New extreme optimizations from ATi, Nvidia?

studbagel9 · Aug 6, 2003, 04:26 AM

http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardwa...view/page4.asp

What do you guys think?

digitalwanderer · Aug 6, 2003, 05:10 AM

"Welcome to two weeks ago."

BWX · Aug 6, 2003, 05:25 AM

It's been pretty much hashed out, but some people still don't believe that Nvida has any optimizations for UT2k3 on the GFFX. Really.

studbagel9 · Aug 6, 2003, 06:08 AM

lol Dig I hadn't seen anything on the news page so I thought maybe somehow 30,000 + users missed it

The_Neon_Cowboy · Aug 6, 2003, 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by digitalwanderer
"Welcome to two weeks ago."

ROFL i am with ya there

reno · Aug 7, 2003, 04:29 PM

Any exactly how are you going to notice the "harsh mipmap transitions" when you're running around a 16 player deathmatch at top speed???

Image quality is so subjective, and hell, if you can't notice a difference using "quasi-trilinear" filtering...then who cares?

JavaFox · Aug 7, 2003, 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by reno
Any exactly how are you going to notice the "harsh mipmap transitions" when you're running around a 16 player deathmatch at top speed???

Image quality is so subjective, and hell, if you can't notice a difference using "quasi-trilinear" filtering...then who cares?

Your point is well-taken, but I think the problem here is that both manufacturers advertise that they use trillinear filtering even though, as I understand it, they don't. It is bad form. Would you not complain if you bought a P4 2.4C only to find that, despite what it says on the box, it doesn't support Hyperthreading? Of course you would. Would you be able to tell the difference? Probably not. So how is that different?

reno · Aug 8, 2003, 02:11 AM

My friend just bought a Gainward golden sample and it doesn't advertise trilinear filtering at all (unless I'm missing it)...or do you mean "advertising" through reviews sites and such?

I guess my point is, if it still looks good, and performs well, who cares if it's not done to a multi-year old standard algorithm? ATI did DX9 shaders differently than nVidia...so what? They both have their own method of anisotropic filtering...so what?

Honestly, I've dealt with computers for 11 years, and I've owned everything from a ATI128, Voodoo1, Riva TNT, Geforce 1,2, and 3 to an ATI Radeon 8500 and I've seen the new Geforce FX 5900 Ultra in action compared to a Radeon 9800 Pro (on a BEAUTIFUL cornerstone trinitron 22 incher)...there is hardly any discernable difference between the dang things!

I'm also the guy that found every misaligned texture in Halflife...I make all my website images meticulously perfect...I'm not just some buffoon on the street...to me, image quality in games at their videocards' highest settings is identical between the two.

End of rant coming up soon!

My final point is this, if it looks great, plays great, and doesn't give you an STD...by all means, don't knock it!

(as a final note, my brother has the radeon now and my friend uses the fx...doom 3 has never looked so good! meanwhile, I've decided to wait as long as possible before making a new computer...relegating me to a geforce 3 ti500 on an aging 1.7ghz P4...sigh...at least unreal 2 runs really well...I hope I can hold out 'till halflife 2...sigh...that looks so [SIZE=xx-large]-RENO HAS BEEN PUNCHED FOR RAMBLING[/SIZE]

brazilian · Aug 8, 2003, 02:28 AM

nice thoughts.. I think the same way as you.

BWX · Aug 8, 2003, 04:12 AM

I think ATI looks better than Nvida to me. When I got my 9700pro and started playing games at full quality settings (because my it4200 couldn't handle it - even at 315/600) I could not believe the difference in quality. Even antialiasing looks better on the ATI. 2x looks like Nvidia's 4X to me, and the quality setting in Aniso is soo much better on ATI. I can really tell the difference.

XxStichesxX · Aug 8, 2003, 04:51 AM

i never saw it becouse the news on the site is constantly being pushed down from useless news posts .. *hint hint*

Kgentatszu] · Aug 8, 2003, 10:18 AM

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Originally posted by BWX232
I think ATI looks better than Nvida to me. When I got my 9700pro and started playing games at full quality settings (because my it4200 couldn't handle it - even at 315/600) I could not believe the difference in quality. Even antialiasing looks better on the ATI. 2x looks like Nvidia's 4X to me, and the quality setting in Aniso is soo much better on ATI. I can really tell the difference.

Yup, i totally agree! hey, my previous card was ti42008X (@290/600) too, with AA and AF turned off, i can really feel the difference but not that obvious though, you have to look very closely...............anyway, i think that Nvidia has improved a lot in IQ on their 5900 series...everyone's improving~LOL

Aug 6, 2003, 04:26 AM	#1
studbagel9 Rolling the Hard Six Join Date: May 2003 Location: Lock Haven, PA Posts: 767 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	New extreme optimizations from ATi, Nvidia? http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardwa...view/page4.asp What do you guys think? __________________

Aug 6, 2003, 05:10 AM	#2
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	"Welcome to two weeks ago." __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Aug 6, 2003, 05:25 AM	#3
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	It's been pretty much hashed out, but some people still don't believe that Nvida has any optimizations for UT2k3 on the GFFX. Really. __________________

Aug 6, 2003, 06:08 AM	Thread Starter #4
studbagel9 Rolling the Hard Six Join Date: May 2003 Location: Lock Haven, PA Posts: 767 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	lol Dig I hadn't seen anything on the news page so I thought maybe somehow 30,000 + users missed it __________________

Aug 7, 2003, 04:29 PM	#6
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	dhgfsd Any exactly how are you going to notice the "harsh mipmap transitions" when you're running around a 16 player deathmatch at top speed??? Image quality is so subjective, and hell, if you can't notice a difference using "quasi-trilinear" filtering...then who cares?

Aug 8, 2003, 02:11 AM	#8
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	dfged My friend just bought a Gainward golden sample and it doesn't advertise trilinear filtering at all (unless I'm missing it)...or do you mean "advertising" through reviews sites and such? I guess my point is, if it still looks good, and performs well, who cares if it's not done to a multi-year old standard algorithm? ATI did DX9 shaders differently than nVidia...so what? They both have their own method of anisotropic filtering...so what? Honestly, I've dealt with computers for 11 years, and I've owned everything from a ATI128, Voodoo1, Riva TNT, Geforce 1,2, and 3 to an ATI Radeon 8500 and I've seen the new Geforce FX 5900 Ultra in action compared to a Radeon 9800 Pro (on a BEAUTIFUL cornerstone trinitron 22 incher)...there is hardly any discernable difference between the dang things! I'm also the guy that found every misaligned texture in Halflife...I make all my website images meticulously perfect...I'm not just some buffoon on the street...to me, image quality in games at their videocards' highest settings is identical between the two. End of rant coming up soon! My final point is this, if it looks great, plays great, and doesn't give you an STD...by all means, don't knock it! (as a final note, my brother has the radeon now and my friend uses the fx...doom 3 has never looked so good! meanwhile, I've decided to wait as long as possible before making a new computer...relegating me to a geforce 3 ti500 on an aging 1.7ghz P4...sigh...at least unreal 2 runs really well...I hope I can hold out 'till halflife 2...sigh...that looks so [SIZE=xx-large]-RENO HAS BEEN PUNCHED FOR RAMBLING[/SIZE]

Aug 8, 2003, 02:28 AM	#9
brazilian DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Brazil - Sâo Paulo Posts: 77 Rep Power: 0	nice thoughts.. I think the same way as you. __________________ A7V133 Rev 1.05 BrazilianTech 1010b Expert Bios 2200+ Tbred-b @ 2.26Ghz \| Vcore-1.7 \| 134x17 - most stable setting so far Thermaltake Volcano 7+ @ Medium ATI Radeon 9500 128mb SoftModed to 9700 @ 310mem/350clock Micron 768mb PC133 SoundBlaster Live! Value @ pci#3 Maxtor 30Gb 7200rpm 2mb cache ATA100 Troni FullTower Case with 500W Power suply + 3 80mm Case fans Slackware 8.1 & Windows Xp Pro Sp1

Aug 8, 2003, 04:12 AM	#10
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	I think ATI looks better than Nvida to me. When I got my 9700pro and started playing games at full quality settings (because my it4200 couldn't handle it - even at 315/600) I could not believe the difference in quality. Even antialiasing looks better on the ATI. 2x looks like Nvidia's 4X to me, and the quality setting in Aniso is soo much better on ATI. I can really tell the difference. __________________

Aug 8, 2003, 04:51 AM	#11
XxStichesxX Courage68 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: My Bed ZzZzz Posts: 132 Rep Power: 0	i never saw it becouse the news on the site is constantly being pushed down from useless news posts .. hint hint __________________ 3DMark06