Anachronox

I got the latest drivers for both my mobo and my graphics card, but my games keep crashing about five minutes into playing them, I have an AMD Duron ~800mHz and a GeForce FX 5600 with 320MB SDRAM.

Any help would be gratly appreciated.

craig588

Any recent changes or overclocking to your system?

Sharkims

You're going to need to give us more details.

Fresh copy of windows? Which Version of Windows?
What Motherboard, be more specific about your hardware.

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System-1:
MSI K8N Neo Platinum || A64 3200+(200x11) - Zalman 7000A-AlCu || 1x1gb OCZ PC3200@400(3-3-3-7) || 9800XT || WD Raptors 2x36 RAID0
System-2:
MSI 875P Neo-FIS2R || P4 2.4c(FSB:200) - Intel Cooler || 2x256 GEIL PC3200@400(2-3-3-6) || AIW9000 || WD SE 120x2 RAID0
System-3:
DELL Inspiron 9100 || P4 3.0c(mobile) || 2x256mb PC3200(3-3-3-8) || Mobility Radeon 9700 - 128mb || WSXGA+ 15.4" || 60gb 5400RPM 8mb

Anachronox

No recent changes, minus me just installing the FX 5600 today.

Computer
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional
OS Service Pack Service Pack 1
Internet Explorer 6.0.2800.1106 (IE 6.0 SP1)
Computer Name
User Name
Logon Domain

Motherboard
CPU Type AMD Duron, 800 MHz (4 x 200)
Motherboard Name Compaq Compaq PC
Motherboard Chipset VIA VT8363(A) Apollo KT133(A)
System Memory 320 MB (SDRAM)
BIOS Type Compaq (02/12/01)
Communication Port Communications Port (COM1)
Communication Port ECP Printer Port (LPT1)

Display
Video Adapter NVIDIA GeForce FX 5600 (Omega KX 1.4403) (128 MB)
3D Accelerator nVIDIA GeForce FX 5600

Multimedia
Audio Adapter VIA AC'97 Audio Controller [H]

Storage
Floppy Drive Floppy disk drive
Disk Drive ST340823A (40 GB, 5400 RPM, Ultra-ATA/100)
Optical Drive COMPAQ CD-ROM CRD-8484B (48x CD-ROM)
Optical Drive LG CD-RW CED-8083B (4x/4x/32x CD-RW)

Partitions
C: (NTFS) 31723 MB (24668 MB free)
D: (NTFS) 6430 MB (6395 MB free)

Input
Keyboard Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
Mouse PS/2 Compatible Mouse

Network
Primary IP Address
Primary MAC Address
Network Adapter SMC EZ Card 10/100 PCI (SMC1211 Series)
Modem HSP56 MicroModem

Peripherals
Printer Canon Bubble-Jet S400





EDIT: Yes, my WinXP Pro install is new, I just reformatted recently

Sharkims

Okay, my last question is, what card did you have before the FX? That may be what is causing the problems.

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System-1:
MSI K8N Neo Platinum || A64 3200+(200x11) - Zalman 7000A-AlCu || 1x1gb OCZ PC3200@400(3-3-3-7) || 9800XT || WD Raptors 2x36 RAID0
System-2:
MSI 875P Neo-FIS2R || P4 2.4c(FSB:200) - Intel Cooler || 2x256 GEIL PC3200@400(2-3-3-6) || AIW9000 || WD SE 120x2 RAID0
System-3:
DELL Inspiron 9100 || P4 3.0c(mobile) || 2x256mb PC3200(3-3-3-8) || Mobility Radeon 9700 - 128mb || WSXGA+ 15.4" || 60gb 5400RPM 8mb

craig588

Very good job at collecting information, but I think it might be your PSU. Whats its rated at and what are your voltages?

Anachronox

CPU Properties
CPU Type AMD Duron, 800 MHz (4 x 200)
CPU Alias Spitfire, Athlon Lite
CPU Stepping A2
L1 Code Cache 64 KB
L1 Data Cache 64 KB
L2 Cache 64 KB (On-Die, Full-Speed)

CPU Physical Info
Package Type 453 Pin PGA
Package Size 4.95 cm x 4.95 cm
Transistors 25 million
Process Technology 6Mi, 0.18 um, CMOS
Die Size 100 mm2
Core Voltage 1.6 V
I/O Voltage 1.6 V
Typical Power 24.5 - 37.2 W (depending on clock speed)
Maximum Power 27.4 - 41.5 W (depending on clock speed)

CPU Manufacturer
Company Name Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Product Information http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...30_118,00.html

CPU Utilization
CPU #1 5 % (varies but usually stays below 40%)


I hope that is what you mean, if not tell me and I'll keep looking, and my last card was a GF2, before that a Riva/TNT2

craig588

Wow, you are really good at collecting information, but thats not what I was talking about. I ment the power supply.

Whats its wattage rating, and voltage measurements. (You can measure the volts by using a program like speed fan or motherboard monitor)

Heres a link to speed fans web site: http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php

And to motherboard monitors:http://mbm.livewiredev.com/

Anachronox

yeah, the program I used to get my info is available here: (I have the enterprise edition) http://www.aida32.hu/aida-download.php?bit=32


and mbm 5 freezes on me everytime I try to start it up, I'll download the other one instead, and edit this post when I get the info.


EDIT:
I/O properly initialized
Linked ISA BUS at $0290
INFO: ENABLED VIA686 SMBus support
Linked VIA VT82C686 SMBUS at $EC00
Scanning ISA BUS at $0290...
Scanning SMBus at $EC00...
INFO : unable to use VIA686 sensors (bad I/O BASE)
SMART Enabled for drive 0
Found ST340823A (39.1GB)
End of detection

this is what it said? please tell me where to go in the program

EDIT#2: I clicked on Charts and did the drop down menu to voltages, but nothing is there... =\

craig588

I guess your mobo doesn't support reading voltages. Do you know the wattage rating and amp rating for your rails? It should say somewhere on the power supply.

Anachronox

I'm guessing you mean turning off my PC, and opening it up to look on the power supply, right? As in the part inside the PC, not the wall socket? Sorry, but I'm not really good at understanding everything on PC's yet, so sorry if I seem retarded with some of my questions...

craig588

Yeah the part inside your computer. I would reccomend you turn off the computer, but if you really need to leave it on you could probably be safe if your very careful when you have it open. The ratings will be right on the label on the PSU.

Rayder

Don't feel retarded just because you aren't PC-wise. It just takes time to get to where it all makes sense to you , that's all. Asking these questions is the only way you'll ever learn anything.

Generally, if you take the side off the case (turn PC off first) you will see the Power Supply's info on a sticker attached to it. It will tell you the total wattage and the amps for each rail (12volt, 5volt, etc.) as well as the brand name of the PSU. This is the info required.

You'd be surprised at how often a Power Supply is the culprit that causes the PC to crash.

Anachronox

Input: 100-127/200-240VAC, 6A/3A, 50-60Hz

Output:

+5V(I dunno what this symbol is, but it's three dashes with a line above them)/25A
+3.3V(I dunno what this symbol is, but it's three dashes with a line above them)/14A
MAX. 145W

+12V(I dunno what this symbol is, but it's three dashes with a line above them)/8A


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-5V(I dunno what this symbol is, but it's three dashes with a line above them)/0.5A
-12V(I dunno what this symbol is, but it's three dashes with a line above them)/0.8A
MAX. 0.8A

+5VAux(I dunno what this symbol is, but it's three dashes with a line above them)/1A

Total output power: 250W
Fuse rating: T6.3AH/250V
Model: HP-Q250GF3





Hope that helps, and thanks for the nice words Rayder

BTW: might not get back on after this post, I'll come back tommorrow if not.

craig588

You should get a better PSU, that 12v rail is way too low. You want one with at least a 15amp 12 volt rail. You also want at least 350 watts total power output.

I think your new card is putting too much of a drain on your current PSU.

Anachronox

okay, can you tell me a good powersupply that will probably work with my current vid. card and is hopefull under $100? (the cheaper the better, but I also don't want my PC to catch fire...)

EDIT: if you could also provide me a place to purchase it that would be cool, and I only buy from stores, not online...

Thanks so much for helping me by the way!

craig588

www.pcpowerandcooling.com has the best power supplies IMO. You pay a permium for them though. Someone else might be able to help you better for buying a midrange PSU because I only know about pc power and cooling PSUs.

Rayder

Yes, I'd say it's the PSU. The AMP rating on the 3.3, 5 and 12volt rails seem quite low.

Yours: (apparently a 250 watt PSU)
3.3 volt at 14 amps
5 volt at 25 amps
12 volt at 8 amps

Mine: (a 400 watt PSU)
3.3 volt at 28 amps
5 volt at 40 amps
12 volt at 12 amps

See what I mean?

It looks like you got a 250watt PSU. You need at least a 300 watt and I suggest 400watt or better (mine is an Antec 400watt and it's straining on the 12 volt side). You can never have too many watts. Your system appears to be starved for power. That will DEFINITELY cause things to crash.

Let's see....what are some good brands of PSU's? Unfortunately, ALL good ones tend to run about $100 or more.

Antec
EnerMax
......others? (somebody come up with some other brands to recommend)

EDIT: (couple posts since I started writing this)

Places to get PSU's....hmm....try to find a PC repair store around you. I don't do online either, but living in Cleveland, they are all over the place locally.

Anachronox

Cool, I live in Troy.

Is $69.95 US a good deal for a 400 watt PSU?

HawK

ATX is what you need

Anachronox

http://www.antec-inc.com/pro_details...p?ProdID=25400

is this the one you are talking about Rayder?

toddsmack2k

Hey Anachronox a PSU from Antec, Enermax or Sparkle will fix you up. I second the thought of getting at least a 400w PSU. Yes you want plenty of power but you also want a reliable and steady PSU. Even if you bought a 550w if the voltages fluctuated or were not steady then it would be not worth it. A PSU from any of these names would be a solid buy!

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Anachronox

Okay, cool, I just got the Antec 400w ATX12V

Anachronox

I got it in and hooked upm no problems so far, going to go play Morrowind, I'll tell you if it goes off again. Thank you everyone who helped me, it really is nice to see people who are willing to help on the net.

craig588

*crosses fingers*

BWX

Troy PA???

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Anachronox

Troy, OH

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! NO NO NO!!! ARRRRGH! it still crashes!! why me, whhhhy meeeeee!!!!!

craig588

You might have a defective FX5600. See if you can get a replacement.

Anachronox

but this happened on my GF2 too...

Joschaf

Just a bit curious why he has a Geforce FX 5200(5600) i forget.. when he's running an 800 MHz processor? isn't that gonna cap out quickly? i thought the FX was a CPU dependant card? =X