build
Yeah, a 5770 has got to be pretty close to the bang per buck sweetspot.
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Jan 8, 2011, 04:55 PM
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Re: Suggestions for a ground up build
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POWERCOLOR PCS+ AX5770 1GBD5-PPG Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 CrossFireX Support Video Card ASUS CuCore Series EAH5770 CuCore/2DI/1GD5 Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support ... PowerColor AX5770 1GBD5-H Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card XFX HD-577X-ZMF3 Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity GIGABYTE GV-R577SO-1GD Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card Last edited by slvrback; Jan 8, 2011 at 05:14 PM. |
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Jan 9, 2011, 04:20 AM
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Re: Suggestions for a ground up build
I know you have a budget, but I just want you to be aware Civ5 is pretty graphics intensive -- you won't get close to max settings with a 5770.
Other than that and given your budget, looks good to me. All those RAMs seem to be about equivalent -- pick whichever is the best price, or whichever brand you like most. |
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Jan 9, 2011, 04:47 PM
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Re: Suggestions for a ground up build
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Jan 10, 2011, 04:35 PM
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Re: Suggestions for a ground up build
Medium should run fine on a 5770. If you wanted med/high, an HD6850/GTX460 is what I would recommend, but for this rig a 5770 looks good.
Edit: I feel silly. If you disable antialiasing, a 5770 should be able to handle Civ5 and equivalents on high decently well. Just realized I'm always used to using x8, x16, or x32 for AA. *hits self on head* |
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Jan 10, 2011, 04:48 PM
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Jan 10, 2011, 05:13 PM
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Re: Suggestions for a ground up build
Eh. The 460 can handle a surprisingly large number of games with AA on max settings (BFBC2 stutters with X16 but I deal with it for the prettiness).
And it's just how I came up -- no AA just seems alien to me. Back to OP -- 5770 should work fine. |
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Jan 10, 2011, 05:38 PM
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I must admit I can't tell the difference between 4xAA and anything higher. I guess it's what you get used to.
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Jan 11, 2011, 12:52 AM
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Re: Suggestions for a ground up build
All of that look goods to me. My only comment would be unless you're looking for a 3 or 4 way crossfire, the single-slot 5770 is a waste. A double slot will be much cooler and much cheaper. If you want to spend $150 on a 5770, I would recommend the Sapphire Vapor-X 5770, which uses an advanced liquid cooling system over the standard fan.
Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 100283VX-2L Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity Otherwise, good to go!
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