Problem with new Rig

wertret · Sep 25, 2003, 01:29 PM

I've finally goy my new rig, system specs are as follows:

Case antec plus view with 5 fans
barton 2800 (thermaltake volcano 11+ with ducting mod)
a7n8x deluxe
2 kingston sticks 512 mb ddr 333 (full copper jacket)
2 seagate cheetah ultra320 scsi 73 gb + 1 seagate ultra ata133 40 gb
PSU 550 wats with pfc filter
audigy 2
radeon 9800 pro
winxp pro sp1
dx9b
catalyst 3.7

Nothing is overclocked yet. I run 3dmark 2003 and aquamark without problems but in 3dmark 2001 SE, when the nature test comes the artifacts appear. I can also play Chrome with all the eyecandy to the max without problems so i guess there's not a temps problem. My cpu is 43º and system 30º. Any ideas for the reason of the artifacts?
Thanks in advance.

***Veridian3*** · Sep 25, 2003, 02:05 PM

My first idea would be to chuck in another gfx card, is you old one still about?

The reason for doing this is you can narrow the cause down a little. If it still happens you know its not a card/catalyst issue....if it doesnt happen then you know its the gfx card or drivers...

Stu

wertret · Sep 25, 2003, 02:20 PM

well i have my old 9700 pro. i'll give it a chance and then post. Thanks.

wertret · Sep 25, 2003, 03:41 PM

It was the gfx, with the radeon 9700 pro all the artifacts dissapear. I'm returnig back the 9800, i think i'm gonna wait for the XT babe

. Now it's time for some overclocking, any suggestions for fsb and memory timings?

Bane the ECF · Sep 26, 2003, 01:59 AM

Well, without PC-3200 or PC-3500, all you can do is up the FSB slowly towards 200MHz and test it using SiSoft Sandra or Memtest-86.

Necrosis · Sep 26, 2003, 02:44 AM

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Originally posted by wertret
It was the gfx, with the radeon 9700 pro all the artifacts dissapear. I'm returnig back the 9800, i think i'm gonna wait for the XT babe . Now it's time for some overclocking, any suggestions for fsb and memory timings?

Memory Timings: 2-2-2-5

I'm not sure about your FSB speed though because of the speed of your ram like Bane said. However, try bumping it up a little bit at a time, and make sure you do some stress testing to ensure it's going to be stable. What are you using to monitor your temps? Your case temp. isn't high but seems oddly higher than it should be especially for the case you have. I have a smaller case, and normally I never hit 30c unless the room temps. are quite high.

Bane the ECF · Sep 26, 2003, 03:39 AM

Also, with Necrosis' timings, you might not be able to grab high overclocks. If you run into instabiilty, try relaxing the memory timings some.

Necrosis · Sep 26, 2003, 03:45 AM

Hey Bane does your board default to 1.7 for your core?

Bane the ECF · Sep 26, 2003, 07:36 AM

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Originally posted by Necrosis
Hey Bane does your board default to 1.7 for your core?

No, that's the lowest Vcore I'm stable at with my maximum capable overclock. My CPU defaults at 1.65V, just like every other Barton CPU. I have a pre-March03 build 2500+, it's a relatively lousy overclocker.

Bane

wertret · Sep 26, 2003, 12:57 PM

Thank you all guys for the suppot, i'm "experimentiming" with the memory right now.

Necrosis · Sep 27, 2003, 12:16 AM

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Originally posted by Bane the ECF
No, that's the lowest Vcore I'm stable at with my maximum capable overclock. My CPU defaults at 1.65V, just like every other Barton CPU. I have a pre-March03 build 2500+, it's a relatively lousy overclocker.

Bane

Hmm..well you'll love this. My previous 2600 Tbreb-a also ran @ 1.7, so does my Barton that is just what my board defaults to. It's something to do with my revision of board. I'm just happy this old rev. can run the Barton correctly!

Bane the ECF · Sep 27, 2003, 05:53 AM

Hmm, there's something wrong with your BIOS code then, because I don't recall any Thoroughbred or Barton CPUs that run at 1.70V.

In fact, I did some digging and found a thread with all the default voltages for all the Tbred and Barton CPUs:

http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=174028

Necrosis · Sep 27, 2003, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bane the ECF
Hmm, there's something wrong with your BIOS code then, because I don't recall any Thoroughbred or Barton CPUs that run at 1.70V.

In fact, I did some digging and found a thread with all the default voltages for all the Tbred and Barton CPUs:

http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=174028

Runs 100% stable and temps are good so I'm not worried. MOF...that is the same forum where I seen it mentioned about the very issue my board has.

Bane the ECF · Sep 27, 2003, 10:46 AM

Hmph, as long as your CPU is stable (and your CPU should be okay at 1.70V anyways.) I take it you can't manually adjust your Vcore?

FluffyChicken · Sep 27, 2003, 11:01 AM

It could just be a 'reading' fault of the voltage, you could try lowering it but chances are you are actually at the correct voltage anyway (it's just reading the wrong voltage)
Try BIOS update, these will alter the fudge factors to make it look more reasonable

Either way if it works, who cares.

Necrosis · Sep 27, 2003, 07:37 PM

I've updated the bios to the latest version, and yes I can adjust my voltage in the bios.

Bane the ECF · Sep 27, 2003, 09:33 PM

Hmph, I'd manually adjust my Vcore to 1.65V then...but since you're O/Cing anyways, I bet you need the extra voltage anyhow.

Necrosis · Sep 27, 2003, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bane the ECF
Hmph, I'd manually adjust my Vcore to 1.65V then...but since you're O/Cing anyways, I bet you need the extra voltage anyhow.

Yeah pretty much what I figured. I did make it run at 1.65 but didn't seem to make a difference so I just left it at 1.7

Sep 25, 2003, 01:29 PM	#1
wertret Still watching... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Orihuela (Spain) Posts: 1,560 Rep Power: 0	Problem with new Rig I've finally goy my new rig, system specs are as follows: Case antec plus view with 5 fans barton 2800 (thermaltake volcano 11+ with ducting mod) a7n8x deluxe 2 kingston sticks 512 mb ddr 333 (full copper jacket) 2 seagate cheetah ultra320 scsi 73 gb + 1 seagate ultra ata133 40 gb PSU 550 wats with pfc filter audigy 2 radeon 9800 pro winxp pro sp1 dx9b catalyst 3.7 Nothing is overclocked yet. I run 3dmark 2003 and aquamark without problems but in 3dmark 2001 SE, when the nature test comes the artifacts appear. I can also play Chrome with all the eyecandy to the max without problems so i guess there's not a temps problem. My cpu is 43º and system 30º. Any ideas for the reason of the artifacts? Thanks in advance. __________________ "They who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night."

Sep 25, 2003, 02:20 PM	Thread Starter #3
wertret Still watching... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Orihuela (Spain) Posts: 1,560 Rep Power: 0	well i have my old 9700 pro. i'll give it a chance and then post. Thanks. __________________ "They who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night."

Sep 25, 2003, 03:41 PM	Thread Starter #4
wertret Still watching... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Orihuela (Spain) Posts: 1,560 Rep Power: 0	It was the gfx, with the radeon 9700 pro all the artifacts dissapear. I'm returnig back the 9800, i think i'm gonna wait for the XT babe . Now it's time for some overclocking, any suggestions for fsb and memory timings? __________________ "They who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night."

Sep 26, 2003, 01:59 AM	#5
Bane the ECF DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 220 Rep Power: 0	Well, without PC-3200 or PC-3500, all you can do is up the FSB slowly towards 200MHz and test it using SiSoft Sandra or Memtest-86. __________________ ASUS K8N-E Motherboard Athlon 64 3200+ 10x200MHz Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu Heatsink & Fan 2x512MB Mushkin Black Level 2 PC-3500 ATi Radeon X800 SE 256MB 100GB Western Digital SE 8MB 7200RPM 320GB Seagate 8MB 7200 RPM Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Sony 19" E400 Trinitron Thermaltake Xaser III V2000A All-Aluminum Logitech Z-5300 5.1 Surround Sound

Sep 26, 2003, 03:39 AM	#7
Bane the ECF DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 220 Rep Power: 0	Also, with Necrosis' timings, you might not be able to grab high overclocks. If you run into instabiilty, try relaxing the memory timings some. __________________ ASUS K8N-E Motherboard Athlon 64 3200+ 10x200MHz Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu Heatsink & Fan 2x512MB Mushkin Black Level 2 PC-3500 ATi Radeon X800 SE 256MB 100GB Western Digital SE 8MB 7200RPM 320GB Seagate 8MB 7200 RPM Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Sony 19" E400 Trinitron Thermaltake Xaser III V2000A All-Aluminum Logitech Z-5300 5.1 Surround Sound

Sep 25, 2003, 02:05 PM	#2
*Veridian3* Administrator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cloaked Posts: 5,028 Rep Power: 181	My first idea would be to chuck in another gfx card, is you old one still about? The reason for doing this is you can narrow the cause down a little. If it still happens you know its not a card/catalyst issue....if it doesnt happen then you know its the gfx card or drivers... Stu

Sep 26, 2003, 03:45 AM	#8
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Hey Bane does your board default to 1.7 for your core?

Sep 26, 2003, 12:57 PM	Thread Starter #10
wertret Still watching... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Orihuela (Spain) Posts: 1,560 Rep Power: 0	Thank you all guys for the suppot, i'm "experimentiming" with the memory right now. __________________ "They who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night."

Sep 27, 2003, 05:53 AM	#12
Bane the ECF DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 220 Rep Power: 0	Hmm, there's something wrong with your BIOS code then, because I don't recall any Thoroughbred or Barton CPUs that run at 1.70V. In fact, I did some digging and found a thread with all the default voltages for all the Tbred and Barton CPUs: http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=174028 __________________ ASUS K8N-E Motherboard Athlon 64 3200+ 10x200MHz Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu Heatsink & Fan 2x512MB Mushkin Black Level 2 PC-3500 ATi Radeon X800 SE 256MB 100GB Western Digital SE 8MB 7200RPM 320GB Seagate 8MB 7200 RPM Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Sony 19" E400 Trinitron Thermaltake Xaser III V2000A All-Aluminum Logitech Z-5300 5.1 Surround Sound

Sep 27, 2003, 10:46 AM	#14
Bane the ECF DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 220 Rep Power: 0	Hmph, as long as your CPU is stable (and your CPU should be okay at 1.70V anyways.) I take it you can't manually adjust your Vcore? __________________ ASUS K8N-E Motherboard Athlon 64 3200+ 10x200MHz Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu Heatsink & Fan 2x512MB Mushkin Black Level 2 PC-3500 ATi Radeon X800 SE 256MB 100GB Western Digital SE 8MB 7200RPM 320GB Seagate 8MB 7200 RPM Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Sony 19" E400 Trinitron Thermaltake Xaser III V2000A All-Aluminum Logitech Z-5300 5.1 Surround Sound

Sep 27, 2003, 11:01 AM	#15
FluffyChicken DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: England Posts: 320 Rep Power: 0	It could just be a 'reading' fault of the voltage, you could try lowering it but chances are you are actually at the correct voltage anyway (it's just reading the wrong voltage) Try BIOS update, these will alter the fudge factors to make it look more reasonable Either way if it works, who cares. __________________ [COLOR=#455b64]Team mauisun.org [/COLOR]

Sep 27, 2003, 07:37 PM	#16
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	I've updated the bios to the latest version, and yes I can adjust my voltage in the bios.

Sep 27, 2003, 09:33 PM	#17
Bane the ECF DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 220 Rep Power: 0	Hmph, I'd manually adjust my Vcore to 1.65V then...but since you're O/Cing anyways, I bet you need the extra voltage anyhow. __________________ ASUS K8N-E Motherboard Athlon 64 3200+ 10x200MHz Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu Heatsink & Fan 2x512MB Mushkin Black Level 2 PC-3500 ATi Radeon X800 SE 256MB 100GB Western Digital SE 8MB 7200RPM 320GB Seagate 8MB 7200 RPM Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Sony 19" E400 Trinitron Thermaltake Xaser III V2000A All-Aluminum Logitech Z-5300 5.1 Surround Sound