My barton VS. tbred testing

~~craig588~~ · Oct 30, 2003, 01:48 AM

I finally got my new mobo, and I did testing with my barton @2450/222 MHz fsb. I got about 1000 more points in 3dmark 03 than with my tbred @ 2501/ 227MHz FSB. I think these are the overclock limits of both of these chips, I might be able to take the barton 1 FSB higher, it didn't work at 225, so I dropped it to 222, but this is close to the limit.

I should have done more tests with my tbred, but my results definatly conflict with Shuki's results.

I can now whole heartedly reccomend a barton 2500+ to anyone wondering to get a tbred or a barton, or a higher speed one. I got the same overclocks as people with 2500+s, but this is with a 3000+. (I'm not at all disapointed kakarot)

FluffyChicken · Oct 30, 2003, 11:26 AM

For the info,
Barton at 222MHz (should be 2442MHz) is a 3800+
T-Bred at 227MHz (should be 2497MHz) is a 3300+

Not bad btw

~~craig588~~ · Oct 30, 2003, 11:30 AM

I checked the speeds with Wcpuid. The FSB usually is never exactly 222 mhz, mine is acctually 222.73, so when that .73MHz is added in, it will slightly increase the clock.

FluffyChicken · Oct 30, 2003, 02:44 PM

I know

The 'should be' is just for information for the XPxxxx+ rating.

Barton @223 (2453Mhz) is still 3800+
get it to 226Mhz (2486MHz) bus and you'll 3900+ just.. but doesn't look like you'll get there.
Either way from a 2500+ to a 3800+ for the cost of these CPU's is err a bargain

mind you could always try 220x11.5

(4000+)

dipstick · Oct 30, 2003, 03:07 PM

Hey, thats pretty good Craig, I'm glad you figured things out. I also got the same results while benching my old tbred against a slower barton...they are definitely the way to go. I had gone through three bartons myself and they all died out at about 2.45GHz; I'm starting to think that's the limit for most(without crazy voltages atleast). Glad you got a good OC bud

tek · Oct 30, 2003, 03:28 PM

I'm happy for ya craig, enjoy it.
You mind running SiSoftware Sandra CPU Benchmark and tell me what you got for MFLOPS and MIPS ?

thanks

~~craig588~~ · Oct 30, 2003, 07:30 PM

I got identical scores in sandra with my tbred and barton. (acctually the batron was little bit slower, but thats probably attributed to the slight clock drop)

FluffyChicken · Oct 30, 2003, 07:50 PM

Yeah the Sandra benchmark take no account of the cache and is really not a very good benchmark at all for comparing CPU speeds. Also given most optimizations are aimed at the P4 and not turned on for AMD or AMD64!

Run some application benchmarks or benchmarks in games you actually play.

Have you tried with more relaxed latancy timings?

~~craig588~~ · Oct 30, 2003, 08:07 PM

why would I want to? 2-2-2-11 is the best settings for a AXP chip.

FluffyChicken · Oct 31, 2003, 10:25 AM

just to see if you can get slightly higher MHz.
For the fun and curiosity

~~craig588~~ · Oct 31, 2003, 03:10 PM

but the performance would be worse......

FluffyChicken · Nov 1, 2003, 09:53 AM

ah but that's not the challenge (and it may not be). Once you have it you can always go back.
Something for a rainy day (now your going to say it very rarely rains near you

)

~~craig588~~ · Nov 1, 2003, 01:55 PM

oh, you want me to get temporary speeds just for benching? I hate doing that, I only bench at my perfectly stable stettings.

Prime95 overnight, with CPU burn to pick up the slack.

This chip is the limiting factor, because I know the ram works at at least 227MHz completely stable, and I know the mobo can do the same.

FluffyChicken · Nov 2, 2003, 01:55 PM

Not for benchmark I don't particularly liek benchmark, but more to see the big fat 4000+ See if you can squeeze a little more out of the old CPU.

Either way I would be damn pleased with what you've got already :-).

Have you tried the Nvidia Util thingamy bob for the mobo ? I've not got a nForce to try it with.

Oct 30, 2003, 01:48 AM	#1
~~craig588~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In clothing Posts: 3,510 Rep Power: 0	My barton VS. tbred testing I finally got my new mobo, and I did testing with my barton @2450/222 MHz fsb. I got about 1000 more points in 3dmark 03 than with my tbred @ 2501/ 227MHz FSB. I think these are the overclock limits of both of these chips, I might be able to take the barton 1 FSB higher, it didn't work at 225, so I dropped it to 222, but this is close to the limit. I should have done more tests with my tbred, but my results definatly conflict with Shuki's results. I can now whole heartedly reccomend a barton 2500+ to anyone wondering to get a tbred or a barton, or a higher speed one. I got the same overclocks as people with 2500+s, but this is with a 3000+. (I'm not at all disapointed kakarot)

Oct 30, 2003, 11:26 AM	#2
FluffyChicken DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: England Posts: 320 Rep Power: 0	For the info, Barton at 222MHz (should be 2442MHz) is a 3800+ T-Bred at 227MHz (should be 2497MHz) is a 3300+ Not bad btw __________________ [COLOR=#455b64]Team mauisun.org [/COLOR]

Oct 30, 2003, 02:44 PM	#4
FluffyChicken DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: England Posts: 320 Rep Power: 0	I know The 'should be' is just for information for the XPxxxx+ rating. Barton @223 (2453Mhz) is still 3800+ get it to 226Mhz (2486MHz) bus and you'll 3900+ just.. but doesn't look like you'll get there. Either way from a 2500+ to a 3800+ for the cost of these CPU's is err a bargain mind you could always try 220x11.5 (4000+) __________________ [COLOR=#455b64]Team mauisun.org [/COLOR]

Oct 30, 2003, 03:28 PM	#6
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	I'm happy for ya craig, enjoy it. You mind running SiSoftware Sandra CPU Benchmark and tell me what you got for MFLOPS and MIPS ? thanks __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR]

Oct 30, 2003, 07:50 PM	#8
FluffyChicken DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: England Posts: 320 Rep Power: 0	Yeah the Sandra benchmark take no account of the cache and is really not a very good benchmark at all for comparing CPU speeds. Also given most optimizations are aimed at the P4 and not turned on for AMD or AMD64! Run some application benchmarks or benchmarks in games you actually play. Have you tried with more relaxed latancy timings? __________________ [COLOR=#455b64]Team mauisun.org [/COLOR]

Oct 30, 2003, 11:30 AM	Thread Starter #3
~~craig588~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In clothing Posts: 3,510 Rep Power: 0	I checked the speeds with Wcpuid. The FSB usually is never exactly 222 mhz, mine is acctually 222.73, so when that .73MHz is added in, it will slightly increase the clock.

Oct 30, 2003, 03:07 PM	#5
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Hey, thats pretty good Craig, I'm glad you figured things out. I also got the same results while benching my old tbred against a slower barton...they are definitely the way to go. I had gone through three bartons myself and they all died out at about 2.45GHz; I'm starting to think that's the limit for most(without crazy voltages atleast). Glad you got a good OC bud

Oct 30, 2003, 07:30 PM	Thread Starter #7
~~craig588~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In clothing Posts: 3,510 Rep Power: 0	I got identical scores in sandra with my tbred and barton. (acctually the batron was little bit slower, but thats probably attributed to the slight clock drop)

Oct 30, 2003, 08:07 PM	Thread Starter #9
~~craig588~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In clothing Posts: 3,510 Rep Power: 0	why would I want to? 2-2-2-11 is the best settings for a AXP chip.

Oct 31, 2003, 10:25 AM	#10
FluffyChicken DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: England Posts: 320 Rep Power: 0	just to see if you can get slightly higher MHz. For the fun and curiosity __________________ [COLOR=#455b64]Team mauisun.org [/COLOR]

Oct 31, 2003, 03:10 PM	Thread Starter #11
~~craig588~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In clothing Posts: 3,510 Rep Power: 0	but the performance would be worse......

Nov 1, 2003, 09:53 AM	#12
FluffyChicken DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: England Posts: 320 Rep Power: 0	ah but that's not the challenge (and it may not be). Once you have it you can always go back. Something for a rainy day (now your going to say it very rarely rains near you ) __________________ [COLOR=#455b64]Team mauisun.org [/COLOR]

Nov 1, 2003, 01:55 PM	Thread Starter #13
~~craig588~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In clothing Posts: 3,510 Rep Power: 0	oh, you want me to get temporary speeds just for benching? I hate doing that, I only bench at my perfectly stable stettings. Prime95 overnight, with CPU burn to pick up the slack. This chip is the limiting factor, because I know the ram works at at least 227MHz completely stable, and I know the mobo can do the same.

Nov 2, 2003, 01:55 PM	#14
FluffyChicken DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: England Posts: 320 Rep Power: 0	Not for benchmark I don't particularly liek benchmark, but more to see the big fat 4000+ See if you can squeeze a little more out of the old CPU. Either way I would be damn pleased with what you've got already :-). Have you tried the Nvidia Util thingamy bob for the mobo ? I've not got a nForce to try it with. __________________ [COLOR=#455b64]Team mauisun.org [/COLOR]