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Old Sep 29, 2003, 11:34 AM   #31
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Ya I am definilely partial to the NForce boards. But I just read thia so I am holding on for the absolute best. The 3 boards for today are all Athlon64 boards tested with AMD’s new Athlon64 3200+. AMD has also announced it will release the Athlon64 in 3400+ speed rating in a few weeks. The upcoming 3400+ runs about the same real speed as the new Athlon64FX51.
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Old Sep 29, 2003, 11:42 AM   #32
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And ya know what.
The 64FX is not a gamer board. [ What is very true is that a server motherboard and a server CPU is a much different thing than a gamer motherboard and gamer CPU, and AMD doesn't want the additional complications and costs of making the two meet.

The Opteron-That-Isn't-An-Opteron (aka Athlon FX) is still an Opteron. It's at most a slightly modified server chip, and to meet the demands of the server population, not the gamer population.

It is built to meet certain standards which slow it down a bit and increases cost, in return for increased reliability. Standards like 6-layer plus mobos, and registered RAM.

It's not built to be a gamer board, and the FX isn't meant to be a gamer chip.

You may say, "but the FX does so well at games!" True, but irrelevant. The FX does that despite its server origins (and a lot of the same can be said about Intel's Extreme Edition). Take that Hammer core and build a platform designed for gaming, and it will do even better.

It would also do so cheaper. Build a motherboard that isn't quite the brick an Opteron mobo is, one that emphasizes speed over reliability, and you can make one for less money.
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I was a little down at first cuz I wanted the "gamers processor" but I just spent $650 on ram last week to replace the $400 ram I bought 4 months ago and none of it is compatable with the 64FX. I Hyped now.
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Old Sep 29, 2003, 07:42 PM   #33
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You might want to wait a little with the nForce3:



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Blah at Tom's ....hes the only site that gave the amd 64 a bad review ...go figure

Some pics an did an Aquamark Bench

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You should def. have around like 55,000 in AquaMark3 right now man, unless your doing something completely wrong, like driver errors, or running full AA and AF, as Z said, something is def. up, check on it man.
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And ya know what.
The 64FX is not a gamer board. [ What is very true is that a server motherboard and a server CPU is a much different thing than a gamer motherboard and gamer CPU, and AMD doesn't want the additional complications and costs of making the two meet.

The Opteron-That-Isn't-An-Opteron (aka Athlon FX) is still an Opteron. It's at most a slightly modified server chip, and to meet the demands of the server population, not the gamer population.

It is built to meet certain standards which slow it down a bit and increases cost, in return for increased reliability. Standards like 6-layer plus mobos, and registered RAM.

It's not built to be a gamer board, and the FX isn't meant to be a gamer chip.

You may say, "but the FX does so well at games!" True, but irrelevant. The FX does that despite its server origins (and a lot of the same can be said about Intel's Extreme Edition). Take that Hammer core and build a platform designed for gaming, and it will do even better.

It would also do so cheaper. Build a motherboard that isn't quite the brick an Opteron mobo is, one that emphasizes speed over reliability, and you can make one for less money.
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I was a little down at first cuz I wanted the "gamers processor" but I just spent $650 on ram last week to replace the $400 ram I bought 4 months ago and none of it is compatable with the 64FX. I Hyped now.
I would say that this is currently true, AFX is just the rush to get the product out for launch. Eventually, it will be the gamer's chip in 939 pin version. This will allow for the things like unregistered ram and thinner, cheaper mobos. It could probably be hacked down a little more from the opteron and hopefully made a little cheaper too. Definately A64 is close enough to be best buy at this time.
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The extremely low AGP performance of the NForce3 can be clearly attributed to problems with the HyperTransport channel interface to the Northbridge. That is proven by the benchmark results and the performance differences of up to 33.2 percent. Details about this can be found in the benchmark section of this article.
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Heh, funny thing is the only benchmarks in that review where the nforce3 didnt perform like the k8t800 . . . are 2 tests in specviewperf
Yeah, I guess that means "extremely low AGP performance." Maybe Tom should return to writing his own articles.
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Heh, funny thing is the only benchmarks in that review where the nforce3 didnt perform like the k8t800 . . . are 2 tests in specviewperf
Yeah, I guess that means "extremely low AGP performance." Maybe Tom should return to writing his own articles.
Nah.. I like the way THG compares lemons against bananas, gives the user a idea wich one is yellow
Yes maybe he should do with what he's good at, filling his wal... euh mean, erm..what was he good at again
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Old Sep 30, 2003, 08:26 AM Threadstarter Thread Starter   #39
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Well, when I get my machine up and running. I will post up the sandra and aida32 compare pics, of course along with 3dmark and aquamark.
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Well, I'm not really all that rich, I'm just good at wheeling and dealing. I already found someone to buy my old system for full price.
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Not to bring you down....... But you won't see a big increase if any over your current rig...... But new hardware is always a thrill though.. Hope you have fun
disagree.... but he's in for a suprize... amd uses indepentant busses for each cpu so the bus speed will be 400mhz untill he opts for the second cpu.. then he'll get his 800mhz buss and the early chipsets and i could be wrong on this are only really pushing pc2700 memory wise...

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if people only play games, then these upgrades are kind of pointless apart from the cool factor. alot of people I know only use pcs for gaming, now thats a scary thought......

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64bit wont affect games???
if it's 32 bit no ... but you still see the 1 mb cache
if its 64bit or has 64 bit versions like some game like ut2004
All the ATI radeons support 64 bit drivers

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I am going to but one tonight if I can find a board becides the gigabite board. Are there others yet. Perferably NForce3
word to the wise ...I'd advise waiting a bit... mabe till at lest the end of the year... let them come out with better chipsets and not to mention the price "will" drop like a rock....
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disagree.... but he's in for a suprize... amd uses indepentant busses for each cpu so the bus speed will be 400mhz untill he opts for the second cpu.. then he'll get his 800mhz buss and the early chipsets and i could be wrong on this are only really pushing pc2700 memory wise...

Not that I know of, my board that I ordered supports DDR400+.


EDIT: What problems with chipsets, drivers, or any other error with a computer means to me.

Simple, it means progress, it means people are trying new things to improve on what we have. Without risk or mistakes, there really is no advancment.
I'm fully ready to upgrade my board if a revised nForce3-150 comes out. It's all part of the computer loving life.
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if it's 32 bit no ... but you still see the 1 mb cache
if its 64bit or has 64 bit versions like some game like ut2004
All the ATI radeons support 64 bit drivers

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what's the difference between 32bit and 64bit UT??? better graphics????
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what's the difference between 32bit and 64bit UT??? better graphics????
possably but is same game... mostly means it will run faster.... higher fps...

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faster on Ut64 with 64bit chip??
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disagree.... but he's in for a suprize... amd uses indepentant busses for each cpu so the bus speed will be 400mhz untill he opts for the second cpu.. then he'll get his 800mhz buss and the early chipsets and i could be wrong on this are only really pushing pc2700 memory wise...
well thats not quite true actually

the system bus on an Athlon64 is currently 1.6Ghz (yes the bus not the CPU) and the memory bus is 400Mhz at this point.

400MHz = 3.2GB of data per second
1.6GHz = 6.4GB of data per second


Since the memory bus and system bus are mostly isolated that equals 9.6GBPS of potential bandwidth when operating in 64bit mode.

Trust me on this one some of the things we have now arent tapping into that bandwidth as they arent coded to use it yet.

Just wait until some AMD64 optimized apps come out. Intel will be so far in the dust even their new CPU's will look like relics
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W00T! I think I can fit my SP-94 on this beast!
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A64 > P4

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Now, I have to go run errands....
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Ya I accually just came accross the Asus. I have never ordered online before. Is the shipping safe, As far as damage goes?
Driver7... may i ask wereabouts your ordering online? (or some places you are looking at.... you are in canada arn't you? )
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Ya Judas I'm in Vancouver. I have stoped looking online to buy a board due to the fact that the 64Bit 3400+ will be comming out in a few weeks and that is the processor I want. There should be plenty of 64bit boards in town by then. (I hope).
I was shopping arround on NCIX's site and then just random pages that I found by linking to.
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Old Oct 1, 2003, 06:46 AM   #56
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You should def. have around like 55,000 in AquaMark3 right now man, unless your doing something completely wrong, like driver errors, or running full AA and AF, as Z said, something is def. up, check on it man.


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Ya Judas I'm in Vancouver. I have stoped looking online to buy a board due to the fact that the 64Bit 3400+ will be comming out in a few weeks and that is the processor I want. There should be plenty of 64bit boards in town by then. (I hope).
I was shopping arround on NCIX's site and then just random pages that I found by linking to.
Have you ever gotten anything off any of those sites.... I need to get myself a mobo.. NF7-S 2.0 abit.... and i can't find any Canadian sites.....
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I found them through www.pricenetwork.ca The only have one store listed in Sask sadly.

I shop at www.memoryexperss.com here in Calgary. They have rev2 for MSI and Gigabyte. They stopped carrying ABIT sadly, and seem to be moving more toward server boards. Good luck.
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Old Oct 2, 2003, 04:30 AM   #59
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Ya know what I havent ordered from them online. But When I want to deal with professionals as opposed to the know it all's at my local extreme store I go to NCIX. I can tell you that they are "canada's online store".
I bought a soltek SL-FRN2-RL mobo from NCIX and there was a common NForce 2 problem where if your pc freezed or crashed while saving your bio's settings it would never boot again. Mine died 5 times and each time they exchanged it right there on the spot with no questions asked all 5 times. I would have to give them a thumbs up.
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Dont really know much about the settings for the AA & AF ...plus it was alil limited by my ram which will be fixed tom. afternoon...19472 not to shabby I guess...
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