Wanting to switch camps.

Logla · Sep 21, 2003, 04:52 PM

I've decided to re-engineer my case again and this time I want to use AMD. I'm currently running a P4 2.4b at 2.7GHz. I want a machine which will run faster than the overclocked P4 when just running stock. ie I want a quicker machine that I dont have to overclock. I'm totally confused by the naming that AMD give their processors. I'm under the impression that a 2700 w/333 FSB will be quicker than my P4.

And what would be a really good board to put it in? (must have SATA RAID 0)

Can anyone help me out?

**MIG-31** · Sep 21, 2003, 05:01 PM

small question whats your p4 fsb?

Logla · Sep 21, 2003, 05:03 PM

533MHz

PoopyTheJ · Sep 21, 2003, 05:05 PM

wait for the Athlon 64/fx or whatever it's going to be called. It's gonna rock, if you have to buy a new Mobo and processor.

Kgentatszu] · Sep 21, 2003, 05:05 PM

barton 3000 and Abit NF7-S rev2.0 defintely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

~~craig588~~ · Sep 21, 2003, 05:06 PM

Your gonna need to get at least a 2800+ barton.. AXP chips are much better when they are overclocked.

At stock speeds none of them are anything too exceptional.

**MIG-31** · Sep 21, 2003, 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by Logla
533MHz

i'm going straight from 400fsb to 800fsb tomorrow.hopefully i will be happy.

let you get back to your original post.not hijacking your thread just curious

Logla · Sep 21, 2003, 05:08 PM

I think the A64s are going to be just a little too expensive and the 3000 might just be a bit out of my price range. I'm thinking 2800 barton, but dont know how much of an improvement I'm going to get with that.

Kgentatszu] · Sep 21, 2003, 05:15 PM

if ya OC then------>

anyway, johnny, do you plan to OC???

**MIG-31** · Sep 21, 2003, 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by Maxxypoos
if ya OC then------> anyway, johnny, do you plan to OC???

1 n in johny. have to learn how to first.

that is were i could still be called a newbie.

Kgentatszu] · Sep 21, 2003, 05:23 PM

ok, cause if ya dont, the extra 400Fsb MIGht not prove to be that fast after all...BUT if you DO, hehe, that's a different story....eheheh

Necrosis · Sep 21, 2003, 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by Logla
I think the A64s are going to be just a little too expensive and the 3000 might just be a bit out of my price range. I'm thinking 2800 barton, but dont know how much of an improvement I'm going to get with that.

Even if you don't get a A64 it still should knock down some of the other prices on processors.

I went from a AXP 1800 Palomino core w/ PC2100 to a P4 2.26GHz 533MHz Northwood w/ PC2700 last summer. I did notice a boost in speed all around in 2D & 3D apps. However, that November I went back to AMD w/ a AXP Tbred core /w the same ram. I noticed a pretty dramatic improvement across the board, even desktop stuff just seemed quite a bit snappier.

**MIG-31** · Sep 21, 2003, 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by Maxxypoos
ok, cause if ya dont, the extra 400Fsb MIGht not prove to be that fast after all...BUT if you DO, hehe, that's a different story....eheheh

i will consider it when is see it up & running then i will either startup a new thread and follow replies or search others on here.

firstly i will like to see how much of an improvement it will be without.just cost me £352 for new cpu/mobo/ram just being cautious.

cannot oc my existing rig due shit mobo that came as an in store package,u know the type limited connection ports hardly any bios options type.

Necrosis · Sep 21, 2003, 05:35 PM

You should noticed a definite boost is speed mainly because of your chipset upgrade. I had the SIS 648 w/ my P4, and I think it was one of the determining factors in the performance of the system. Do you have any odd "slow" issues with 3D?

**MIG-31** · Sep 21, 2003, 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by Necrosis
You should noticed a definite boost is speed mainly because of your chipset upgrade. I had the SIS 648 w/ my P4, and I think it was one of the determining factors in the performance of the system. Do you have any odd "slow" issues with 3D?

most defiantly.fine with older games like quake three.splinter cell/nolf 2 are fine.

games like ut2k3 got a small freeze screen for a split second occasional slow down.

as for mohaa freeze screen as quoted above but only when auto game save request came into play.

tomb raider angel of darkness was very problem ridden.

raven shield poor frame rates.

that were on a sis 650 which is partly my thinking in past post of poor bench mark scores.

absolutely no change in any of the above whatever driver update i used.either chipset or graphics.

i just hope my new stuff is a big difference particularly the mobo were recommended by veridian 3.

**MIG-31** · Sep 21, 2003, 05:48 PM

ps.never been pleased with this rig when a bought it.i think in future i will be avoiding stores for complete systems.been learning an awfull lot since joining this forum.

Kgentatszu] · Sep 21, 2003, 05:57 PM

~LOL, johny believe me, you'll be VERY pleased with i865PE..........some of them is even faster than canterwoods like Asus

Kgentatszu] · Sep 21, 2003, 06:00 PM

check this out---------> http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...threadid=26778

**MIG-31** · Sep 21, 2003, 06:01 PM

forgot who is the chipset maker?

preparing all ican before hand,want latest drivers ready fo the install.

**MIG-31** · Sep 21, 2003, 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by Maxxypoos
check this out---------> http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...threadid=26778

impresive m8.

now a will see how much difference mine will be when i get round to mine in the next few days.bear in mind i will now have a 9600pro @8x from then.

Kgentatszu] · Sep 22, 2003, 11:59 AM

9600pro is a very good good card in my opinion, there shouldnrt be a gap too large between 9800pro and 9600pro....so i assume you'll have to score around 18k to beat mine.....also, keep in mind that i have PC2100, stock fan all the way and 2.67 (533) which wasnt a good OCer...

BWX · Sep 22, 2003, 12:38 PM

Don't buy AMD unless you plan to OC it- An un-OC'd AMD is a sin.

Just get an NF7-S v2.0, some really fast low latency ram and the best AMD CPU then OC it-

FluffyChicken · Sep 22, 2003, 01:00 PM

don't change I cannot seee the point (apart from for the fun of it)
Wait it out, hell you machines not slow anyway)
wait till either intel decidedes what it going to do with it P4 range and the AMD64 is out properly.

Sometime around Christmas would be a much etter time. thing'll have settled a little.

**MIG-31** · Sep 22, 2003, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Maxxypoos
9600pro is a very good good card in my opinion, there shouldnrt be a gap too large between 9800pro and 9600pro....so i assume you'll have to score around 18k to beat mine.....also, keep in mind that i have PC2100, stock fan all the way and 2.67 (533) which wasnt a good OCer...

haven't received my new goodies yet,i were slightly grasping at straws for delivery on Monday(when stated in post)looks like it will be tomorrow(23rd).
but still have 2 hrs yet so who knows.

ill see when its running about that score.all previous were lucky to get close to 10k being a little optimistic as well as pessimistic about those scores.

Logla · Sep 22, 2003, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FluffyChicken
don't change I cannot seee the point (apart from for the fun of it)
Wait it out, hell you machines not slow anyway)
wait till either intel decidedes what it going to do with it P4 range and the AMD64 is out properly.

Sometime around Christmas would be a much etter time. thing'll have settled a little.

I think I may seriously bear this in mind. I have the machine running at 3Ghz (stable I think) at the moment so I might just not upgrade just yet.

BWX · Sep 22, 2003, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Logla
I think I may seriously bear this in mind. I have the machine running at 3Ghz (stable I think) at the moment so I might just not upgrade just yet.

I wouldn't- you could run that rig for another year if you needed to.

Sep 21, 2003, 04:52 PM	#1
Logla HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,311 Rep Power: 0	Wanting to switch camps. I've decided to re-engineer my case again and this time I want to use AMD. I'm currently running a P4 2.4b at 2.7GHz. I want a machine which will run faster than the overclocked P4 when just running stock. ie I want a quicker machine that I dont have to overclock. I'm totally confused by the naming that AMD give their processors. I'm under the impression that a 2700 w/333 FSB will be quicker than my P4. And what would be a really good board to put it in? (must have SATA RAID 0) Can anyone help me out? Last edited by Logla; Sep 21, 2003 at 05:00 PM.

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Sep 21, 2003, 05:48 PM	#16
MIG-31 HardwareHeaven News Mod Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nottingham,UK Posts: 56,821 Rep Power: 471 System Specs	ps.never been pleased with this rig when a bought it.i think in future i will be avoiding stores for complete systems.been learning an awfull lot since joining this forum. __________________ Please Post Your News Submissions Here

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MIG-31 HardwareHeaven News Mod Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nottingham,UK Posts: 56,821 Rep Power: 471 System Specs	forgot who is the chipset maker? preparing all ican before hand,want latest drivers ready fo the install. __________________ Please Post Your News Submissions Here

Sep 21, 2003, 05:03 PM	Thread Starter #3
Logla HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,311 Rep Power: 0	533MHz

Sep 21, 2003, 05:05 PM	#5
Kgentatszu] DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,802 Rep Power: 0	barton 3000 and Abit NF7-S rev2.0 defintely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sep 21, 2003, 05:06 PM	#6
~~craig588~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In clothing Posts: 3,510 Rep Power: 0	Your gonna need to get at least a 2800+ barton.. AXP chips are much better when they are overclocked. At stock speeds none of them are anything too exceptional.

Sep 21, 2003, 05:08 PM	Thread Starter #8
Logla HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,311 Rep Power: 0	I think the A64s are going to be just a little too expensive and the 3000 might just be a bit out of my price range. I'm thinking 2800 barton, but dont know how much of an improvement I'm going to get with that.

Sep 21, 2003, 05:15 PM	#9
Kgentatszu] DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,802 Rep Power: 0	if ya OC then------> anyway, johnny, do you plan to OC???

Sep 21, 2003, 05:23 PM	#11
Kgentatszu] DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,802 Rep Power: 0	ok, cause if ya dont, the extra 400Fsb MIGht not prove to be that fast after all...BUT if you DO, hehe, that's a different story....eheheh

Sep 21, 2003, 05:35 PM	#14
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	You should noticed a definite boost is speed mainly because of your chipset upgrade. I had the SIS 648 w/ my P4, and I think it was one of the determining factors in the performance of the system. Do you have any odd "slow" issues with 3D?

Sep 21, 2003, 05:57 PM	#17
Kgentatszu] DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,802 Rep Power: 0	~LOL, johny believe me, you'll be VERY pleased with i865PE..........some of them is even faster than canterwoods like Asus

Sep 21, 2003, 06:00 PM	#18
Kgentatszu] DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,802 Rep Power: 0	check this out---------> http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...threadid=26778

Sep 22, 2003, 11:59 AM	#21
Kgentatszu] DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,802 Rep Power: 0	9600pro is a very good good card in my opinion, there shouldnrt be a gap too large between 9800pro and 9600pro....so i assume you'll have to score around 18k to beat mine.....also, keep in mind that i have PC2100, stock fan all the way and 2.67 (533) which wasnt a good OCer...

Sep 22, 2003, 12:38 PM	#22
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Sep 22, 2003, 01:00 PM	#23
FluffyChicken DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: England Posts: 320 Rep Power: 0	don't change I cannot seee the point (apart from for the fun of it) Wait it out, hell you machines not slow anyway) wait till either intel decidedes what it going to do with it P4 range and the AMD64 is out properly. Sometime around Christmas would be a much etter time. thing'll have settled a little. __________________ [COLOR=#455b64]Team mauisun.org [/COLOR]