Similar performance GPU to 9500np>9700

tek · Aug 14, 2003, 09:37 PM

I'd like to know which NVIDIA/ATI card is similar/better to the ATI 9500nonpro modded to ATI 9700.
No matter if it's NVIDIA or ATI, my friend is looking for a card like the 9500nonpro > 9700.

But we cant find any, since newegg sold out, and no other stores have them.

He's basically looking for a card around that budget ($140-$170). GOOD overclocker, good performance, etc.

I was thinking a Ti4200, or maybe a Ti4400? But which one, I heard the Gainward's are good, what about the Win____?

Somebody told me the Win____ (excuse the underline, dunno the rest of the companies name... lol) is a great overclocker.

Care to help out? Maybe post your own Ti4200 specs, OC ability, etc.

Thanks a lot!!!
-tek

~~craig588~~ · Aug 14, 2003, 09:58 PM

I have a Gainward GF4 Ti4200 golden sample and it hits 331/65 (Ugh) It has some sort of wierd ram problem. The core goes nice and high though, from its stock 250 to 330.

I think its one of the best cards to get for OCing. The r9500pro is a pretty nice card too, I don't own one, but it has the same core as the r9700 and half of the ram bandwidth.

tek · Aug 14, 2003, 10:01 PM

Yeah I have a ATI 9500 Pro, Built By.

But it's too much for him, like $185USD.

So your thinking TI4200? What's your 3dmark01/03 score with that card?

~~craig588~~ · Aug 14, 2003, 10:05 PM

I never benched on the system. I built it for my dad to play ET on. Thats all he does with it and he can play it with every setting maxed fine.

tek · Aug 14, 2003, 10:05 PM

My friend just sent me this from an article he read.

Re: Sapphire Atlantis Radeon 9500 implementationI have the radeon 9500 BLACK pcb and the software MOD works fine. The catch? GET A SAPPHIRE CARD! I am running the card @ 325/310(620)mhz no problem. The card comes unlocked in the bios and all you need to do is go to http://www.ocfaq.com/softmod/index.php. Disregard the Warps bios thing. You won't need it with a sapphire. Then get the newest version of powerstrip and overclock away.

~~craig588~~ · Aug 14, 2003, 10:15 PM

It works with all cards, but on the new ones the ram still won't be unlocked.

tek · Aug 14, 2003, 10:32 PM

So why not just unlock it via BIOS flash??

And what do ya think of this Ti4200 (ABIT)
http://www.googlegear.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=324014

He wants this card really bad, but I convinced him to wait a little bit, cause I'm looking at MSI Ti4200?
http://www.googlegear.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=321834

What do you think??

Sharkims · Aug 14, 2003, 10:46 PM

I had an MSI Ti4200-128mb. It was before I really overclocked, but I think I used the tool to push it up about 40mhz core and 20mhz mem. I had two MSI GF4 series cards, they were very nice.
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/produc...il.php?UID=350

The real advantage over the MSI to that ABIT is AGP 8x support.

Vampyromaniac · Aug 14, 2003, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by craig588
[B]I have a Gainward GF4 Ti4200 golden sample and it hits 331/65 (Ugh) It has some sort of wierd ram problem. /B]

65?

Sharkims · Aug 14, 2003, 10:53 PM

I guess I missed the MSI 8x one but,

GF4 Ti4200-128mb-8X - 120$
http://www.zeuspc.com/xcart/customer...9c8d3a086b2c84

Sharkims · Aug 14, 2003, 11:01 PM

Sapphire Radeon 9500np-Red
http://www.axiontech.com/prdt.php?src=NT&item=35115

And possibly, the Black PCB with L shaped memory? I don't know why that would be any different...
http://str8buy.com/incel95fcpga.html

tek · Aug 14, 2003, 11:03 PM

My friend bought a POS FX5600 at googlegear, so he wants to do an exchange type of thing, so the card has to be at googlegear.com.

But let me check that ATI 9500 nonpro red pcb link.
Looks legit by the review.

Thanks for the link, but I still gotta ask ABIT OR MSI TI4200 !?!

~~craig588~~ · Aug 14, 2003, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by craig588
It works with all cards, but on the new ones the ram still won't be unlocked.

Its the same deal with any card not on the red PCB with L shaped ram.

Sharkims · Aug 14, 2003, 11:08 PM

MSI! For the fact, I had the card overclocked enough to singe the stock heatsink the air was so hot. But it still ran strong OC'ed, and is till now. About a year.

tek · Aug 14, 2003, 11:10 PM

9500NP @ axiontech review =/

behemoth on 08-14-2003 Rated this item 5 of 5
For anyone looking for the "L" shaped mem card, red PCB, I suggest looking elsewhere. it appears despite the picture these are the black PCB cards with the 128 bits. At least that's what I received. Best of luck.-B

tek · Aug 14, 2003, 11:11 PM

PLEASE **CONFIRMATION** PLEASE

ABIT or MSI ?????/

EVERYBODY VOTE NOW!!!! JUST TYPE MSI OR ABIT

~~craig588~~ · Aug 14, 2003, 11:15 PM

ABIT! It has the same cooler that the FX uses=extreme cooling=great overclocking. It is also clocked at ti4400 speeds by default.

tek · Aug 14, 2003, 11:18 PM

BUT!!!!

AT NEWEGG.COM

MSI HAS 70 REVIEWS
ABIT HAS 29 REVIEWS

that tells you something doesn't it ?

http://secure.newegg.com/app/Custrat...tem=14-127-070
2 negative, one with 4 stars, the rest with 5 stars = TOTAL 70 something

abit has 20 total, 9 were 1 star, the rest 4 and 5 stars, lol screw abit, MSI it is.

~~craig588~~ · Aug 14, 2003, 11:24 PM

People that buy Abit cards are lazy? I don't see your point at all. Explain.

tek · Aug 14, 2003, 11:25 PM

Quote:

http://secure.newegg.com/app/Custra...item=14-127-070
2 negative, one with 4 stars, the rest with 5 stars = TOTAL 70 something

abit has 20 total, 9 were 1 star, the rest 4 and 5 stars, lol screw abit, MSI it is.

Sharkims · Aug 15, 2003, 12:25 AM

The MSI cooler is an awesome cooler, it's like a Thermaltake Giant II -Heatpipe. Like I said earlier, my card allowed me to OC it so much that the plastic vent on the heatsink get singed. While still remaining strong.

The cooler is actualy a giant flat copper sink with a larger heatsink just off to the side of the fan on the core, the rest of it is a copper sink that is also on all of the memory. So active for Mem+GPU.

Aug 14, 2003, 09:37 PM	#1
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	Similar performance GPU to 9500np>9700 I'd like to know which NVIDIA/ATI card is similar/better to the ATI 9500nonpro modded to ATI 9700. No matter if it's NVIDIA or ATI, my friend is looking for a card like the 9500nonpro > 9700. But we cant find any, since newegg sold out, and no other stores have them. He's basically looking for a card around that budget ($140-$170). GOOD overclocker, good performance, etc. I was thinking a Ti4200, or maybe a Ti4400? But which one, I heard the Gainward's are good, what about the Win____? Somebody told me the Win____ (excuse the underline, dunno the rest of the companies name... lol) is a great overclocker. Care to help out? Maybe post your own Ti4200 specs, OC ability, etc. Thanks a lot!!! -tek

Aug 14, 2003, 10:01 PM	Thread Starter #3
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	Yeah I have a ATI 9500 Pro, Built By. But it's too much for him, like $185USD. So your thinking TI4200? What's your 3dmark01/03 score with that card? __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR]

Aug 14, 2003, 10:05 PM	Thread Starter #5
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	My friend just sent me this from an article he read. Re: Sapphire Atlantis Radeon 9500 implementationI have the radeon 9500 BLACK pcb and the software MOD works fine. The catch? GET A SAPPHIRE CARD! I am running the card @ 325/310(620)mhz no problem. The card comes unlocked in the bios and all you need to do is go to http://www.ocfaq.com/softmod/index.php. Disregard the Warps bios thing. You won't need it with a sapphire. Then get the newest version of powerstrip and overclock away. __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR]

Aug 14, 2003, 10:32 PM	Thread Starter #7
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	So why not just unlock it via BIOS flash?? And what do ya think of this Ti4200 (ABIT) http://www.googlegear.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=324014 He wants this card really bad, but I convinced him to wait a little bit, cause I'm looking at MSI Ti4200? http://www.googlegear.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=321834 What do you think?? __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR] Last edited by tek; Aug 14, 2003 at 10:43 PM.

Aug 14, 2003, 10:46 PM	#8
Sharkims Seen my brain? Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: WA,USA Posts: 760 Rep Power: 0	I had an MSI Ti4200-128mb. It was before I really overclocked, but I think I used the tool to push it up about 40mhz core and 20mhz mem. I had two MSI GF4 series cards, they were very nice. http://www.msi.com.tw/program/produc...il.php?UID=350 The real advantage over the MSI to that ABIT is AGP 8x support. __________________ System-1: MSI K8N Neo Platinum \|\| A64 3200+(200x11) - Zalman 7000A-AlCu \|\| 1x1gb OCZ PC3200@400(3-3-3-7) \|\| 9800XT \|\| WD Raptors 2x36 RAID0 System-2: MSI 875P Neo-FIS2R \|\| P4 2.4c(FSB:200) - Intel Cooler \|\| 2x256 GEIL PC3200@400(2-3-3-6) \|\| AIW9000 \|\| WD SE 120x2 RAID0 System-3: DELL Inspiron 9100 \|\| P4 3.0c(mobile) \|\| 2x256mb PC3200(3-3-3-8) \|\| Mobility Radeon 9700 - 128mb \|\| WSXGA+ 15.4" \|\| 60gb 5400RPM 8mb

Aug 14, 2003, 09:58 PM	#2
~~craig588~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In clothing Posts: 3,510 Rep Power: 0	I have a Gainward GF4 Ti4200 golden sample and it hits 331/65 (Ugh) It has some sort of wierd ram problem. The core goes nice and high though, from its stock 250 to 330. I think its one of the best cards to get for OCing. The r9500pro is a pretty nice card too, I don't own one, but it has the same core as the r9700 and half of the ram bandwidth.

Aug 14, 2003, 10:15 PM	#6
~~craig588~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In clothing Posts: 3,510 Rep Power: 0	It works with all cards, but on the new ones the ram still won't be unlocked.

Aug 14, 2003, 10:53 PM	#10
Sharkims Seen my brain? Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: WA,USA Posts: 760 Rep Power: 0	I guess I missed the MSI 8x one but, GF4 Ti4200-128mb-8X - 120$ http://www.zeuspc.com/xcart/customer...9c8d3a086b2c84 __________________ System-1: MSI K8N Neo Platinum \|\| A64 3200+(200x11) - Zalman 7000A-AlCu \|\| 1x1gb OCZ PC3200@400(3-3-3-7) \|\| 9800XT \|\| WD Raptors 2x36 RAID0 System-2: MSI 875P Neo-FIS2R \|\| P4 2.4c(FSB:200) - Intel Cooler \|\| 2x256 GEIL PC3200@400(2-3-3-6) \|\| AIW9000 \|\| WD SE 120x2 RAID0 System-3: DELL Inspiron 9100 \|\| P4 3.0c(mobile) \|\| 2x256mb PC3200(3-3-3-8) \|\| Mobility Radeon 9700 - 128mb \|\| WSXGA+ 15.4" \|\| 60gb 5400RPM 8mb

Aug 14, 2003, 11:01 PM	#11
Sharkims Seen my brain? Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: WA,USA Posts: 760 Rep Power: 0	Sapphire Radeon 9500np-Red http://www.axiontech.com/prdt.php?src=NT&item=35115 And possibly, the Black PCB with L shaped memory? I don't know why that would be any different... http://str8buy.com/incel95fcpga.html __________________ System-1: MSI K8N Neo Platinum \|\| A64 3200+(200x11) - Zalman 7000A-AlCu \|\| 1x1gb OCZ PC3200@400(3-3-3-7) \|\| 9800XT \|\| WD Raptors 2x36 RAID0 System-2: MSI 875P Neo-FIS2R \|\| P4 2.4c(FSB:200) - Intel Cooler \|\| 2x256 GEIL PC3200@400(2-3-3-6) \|\| AIW9000 \|\| WD SE 120x2 RAID0 System-3: DELL Inspiron 9100 \|\| P4 3.0c(mobile) \|\| 2x256mb PC3200(3-3-3-8) \|\| Mobility Radeon 9700 - 128mb \|\| WSXGA+ 15.4" \|\| 60gb 5400RPM 8mb

Aug 14, 2003, 11:03 PM	Thread Starter #12
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	My friend bought a POS FX5600 at googlegear, so he wants to do an exchange type of thing, so the card has to be at googlegear.com. But let me check that ATI 9500 nonpro red pcb link. Looks legit by the review. Thanks for the link, but I still gotta ask ABIT OR MSI TI4200 !?! __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR]

Aug 14, 2003, 11:08 PM	#14
Sharkims Seen my brain? Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: WA,USA Posts: 760 Rep Power: 0	MSI! For the fact, I had the card overclocked enough to singe the stock heatsink the air was so hot. But it still ran strong OC'ed, and is till now. About a year. __________________ System-1: MSI K8N Neo Platinum \|\| A64 3200+(200x11) - Zalman 7000A-AlCu \|\| 1x1gb OCZ PC3200@400(3-3-3-7) \|\| 9800XT \|\| WD Raptors 2x36 RAID0 System-2: MSI 875P Neo-FIS2R \|\| P4 2.4c(FSB:200) - Intel Cooler \|\| 2x256 GEIL PC3200@400(2-3-3-6) \|\| AIW9000 \|\| WD SE 120x2 RAID0 System-3: DELL Inspiron 9100 \|\| P4 3.0c(mobile) \|\| 2x256mb PC3200(3-3-3-8) \|\| Mobility Radeon 9700 - 128mb \|\| WSXGA+ 15.4" \|\| 60gb 5400RPM 8mb

Aug 14, 2003, 11:10 PM	Thread Starter #15
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	9500NP @ axiontech review =/ behemoth on 08-14-2003 Rated this item 5 of 5 For anyone looking for the "L" shaped mem card, red PCB, I suggest looking elsewhere. it appears despite the picture these are the black PCB cards with the 128 bits. At least that's what I received. Best of luck.-B __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR]

Aug 14, 2003, 11:11 PM	Thread Starter #16
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	PLEASE CONFIRMATION PLEASE ABIT or MSI ?????/ EVERYBODY VOTE NOW!!!! JUST TYPE MSI OR ABIT __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR]

Aug 14, 2003, 11:15 PM	#17
~~craig588~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In clothing Posts: 3,510 Rep Power: 0	ABIT! It has the same cooler that the FX uses=extreme cooling=great overclocking. It is also clocked at ti4400 speeds by default.

Aug 14, 2003, 11:18 PM	Thread Starter #18
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	BUT!!!! AT NEWEGG.COM MSI HAS 70 REVIEWS ABIT HAS 29 REVIEWS that tells you something doesn't it ? http://secure.newegg.com/app/Custrat...tem=14-127-070 2 negative, one with 4 stars, the rest with 5 stars = TOTAL 70 something abit has 20 total, 9 were 1 star, the rest 4 and 5 stars, lol screw abit, MSI it is. __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR] Last edited by tek; Aug 14, 2003 at 11:24 PM.

Aug 14, 2003, 11:24 PM	#19
~~craig588~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In clothing Posts: 3,510 Rep Power: 0	People that buy Abit cards are lazy? I don't see your point at all. Explain.

Aug 15, 2003, 12:25 AM	#21
Sharkims Seen my brain? Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: WA,USA Posts: 760 Rep Power: 0	The MSI cooler is an awesome cooler, it's like a Thermaltake Giant II -Heatpipe. Like I said earlier, my card allowed me to OC it so much that the plastic vent on the heatsink get singed. While still remaining strong. The cooler is actualy a giant flat copper sink with a larger heatsink just off to the side of the fan on the core, the rest of it is a copper sink that is also on all of the memory. So active for Mem+GPU. __________________ System-1: MSI K8N Neo Platinum \|\| A64 3200+(200x11) - Zalman 7000A-AlCu \|\| 1x1gb OCZ PC3200@400(3-3-3-7) \|\| 9800XT \|\| WD Raptors 2x36 RAID0 System-2: MSI 875P Neo-FIS2R \|\| P4 2.4c(FSB:200) - Intel Cooler \|\| 2x256 GEIL PC3200@400(2-3-3-6) \|\| AIW9000 \|\| WD SE 120x2 RAID0 System-3: DELL Inspiron 9100 \|\| P4 3.0c(mobile) \|\| 2x256mb PC3200(3-3-3-8) \|\| Mobility Radeon 9700 - 128mb \|\| WSXGA+ 15.4" \|\| 60gb 5400RPM 8mb Last edited by Sharkims; Aug 15, 2003 at 12:33 AM.