AMD CPUs advice?

merry · Aug 21, 2003, 03:13 PM

I am considering buying a new system and I'd give AMD a shot...

The choices would be:

Thoroughbred FSB266 (2600 2.13GHz)
Thoroughbred FSB333 (2600 2.08GHz)
Barton FSB333 (2500 1.83GHz)

Other possible choices include 2000-2200 models stepping JIUHB, AIUCB, AIUHB. That would save up to 50$ on the first ones, but there is a risk that ocing doesn't work...

The mobo will most likely be GA-7N400-L1 (nForce2 Ultra 400) or Abit NF7-S V2.0, the second being some 50$ more expensive.

What would be your choice... any advice welcome.

Thanks

Dom · Aug 21, 2003, 03:18 PM

Barton 2500+, a very decent OCer and that extra 256K of cache comes in handy if you render images or encode A/V, it won't improve gaming though.

dipstick · Aug 21, 2003, 03:21 PM

The abit mobo for sure if you are OCing. I hear the 2500+ is a great OCer, but any one of those AIUHB chips will hit atleast 2.4GHz very easily

WildChild · Aug 21, 2003, 04:28 PM

Running the GA-7n400 Pro here....I would suggest the 2500+

DriveEuro · Aug 21, 2003, 04:33 PM

Barton, it overclocks quite well too.

Cereal Killer · Aug 21, 2003, 05:25 PM

I would go with the Barton 2500+ and the Abit NF7-S board...a perfect combination!

Vampyromaniac · Aug 21, 2003, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dom
Barton 2500+, a very decent OCer and that extra 256K of cache comes in handy if you render images or encode A/V, it won't improve gaming though.

actually, rendering and encoding benefit very little from the Barton's extra cache, and games generally benefit slightly more . . . office apps seem to benefit the most. Linky: Anandtech

Dom · Aug 21, 2003, 06:38 PM

toddsmack2k · Aug 21, 2003, 07:57 PM

I recommend a 210 Palamino and a biostar... er... I mean..............

Seriously the 2500 Barton and the Abit Nf7-S are a great combo. Just look around here there are lost of people using that combo. Great speed and overclockability for the money!

The_Neon_Cowboy · Aug 21, 2003, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cereal Killer
I would go with the Barton 2500+ and the Abit NF7-S board...a perfect combination!

agree

Bane the ECF · Aug 22, 2003, 02:59 AM

Specifically, there are three reasons why you should take the Barton 2500+

1) Larger die provides more surface area to disappate heat.
2) Slower CPU clock allows for more overclockability.
3) It is well known that many Barton 2500+ CPUs are nothing more than relabeled (probably) 3000+ and 3200+ CPUs.

Bane

tek · Aug 22, 2003, 03:03 AM

I'd actually go with the ABIT NF7-S 2.0 and the XP1700 Tbred-B DLT3C JIUHB 1.5V 0310 chip.

This motherchocker overclocks like its under ice, seriously.

I'm in love with this mobo and chip.

WyreTheWolf · Aug 22, 2003, 10:32 AM

I would suggest the Barton 2500+ I have had mine running at 3200+ speeds at stock voltages with no problems... now... I am WAY above stock 3200+ speeds

and climbing.

Vampyromaniac · Aug 22, 2003, 10:46 AM

wow, that speed at default voltages?

Is that more the exception, or the rule with xp2500?

WyreTheWolf · Aug 22, 2003, 10:52 AM

well the 2500+ runs at 1.83GHz

which is 11x166 (333DDR)

the 3200+ runs at 2.2GHz

which is 11x200 (400DDR)

all you have to do to get a 2500+ to boot as a 3200+ is jump to a 200MHz FSB...

With stock voltages I was easily able to run at 2.3GHz

which was:

11.5x200, and I am now running at 12x210 ! ! ! !

need better cooling for my northbridge to maintain those speeds.. I have selected the microcool North Pole northbridge cooler for my next upgrade... that should be able to keep that hot running nForce2 Ultra400 northbridge nice and cool!

For the most part ... just about any 2500+ will overclock to a 3200+ on stock voltages... Seems that the 2500+ is just a downgraded 3200+ or something ... they overclock QUITE well...

Davidgt · Aug 22, 2003, 06:51 PM

yep my 2500+ does 3200+ default core voltage and 1.7v does 2300mhz 1.85c does 2460 mhz I havent tryed higher yet

Davidgt · Aug 22, 2003, 06:53 PM

BTW wyre I am about to kill your 3dmark and pcmark scores get ready here I come

WyreTheWolf · Aug 23, 2003, 05:19 AM

Dont care.. My current 3DMarks are from a Radeon 9500 non pro ... so, if you beat them with something like a 9700 Pro, or a 9800 Pro ... you have not won squat! Good luck though ... because I promise... I will still have the best bang for the buck!

Sebastian · Aug 23, 2003, 11:04 AM

Hi
I'm running a 2400 on a Asus A7N8X Deluxe version 2 mobo with 512 of Mushkin level 2 black DDR 3200.
Win XP service pack 1 reports that I'm running and 1800 CPU, is that because it actually runs at that speed?

What would you recomend I do to keep the system running stable while making maximum use of the rig?
Do I need to update the bios or change settings?

I was thinking of changing the CPU heatsink for a quieter model as I find the standard one noisy, what would you recomend?

Thanks for any help
Sebastian

Sebastian · Aug 23, 2003, 11:29 AM

Hi again,

How do I find out if I have a Barton CPU?

Sebastian

toddsmack2k · Aug 23, 2003, 04:07 PM

Hello Sebastian might I recommend that you post your own thread on the issues you have stated above. In doing so it will certainly help you get more specific Information to your questions. There is nothing wrong every once in a while to ask a question that may slightly differ from the main thread but if you want help it benefits you to make your own thread. That way you get dealt with specifially for your needs.

merry · Aug 25, 2003, 11:16 AM

To say THANKS, people!

I am in big trouble right now... the old K6-2 went k-boom, so I thought what the heck, time for an upgrade anyway, and I started this thread... Thanks again, I really didn't expect it to grow that much

In the meanwhile, my main system crashed too, I am currently trying to salvage anything from the last IBM HDD I will ever have (1 yr 4 months old, just out of warantee). Hopefully some parts of this system are still intact (the K6 mainboard is gone, the PSU too).

There goes my upgrade, third attempt this year...

But I feel a lot more optimistic after reading this thread

Asmoday · Aug 25, 2003, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by merry
To say THANKS, people!

I am in big trouble right now... the old K6-2 went k-boom, so I thought what the heck, time for an upgrade anyway, and I started this thread... Thanks again, I really didn't expect it to grow that much

In the meanwhile, my main system crashed too, I am currently trying to salvage anything from the last IBM HDD I will ever have (1 yr 4 months old, just out of warantee). Hopefully some parts of this system are still intact (the K6 mainboard is gone, the PSU too).

There goes my upgrade, third attempt this year...

But I feel a lot more optimistic after reading this thread

i could be wrong...but doesn't ibm have 3 year warranty..?

~~craig588~~ · Aug 25, 2003, 12:42 PM

I don't know for sure, but I think most HD companies only have 1 year warranties.

BWX · Aug 25, 2003, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by craig588
I don't know for sure, but I think most HD companies only have 1 year warranties.

WD has 3 year- I used it on my GF's old 6gig when it died last year- They gave me a new one and paid the shipping.

merry · Aug 25, 2003, 02:38 PM

The only HDDs I can find around here with 3 years warantee are the WD w/8MB cache ones.

Bane the ECF · Aug 26, 2003, 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by merry
The only HDDs I can find around here with 3 years warantee are the WD w/8MB cache ones.

Most older IBM IDE hard drives will come with a 3 year warranty. You should definitely call IBM's hard drive customer support service and find out if your hard drive is under warranty. However, I strongly suggest you avoid IBM hard drives if you ever buy a new one.

Western Digital only provides a 3 year warranty on their Special Edition 8MB-cache hard drives. It's worth the money though, and I would recommend WDSE hard drives any day to people looking for a new hard drive.

Bane

Aug 21, 2003, 03:13 PM	#1
merry gargouille Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha Posts: 962 Rep Power: 0	AMD CPUs advice? I am considering buying a new system and I'd give AMD a shot... The choices would be: Thoroughbred FSB266 (2600 2.13GHz) Thoroughbred FSB333 (2600 2.08GHz) Barton FSB333 (2500 1.83GHz) Other possible choices include 2000-2200 models stepping JIUHB, AIUCB, AIUHB. That would save up to 50$ on the first ones, but there is a risk that ocing doesn't work... The mobo will most likely be GA-7N400-L1 (nForce2 Ultra 400) or Abit NF7-S V2.0, the second being some 50$ more expensive. What would be your choice... any advice welcome. Thanks __________________ There is a war between the ones who say there is a war and the ones who say there isn't. ~~Leonard Cohen

Aug 21, 2003, 04:28 PM	#4
WildChild I'm Still Watching Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey,U.S.A. Posts: 1,068 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Running the GA-7n400 Pro here....I would suggest the 2500+ __________________ Knowledge is SCARY,Stupidity is REALLY frightening

Aug 21, 2003, 04:33 PM	#5
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	Barton, it overclocks quite well too. __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Aug 21, 2003, 05:25 PM	#6
Cereal Killer [DH] Catalyst Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Mississauga, Ontario Posts: 248 Rep Power: 0	I would go with the Barton 2500+ and the Abit NF7-S board...a perfect combination! __________________ AMD Athlon XP 1700+ @ 2.53GHz (11.5x220 @ 1.95V) Thermalright SP-97 w/ TT SmartFan II Abit NF7-S Rev. 2.0 2x512MB GeIL PC3500 Platinum Dual DDR ATI Radeon 9700 PRO 360GB WD 8MB SATA HDDs RAID 0 Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Sony E500 21" Monitor WinXP Pro SP1

Aug 21, 2003, 06:38 PM	#8
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	Debunked...

Aug 21, 2003, 03:18 PM	#2
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	Barton 2500+, a very decent OCer and that extra 256K of cache comes in handy if you render images or encode A/V, it won't improve gaming though.

Aug 21, 2003, 03:21 PM	#3
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	The abit mobo for sure if you are OCing. I hear the 2500+ is a great OCer, but any one of those AIUHB chips will hit atleast 2.4GHz very easily

Aug 21, 2003, 07:57 PM	#9
toddsmack2k It Never..... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,173 Rep Power: 0	I recommend a 210 Palamino and a biostar... er... I mean.............. Seriously the 2500 Barton and the Abit Nf7-S are a great combo. Just look around here there are lost of people using that combo. Great speed and overclockability for the money! __________________ [color=blue]*Bleeding From the Inside Pouring Out, The* *DriverHeaven* Spiral, We Shall Never Let Go Of.[/color]

Aug 22, 2003, 02:59 AM	#11
Bane the ECF DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 220 Rep Power: 0	Specifically, there are three reasons why you should take the Barton 2500+ 1) Larger die provides more surface area to disappate heat. 2) Slower CPU clock allows for more overclockability. 3) It is well known that many Barton 2500+ CPUs are nothing more than relabeled (probably) 3000+ and 3200+ CPUs. Bane __________________ ASUS K8N-E Motherboard Athlon 64 3200+ 10x200MHz Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu Heatsink & Fan 2x512MB Mushkin Black Level 2 PC-3500 ATi Radeon X800 SE 256MB 100GB Western Digital SE 8MB 7200RPM 320GB Seagate 8MB 7200 RPM Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Sony 19" E400 Trinitron Thermaltake Xaser III V2000A All-Aluminum Logitech Z-5300 5.1 Surround Sound

Aug 22, 2003, 03:03 AM	#12
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	I'd actually go with the ABIT NF7-S 2.0 and the XP1700 Tbred-B DLT3C JIUHB 1.5V 0310 chip. This motherchocker overclocks like its under ice, seriously. I'm in love with this mobo and chip. __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR]

Aug 22, 2003, 10:32 AM	#13
WyreTheWolf Wolfish Bastard Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cave; Ozark Mountains Posts: 2,110 Rep Power: 0	I would suggest the Barton 2500+ I have had mine running at 3200+ speeds at stock voltages with no problems... now... I am WAY above stock 3200+ speeds and climbing.

Aug 22, 2003, 10:46 AM	#14
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	wow, that speed at default voltages? Is that more the exception, or the rule with xp2500? __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Aug 22, 2003, 10:52 AM	#15
WyreTheWolf Wolfish Bastard Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cave; Ozark Mountains Posts: 2,110 Rep Power: 0	well the 2500+ runs at 1.83GHz which is 11x166 (333DDR) the 3200+ runs at 2.2GHz which is 11x200 (400DDR) all you have to do to get a 2500+ to boot as a 3200+ is jump to a 200MHz FSB... With stock voltages I was easily able to run at 2.3GHz which was: 11.5x200, and I am now running at 12x210 ! ! ! ! need better cooling for my northbridge to maintain those speeds.. I have selected the microcool North Pole northbridge cooler for my next upgrade... that should be able to keep that hot running nForce2 Ultra400 northbridge nice and cool! For the most part ... just about any 2500+ will overclock to a 3200+ on stock voltages... Seems that the 2500+ is just a downgraded 3200+ or something ... they overclock QUITE well...

Aug 22, 2003, 06:51 PM	#16
Davidgt Car Audio Guy Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 499 Rep Power: 0	yep my 2500+ does 3200+ default core voltage and 1.7v does 2300mhz 1.85c does 2460 mhz I havent tryed higher yet __________________ Sales/Support Manager Taraautosound.com wonderful sig by tastyweat

Aug 22, 2003, 06:53 PM	#17
Davidgt Car Audio Guy Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 499 Rep Power: 0	BTW wyre I am about to kill your 3dmark and pcmark scores get ready here I come __________________ Sales/Support Manager Taraautosound.com wonderful sig by tastyweat

Aug 23, 2003, 05:19 AM	#18
WyreTheWolf Wolfish Bastard Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cave; Ozark Mountains Posts: 2,110 Rep Power: 0	Dont care.. My current 3DMarks are from a Radeon 9500 non pro ... so, if you beat them with something like a 9700 Pro, or a 9800 Pro ... you have not won squat! Good luck though ... because I promise... I will still have the best bang for the buck!

Aug 23, 2003, 11:04 AM	#19
Sebastian DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Yorkshire, UK Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	Hi I'm running a 2400 on a Asus A7N8X Deluxe version 2 mobo with 512 of Mushkin level 2 black DDR 3200. Win XP service pack 1 reports that I'm running and 1800 CPU, is that because it actually runs at that speed? What would you recomend I do to keep the system running stable while making maximum use of the rig? Do I need to update the bios or change settings? I was thinking of changing the CPU heatsink for a quieter model as I find the standard one noisy, what would you recomend? Thanks for any help Sebastian

Aug 23, 2003, 11:29 AM	#20
Sebastian DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Yorkshire, UK Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	Hi again, How do I find out if I have a Barton CPU? Sebastian __________________ Antec Sonata 380 watt trupower Quiet fan AMD Athlon2400 XP Asus A7N8XDeluxe revision 2 Gigabyte Radeon 9200 Maxtor Plus9 SATA 120GB Win XP Home 1 512mb Mushkin DDR PC3200 level 1

Aug 23, 2003, 04:07 PM	#21
toddsmack2k It Never..... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,173 Rep Power: 0	Hello Sebastian might I recommend that you post your own thread on the issues you have stated above. In doing so it will certainly help you get more specific Information to your questions. There is nothing wrong every once in a while to ask a question that may slightly differ from the main thread but if you want help it benefits you to make your own thread. That way you get dealt with specifially for your needs. __________________ [color=blue]*Bleeding From the Inside Pouring Out, The* *DriverHeaven* Spiral, We Shall Never Let Go Of.[/color]

Aug 25, 2003, 11:16 AM	Thread Starter #22
merry gargouille Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha Posts: 962 Rep Power: 0	A quick note... To say THANKS, people! I am in big trouble right now... the old K6-2 went k-boom, so I thought what the heck, time for an upgrade anyway, and I started this thread... Thanks again, I really didn't expect it to grow that much In the meanwhile, my main system crashed too, I am currently trying to salvage anything from the last IBM HDD I will ever have (1 yr 4 months old, just out of warantee). Hopefully some parts of this system are still intact (the K6 mainboard is gone, the PSU too). There goes my upgrade, third attempt this year... But I feel a lot more optimistic after reading this thread __________________ There is a war between the ones who say there is a war and the ones who say there isn't. ~~Leonard Cohen

Aug 25, 2003, 12:42 PM	#24
~~craig588~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In clothing Posts: 3,510 Rep Power: 0	I don't know for sure, but I think most HD companies only have 1 year warranties.

Aug 25, 2003, 02:38 PM	Thread Starter #26
merry gargouille Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha Posts: 962 Rep Power: 0	The only HDDs I can find around here with 3 years warantee are the WD w/8MB cache ones. __________________ There is a war between the ones who say there is a war and the ones who say there isn't. ~~Leonard Cohen