Building new PC

Drowningshrimp · Jul 28, 2011, 03:46 PM

Alright guys, a while back i posted ideas on what I should include in my next build. I have finally decided and I will begin to order everything in the next few weeks. If anyone has suggestions or comments, please feel free to share.

I realize that I didn't include a DVD drive. I already have one.

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**synthesis204** · Jul 29, 2011, 02:18 PM

Looks good mate. Just some recommendations:

Get two high CFM/high static pressure 120mm fans for the H60. It only comes with 1 fan, and you'll see much better improvement with 2 in push/pull config.

For the same price, you can get red Corsair Vengeance ram with the exact same specs. I would get that just because it doesn't seem like blue goes with your build (;

Also, do not get that version of the GTX 580. If you want to get ASUS that's fine, but get their Matrix-edition GTX 580 -- it's the highest clocked/fastest version of the GTX 580 on the planet

Just my 2c.

**kris23** · Jul 29, 2011, 05:59 PM

why 3 sticks of RAM?

OldBuzzard · Jul 29, 2011, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kris23

why 3 sticks of RAM?

Good catch.

That's a DUAL CHANNEL board, so he would want either 2 or 4 sticks.

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Originally Posted by synthesis204

... Get two high CFM/high static pressure 120mm fans for the H60. It only comes with 1 fan, and you'll see much better improvement with 2 in push/pull config. ...

With what I'm seeing with my H60, I'd have to disagree with that. I'm using just the stock fan, and am pulling air from inside the case, as opposed to the recommended outside the case, and it's keeping my OCed PHII X6 plenty cool.

**synthesis204** · Jul 29, 2011, 10:39 PM

I don't understand how you can disagree with that. With two high static fans, you WILL get cooler temps, guaranteed. I didn't say the H60 on its own won't keep it cool, but Intels (esp. the i7s) tend to run hotter than the AMD Phenom II's. If he wants to try it out as-is and see if he likes the temps, he should, but if he wants the best temps possible with that cooler, he *should* get two better fans (or a second Corsair h60 fan...you can get them through Corsair).

And yeah, just realized that the 1155 is a dual channel system (d'oh). Get either 8GB or 16GB (I'd get 16GB just because i've hit 8.5GB before doing graphic/video work, but 8GB is probably more than enough).

Drowningshrimp · Jul 29, 2011, 10:52 PM

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why 3 sticks of RAM?

I only wanted 12 GB of RAM and I didn't want to fill up all the spaces with low capacity RAM, in case I wanted to upgrade. I know that dual channel makes best use if you have the exact same RAM running in the corresponding slots.

I decided that I will go with 16GB of RAM.(As of right now, I have 1GB of RAM in my computer).

Soo, it's better to buy the h60 and add another fan, than just buying the h70 or even the h80?

The h60 by its self keeps almost any stock CPU cool, it's just that adding a second fan will increase the airflow in the radiator by using the "push-pull" design. I do infact wish to OC my i7 2600k maybe to 5.5GHz, only if that sounds realistic with the h60.....

**kris23** · Jul 29, 2011, 11:55 PM

OCing over 5GHz with the 2600k isnt realistic at all really....

the thing is that while the core can scale VERY high, the volts required will damage the CPU rather quickly. with my 2600k, i can get over 5GHz rather easily, but the necessary volts wouldve probably fried the chip in a few months....

with such a small manufacturing process, its no longer just about cooling... even if i maintained temps well below 60C, anything over 1.35v will most likely damage the chip...

Drowningshrimp · Jul 30, 2011, 12:34 AM

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OCing over 5GHz with the 2600k isnt realistic at all really....

Hmm, I'll have to find the video, but Newegg managed to pull off 5.2GH'z with the 2600k and the Asus Maximus Extreme-Z motherboard due to it's simplistic design of the BIOS, while using the Cooler Master Hyper 212+

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**kris23** · Jul 30, 2011, 12:48 AM

yes of course... i can do that too... but how long will the processor last while running at those high speeds?

have you considered that?

Drowningshrimp · Jul 30, 2011, 01:42 AM

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yes of course... i can do that too... but how long will the processor last while running at those high speeds?

have you considered that?

Intel releases many batches of core i7 2600k. The latest batch is revered to as the "C" batch and has the ability to Overclock higher at lower voltages.

If I happen to get one I would guess that I could get 5GHz without hitting 1.5volts

Kris, what do you consider to be a safe voltage?

**synthesis204** · Jul 30, 2011, 03:43 AM

He said 1.35V can fry it. I call BS as I've had chips at higher for longer durations, but he is right. Any overvolting at all can cause damage to the chip...but if I had a 2600K, I'd set it at 5ghz and see what happens. IF it fries...well, that's a $300 chip on your shoulder for later.

**kris23** · Jul 30, 2011, 04:40 AM

after a bit of reading, i came to the conclusion that a bit over 1.35v is the max a person should go with if they wanted a CPU to last a decent while.

what i mean as an extended duration is an operating life of several months to a year and beyond, i do not like frying hardware at all even if its old as it still has value right up until its dead.

yes the CPU can probably run higher than that for a good while but do you really plan on replacing CPUs constantly? i personally will not be approaching 1.4v for my turbo clock OCs as i would like to have the CPU working even after its been upgraded from....

the difference in performance between a CPU at 5.1Ghz and at 4.6Ghz isnt enough for me to justify the added stress and potential loss.

with 32nm, damage from overvolting isnt an immediate process but a slow one where electrons begin eating away at the structures of the chip... i forgot what it is exactly called but it is a common problem with current bins as the volts required for them to run at high frequencies is just too much to handle.

if you plan to swap out chips constantly until you get a good bin, you will be able to OC the chips higher without worrying about damaging them from too much use, a good way to work around the issue of a fragile CPU until processes get better.

i personally will just keep what i have until the next generation.

Drowningshrimp · Jul 30, 2011, 03:23 PM

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i personally will just keep what i have until the next generation.

Ivy Bridge, or socket 2011 is next. Scheduled for Q4 of this year.

**kris23** · Jul 30, 2011, 04:52 PM

Ivy bridge isnt whats coming out with LGA 2011, LGA 2011 is currently just the higher end version of the current Sandy Bridge mainstream CPU and chipsets known as Sandy Bridge-E.

Ivy Bridge is still a going to take awhile as the 22nm process hasn't even been applied yet.

knowing intel, itll be released in the middle of 2012 im sure.

**synthesis204** · Jul 30, 2011, 08:59 PM

Ivy Bridge will be socket 2011 along with high-end Sandybridges, and 1155 will remain mid to low end Sandybridges.

Just my 2c.

Drowningshrimp · Jul 30, 2011, 09:18 PM

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Ivy Bridge will be socket 2011 along with high-end Sandybridges, and 1155 will remain mid to low end Sandybridges.

Just my 2c.

This is really what I meant, sorry for being unclear. Do my choice of motherboard seem ok?

**synthesis204** · Jul 30, 2011, 11:34 PM

It does, but you won't be able to put a high-end Sandybridge or Ivybridge in it (to be fair, a 2600K is the fastest CPU on the market at the moment, so it really shouldn't matter anyway).

Drowningshrimp · Jul 31, 2011, 12:05 AM

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(to be fair, a 2600K is the fastest CPU on the market at the moment, so it really shouldn't matter anyway).

Really, faster than the i7 extreme processors?

**synthesis204** · Jul 31, 2011, 01:52 AM

It's faster than the 965 Extreme, and can go toe to toe with the 980X and 990X in terms of speed (the 980X and 990X win in terms of multitasking/mutlithreaded applications). As a 980X owner...bleh.

Drowningshrimp · Jul 31, 2011, 01:59 AM

Ahh I gotcha....more cores=more/better multitasking; while the 2600k wins in terms of speed because it has a faster speed per/core?

**synthesis204** · Jul 31, 2011, 03:09 AM

That, and they've mastered the 32nm die. With the 980X/990X, they had just started making 32nm...it runs hotter and is more fragile than the 2600K. You can OC the 2600K much easier and much higher than either the 980X or 990X.

Drowningshrimp · Jul 31, 2011, 04:03 AM

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That, and they've mastered the 32nm die. With the 980X/990X, they had just started making 32nm...it runs hotter and is more fragile than the 2600K. You can OC the 2600K much easier and much higher than either the 980X or 990X.

Ahh, and with the upcoming 22nm in the Ivy Bridge, and the tri-gate transistors, it will be faster without consuming that much energy/wattage.

I will order all my parts and do some crazy overclocking and benchmarks.
I'll be willing to do a live stream if some hardwareheaven people could join?
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Jul 28, 2011, 03:46 PM	#1
Drowningshrimp HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Lousiania, U.S Posts: 108 Rep Power: 0	Building new PC Alright guys, a while back i posted ideas on what I should include in my next build. I have finally decided and I will begin to order everything in the next few weeks. If anyone has suggestions or comments, please feel free to share. I realize that I didn't include a DVD drive. I already have one. Newegg.com - Once You Know, You Newegg

Jul 29, 2011, 02:18 PM	#2
synthesis204 Dragonborn Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,175 Rep Power: 97 System Specs	Re: Building new PC Looks good mate. Just some recommendations: Get two high CFM/high static pressure 120mm fans for the H60. It only comes with 1 fan, and you'll see much better improvement with 2 in push/pull config. For the same price, you can get red Corsair Vengeance ram with the exact same specs. I would get that just because it doesn't seem like blue goes with your build (; Also, do not get that version of the GTX 580. If you want to get ASUS that's fine, but get their Matrix-edition GTX 580 -- it's the highest clocked/fastest version of the GTX 580 on the planet Just my 2c. __________________ Donate the spare computing power of your PC to help to cure alzheimers, ALS, huntington's, parkinson's disease and cancer: Fold for HH!

Jul 29, 2011, 05:59 PM	#3
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,018 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Re: Building new PC why 3 sticks of RAM? __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Jul 29, 2011, 10:39 PM	#5
synthesis204 Dragonborn Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,175 Rep Power: 97 System Specs	Re: Building new PC I don't understand how you can disagree with that. With two high static fans, you WILL get cooler temps, guaranteed. I didn't say the H60 on its own won't keep it cool, but Intels (esp. the i7s) tend to run hotter than the AMD Phenom II's. If he wants to try it out as-is and see if he likes the temps, he should, but if he wants the best temps possible with that cooler, he should get two better fans (or a second Corsair h60 fan...you can get them through Corsair). And yeah, just realized that the 1155 is a dual channel system (d'oh). Get either 8GB or 16GB (I'd get 16GB just because i've hit 8.5GB before doing graphic/video work, but 8GB is probably more than enough). __________________ Donate the spare computing power of your PC to help to cure alzheimers, ALS, huntington's, parkinson's disease and cancer: Fold for HH!

Jul 29, 2011, 11:55 PM	#7
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,018 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Re: Building new PC OCing over 5GHz with the 2600k isnt realistic at all really.... the thing is that while the core can scale VERY high, the volts required will damage the CPU rather quickly. with my 2600k, i can get over 5GHz rather easily, but the necessary volts wouldve probably fried the chip in a few months.... with such a small manufacturing process, its no longer just about cooling... even if i maintained temps well below 60C, anything over 1.35v will most likely damage the chip... __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Jul 30, 2011, 12:48 AM	#9
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,018 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Re: Building new PC yes of course... i can do that too... but how long will the processor last while running at those high speeds? have you considered that? __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Jul 30, 2011, 03:43 AM	#11
synthesis204 Dragonborn Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,175 Rep Power: 97 System Specs	Re: Building new PC He said 1.35V can fry it. I call BS as I've had chips at higher for longer durations, but he is right. Any overvolting at all can cause damage to the chip...but if I had a 2600K, I'd set it at 5ghz and see what happens. IF it fries...well, that's a $300 chip on your shoulder for later. __________________ Donate the spare computing power of your PC to help to cure alzheimers, ALS, huntington's, parkinson's disease and cancer: Fold for HH!

Jul 30, 2011, 04:40 AM	#12
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,018 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Re: Building new PC after a bit of reading, i came to the conclusion that a bit over 1.35v is the max a person should go with if they wanted a CPU to last a decent while. what i mean as an extended duration is an operating life of several months to a year and beyond, i do not like frying hardware at all even if its old as it still has value right up until its dead. yes the CPU can probably run higher than that for a good while but do you really plan on replacing CPUs constantly? i personally will not be approaching 1.4v for my turbo clock OCs as i would like to have the CPU working even after its been upgraded from.... the difference in performance between a CPU at 5.1Ghz and at 4.6Ghz isnt enough for me to justify the added stress and potential loss. with 32nm, damage from overvolting isnt an immediate process but a slow one where electrons begin eating away at the structures of the chip... i forgot what it is exactly called but it is a common problem with current bins as the volts required for them to run at high frequencies is just too much to handle. if you plan to swap out chips constantly until you get a good bin, you will be able to OC the chips higher without worrying about damaging them from too much use, a good way to work around the issue of a fragile CPU until processes get better. i personally will just keep what i have until the next generation. __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Jul 30, 2011, 04:52 PM	#14
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,018 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Re: Building new PC Ivy bridge isnt whats coming out with LGA 2011, LGA 2011 is currently just the higher end version of the current Sandy Bridge mainstream CPU and chipsets known as Sandy Bridge-E. Ivy Bridge is still a going to take awhile as the 22nm process hasn't even been applied yet. knowing intel, itll be released in the middle of 2012 im sure. __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Jul 30, 2011, 08:59 PM	#15
synthesis204 Dragonborn Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,175 Rep Power: 97 System Specs	Re: Building new PC Ivy Bridge will be socket 2011 along with high-end Sandybridges, and 1155 will remain mid to low end Sandybridges. Just my 2c. __________________ Donate the spare computing power of your PC to help to cure alzheimers, ALS, huntington's, parkinson's disease and cancer: Fold for HH!

Jul 30, 2011, 11:34 PM	#17
synthesis204 Dragonborn Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,175 Rep Power: 97 System Specs	Re: Building new PC It does, but you won't be able to put a high-end Sandybridge or Ivybridge in it (to be fair, a 2600K is the fastest CPU on the market at the moment, so it really shouldn't matter anyway). __________________ Donate the spare computing power of your PC to help to cure alzheimers, ALS, huntington's, parkinson's disease and cancer: Fold for HH!

Jul 31, 2011, 01:52 AM	#19
synthesis204 Dragonborn Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,175 Rep Power: 97 System Specs	Re: Building new PC It's faster than the 965 Extreme, and can go toe to toe with the 980X and 990X in terms of speed (the 980X and 990X win in terms of multitasking/mutlithreaded applications). As a 980X owner...bleh. __________________ Donate the spare computing power of your PC to help to cure alzheimers, ALS, huntington's, parkinson's disease and cancer: Fold for HH!

Jul 31, 2011, 01:59 AM	Thread Starter #20
Drowningshrimp HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Lousiania, U.S Posts: 108 Rep Power: 0	Re: Building new PC Ahh I gotcha....more cores=more/better multitasking; while the 2600k wins in terms of speed because it has a faster speed per/core?

Jul 31, 2011, 03:09 AM	#21
synthesis204 Dragonborn Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,175 Rep Power: 97 System Specs	Re: Building new PC That, and they've mastered the 32nm die. With the 980X/990X, they had just started making 32nm...it runs hotter and is more fragile than the 2600K. You can OC the 2600K much easier and much higher than either the 980X or 990X. __________________ Donate the spare computing power of your PC to help to cure alzheimers, ALS, huntington's, parkinson's disease and cancer: Fold for HH!