Got a router recently....

tek · Oct 11, 2003, 07:56 PM

I got a router not too long ago, to connect the two computers in my house on a network.
The router is a LanCast 4490, and I can connect up to 7x connections on it.

I'm running a Motorola SurfBoard SB4100 Cable Modem on a Adelphia Powerlink Connection.

And I just cant for the life of it get BOTH computers to work on internet AT THE SAME TIME, what am I doing wrong, do I have to set something up in Windows XP? I know I have the cables connected right to the router because if I shut off my main PC, and reboot the modem, the second PC internet will work, but if I want to go back to MY main PC with internet, I have to reboot my cable modem once again to have internet on the main computer (hope I didnt confuse anybody....) - anyways, all I want is for both computers to work on a network (to be able to surf internet at the same time on both comps), any ideas?

Thanks, Ivan.

tek · Oct 12, 2003, 08:41 PM

Nobody here with a router? Pretty unbelievable....

Zardon · Oct 12, 2003, 09:49 PM

could be your motorola firmware. I had a problem with my netgear router with the same modem as you, but I found an updated firmware and instructions on how to flash it. I did post this on DH at the time, maybe if you do a find for motorola (ill have a look in a minute as well for it). that sorted my problem. I also had to flash the firmware of my netgear router too as ICQ wouldnt work..... everything I buy lately i have to flash firmwares for, what are these companies up to !!

Zardon · Oct 12, 2003, 09:58 PM

ok what a hunt that was. I originally thought I originated the thread, but i posted the info for upgrading your firmware in your motorola on page 2 of this thread http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...&postid=195533 also be sure to check out your routers site for any updates. some routers have issues with alot of instantaneous connections.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Oct 12, 2003, 10:19 PM

it's your setup man. go into your router config... you need to have it use a clone mac adress otherwise it's reports 1 to 7 mac adresses and you isp is only gonna give one of those a connection.... it's hard to explain but there mabe other reasons but i have a feeling I've hit the nail right on the head here....

EDIT: make sure your uplink buttion isn't on eather

EDIT: http://broadband.motorola.com/consum...tinuedProducts

firmawre updates nope only usb driver updates...... firmware is auto upadted by your provided anyways

Matth · Oct 12, 2003, 10:32 PM

According to the sites I've found, the Lancast 4490 is a HUB, not a router - and your results certainly seem like what you'd expect if you used a hub instead.

If you already have a good hub, you can use a "single port router" - or if the modem firmare supports it, you may be able to enable NAT in there -- in some cases, the option is cryptically referred to as a built-in firewall, as enableing NAT prevents incoming probes - and unless it has a way to direct it, any incoming traffic at all!

tek · Oct 13, 2003, 02:09 AM

I thought a HUB could work as a router, so you could have more than 1 connections on one internet line?

AM I wrong, and thanks Z and Neon, I appreciate it.

Bane the ECF · Oct 13, 2003, 05:17 AM

A hub can work as a router as long as your ISP approves of having multiple computers on your internet connection. Otherwise, you need a router.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Oct 13, 2003, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tek
I thought a HUB could work as a router, so you could have more than 1 connections on one internet line?

AM I wrong, and thanks Z and Neon, I appreciate it.

hmm... it's all good... you can pick up a router for about $30 if your lucky or u could setup internet shareing and just plug in a nother eathernet card...

Zardon · Oct 13, 2003, 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by The_Neon_Cowboy
hmm... it's all good... you can pick up a router for about $30 if your lucky or u could setup internet shareing and just plug in a nother eathernet card...

internet sharing is fine but the primary computer needs to be on all the time to access the net from other pcs. I would definately go with a router, so they are all connected directly to the net. Just make sure you have good antivirus software on all the machines and that your router is locked down tight with the minimum of ports open. plenty of online sites to test how secure your network is (sygate, nortons, shieldsup etc) and I would put it to the test immediately once you have it all working.

Chaos · Oct 13, 2003, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tek
I thought a HUB could work as a router, so you could have more than 1 connections on one internet line?

AM I wrong, and thanks Z and Neon, I appreciate it.

A hub just gives the ability to connect multiple systems together like a peer to peer network situation, a switch is very similar except it seperates each channel from the others to prevent data collisions, a router does all the above plus it hides all other PC's from the outside of your home network, it acts as a firewall and a DHCP server as well

krazy1 · Oct 13, 2003, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chaos
A hub just gives the ability to connect multiple systems together like a peer to peer network situation, a switch is very similar except it seperates each channel from the others to prevent data collisions, a router does all the above plus it hides all other PC's from the outside of your home network, it acts as a firewall and a DHCP server as well

Well you are half right on the switch description. A switch is better then a hub becasue it is "Smart". The switch learns which IP's are on which of it's ports and then when info comes into it, it knows exactly which port to send the info out where as a hub sends the info to all of it's ports. Pretty much like a broadcast. So this makes the switch much more efficient and causes less traffic on your network. Also hubs and switches are used for internal (LAN) connections. If you want to leave your network (WAN) to something like your ISP you have to have some sort of router or a PC to act as a router or a "true" firewall. That is how I run my network. I use a Astaro Security Linux firewall which has 1 NIC in it set up in it to talk to my ISP like a router would. The other 2 NIC's are for my internal network.
Hubs and switches will not connect you to your ISP very well and most ISP's don't like to see it either. I have seen the Linksys 4 port router as cheap as $50 and like cowboy said you can get routers as cheap as $30. Once you have the router you can connect it into your hub/switch and expand your network. I myself have 4 switches on my network........ yea my network is just CRazy.....

tek · Oct 13, 2003, 02:19 PM

So my best bet is to just buy a router and put this HUB under my bed?

Anyways, it looks like my firmware is kind of old *** BOOTING *** SB4100-4.0.9-SCM07-NOSHELL

The newest one for SB4100 that I saw on that page that Z told me to look at is SB4100 Firmware version 4.4.3.

I guess I'll update my firmware as well sometime soon, and I'll go call up Adelphia right now to ask them if I can make this HUB work.

Thanks again guys.

EDIT: I called Adelphia and they said the HUB should work, they allow multiple connections, and that the HUB could be the problem... ? They said to call the makers of this HUB and ask them, but ehh... I dunno, seems kinda stupid, why would the HUB be at fault if it works with one direct connection.

I'll most likely buy a router. We'll see.

krazy1 · Oct 13, 2003, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tek
So my best bet is to just buy a router and put this HUB under my bed?

Anyways, it looks like my firmware is kind of old *** BOOTING *** SB4100-4.0.9-SCM07-NOSHELL

The newest one for SB4100 that I saw on that page that Z told me to look at is SB4100 Firmware version 4.4.3.

I guess I'll update my firmware as well sometime soon, and I'll go call up Adelphia right now to ask them if I can make this HUB work.

Thanks again guys.

EDIT: I called Adelphia and they said the HUB should work, they allow multiple connections, and that the HUB could be the problem... ? They said to call the makers of this HUB and ask them, but ehh... I dunno, seems kinda stupid, why would the HUB be at fault if it works with one direct connection.

I'll most likely buy a router. We'll see.

I would not put the Hub under the bed but yes I would get a router. The router will be more efficient then using the Hub. And like I said before you can hook the hub up to the router for more connections on your network for future use.

tek · Oct 13, 2003, 09:27 PM

Thanks for the advice, now I gotta find a good, cheap router.

Zardon · Oct 13, 2003, 09:31 PM

http://www.netgear.com/products/rout...fefirewall.asp

I recommend this one in particular http://www.netgear.com/products/prod...odID=131&view=

Isenberg123 · Apr 2, 2007, 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tek

I got a router not too long ago, to connect the two computers in my house on a network.
The router is a LanCast 4490, and I can connect up to 7x connections on it..

I also own this router, but I've lost the A/C Adapter. Could you look at yours and tell me what amperage and polarity it is? Thanks.

Ed Isenberg

Isenberg123 · Apr 2, 2007, 03:09 AM

I should have added my Email address: Public1 at Isenberg-family dot net
(I've spelled out the at sign and dot-net suffix to avoid robots that search for Email addresses to spam.

Ed

Judas · Apr 2, 2007, 07:34 PM

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the LanCast 4490 is a network HUB, NOT A ROUTER. (well according to the sites and places i've googled.

To share a internet connection, you must have a Router with it's own WAN, DHCP, and other NAT capabilities to properly share a single highspeed connection.

I've yet to ever EVER see anyone successfully get a hub to share a internet connection that is also plugged into the hub.

IMO, the cheapest solution would probably be a DLink DI-604 (the newest revisions are working very very well). For a wireless router, I'm still sticking with the AirLink101 AWR525 MIMO XR routers.

Course for the best router i've ever seen or used PERIOD, Xincom ( www.xincom.com ) have probably the cheapest, most steller wired routers anyone could use.

Oct 11, 2003, 07:56 PM	#1
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	Got a router recently.... I got a router not too long ago, to connect the two computers in my house on a network. The router is a LanCast 4490, and I can connect up to 7x connections on it. I'm running a Motorola SurfBoard SB4100 Cable Modem on a Adelphia Powerlink Connection. And I just cant for the life of it get BOTH computers to work on internet AT THE SAME TIME, what am I doing wrong, do I have to set something up in Windows XP? I know I have the cables connected right to the router because if I shut off my main PC, and reboot the modem, the second PC internet will work, but if I want to go back to MY main PC with internet, I have to reboot my cable modem once again to have internet on the main computer (hope I didnt confuse anybody....) - anyways, all I want is for both computers to work on a network (to be able to surf internet at the same time on both comps), any ideas? Thanks, Ivan. __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR]

Oct 12, 2003, 08:41 PM	Thread Starter #2
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	Nobody here with a router? Pretty unbelievable.... __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR]

Oct 12, 2003, 09:49 PM	#3
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	never heard of that router, im in the UK though..... could be your motorola firmware. I had a problem with my netgear router with the same modem as you, but I found an updated firmware and instructions on how to flash it. I did post this on DH at the time, maybe if you do a find for motorola (ill have a look in a minute as well for it). that sorted my problem. I also had to flash the firmware of my netgear router too as ICQ wouldnt work..... everything I buy lately i have to flash firmwares for, what are these companies up to !!

Oct 12, 2003, 10:19 PM	#5
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	it's your setup man. go into your router config... you need to have it use a clone mac adress otherwise it's reports 1 to 7 mac adresses and you isp is only gonna give one of those a connection.... it's hard to explain but there mabe other reasons but i have a feeling I've hit the nail right on the head here.... EDIT: make sure your uplink buttion isn't on eather EDIT: http://broadband.motorola.com/consum...tinuedProducts firmawre updates nope only usb driver updates...... firmware is auto upadted by your provided anyways __________________ Last edited by The_Neon_Cowboy; Oct 12, 2003 at 10:27 PM.

Oct 13, 2003, 02:09 AM	Thread Starter #7
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	I thought a HUB could work as a router, so you could have more than 1 connections on one internet line? AM I wrong, and thanks Z and Neon, I appreciate it. __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR]

Oct 12, 2003, 09:58 PM	#4
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	ok what a hunt that was. I originally thought I originated the thread, but i posted the info for upgrading your firmware in your motorola on page 2 of this thread http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...&postid=195533 also be sure to check out your routers site for any updates. some routers have issues with alot of instantaneous connections.

Oct 12, 2003, 10:32 PM	#6
Matth Flash Banner Hater Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,426 Rep Power: 93 System Specs	According to the sites I've found, the Lancast 4490 is a HUB, not a router - and your results certainly seem like what you'd expect if you used a hub instead. If you already have a good hub, you can use a "single port router" - or if the modem firmare supports it, you may be able to enable NAT in there -- in some cases, the option is cryptically referred to as a built-in firewall, as enableing NAT prevents incoming probes - and unless it has a way to direct it, any incoming traffic at all!

Oct 13, 2003, 05:17 AM	#8
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Oct 13, 2003, 02:19 PM	Thread Starter #13
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	So my best bet is to just buy a router and put this HUB under my bed? Anyways, it looks like my firmware is kind of old * BOOTING * SB4100-4.0.9-SCM07-NOSHELL The newest one for SB4100 that I saw on that page that Z told me to look at is SB4100 Firmware version 4.4.3. I guess I'll update my firmware as well sometime soon, and I'll go call up Adelphia right now to ask them if I can make this HUB work. Thanks again guys. EDIT: I called Adelphia and they said the HUB should work, they allow multiple connections, and that the HUB could be the problem... ? They said to call the makers of this HUB and ask them, but ehh... I dunno, seems kinda stupid, why would the HUB be at fault if it works with one direct connection. I'll most likely buy a router. We'll see. __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR] Last edited by tek; Oct 13, 2003 at 02:46 PM.

Oct 13, 2003, 09:27 PM	Thread Starter #15
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	Thanks for the advice, now I gotta find a good, cheap router. __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR]

Oct 13, 2003, 09:31 PM	#16
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	http://www.netgear.com/products/rout...fefirewall.asp I recommend this one in particular http://www.netgear.com/products/prod...odID=131&view=

Apr 2, 2007, 03:09 AM	#18
Isenberg123 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	I should have added my Email address: Public1 at Isenberg-family dot net (I've spelled out the at sign and dot-net suffix to avoid robots that search for Email addresses to spam. Ed