Lol, i think the prices are off...

Yeti · Jul 14, 2002, 11:47 AM

I just realized, here we are... a bunch of techs posting info about PC prices etc..

But we don't include the costs for an OS... i mean not that many people run linux. (Redhat myself). So where are they gonna get the OS from?

I think its very interesting to note that on hardware sites (other than DH of course

) it has become commonplace to use pirated Win Os'es.

Thoughts?

digitalwanderer · Jul 14, 2002, 12:12 PM

What? People pirate Microsoft?!? For shame, for shame!

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Mark7 · Jul 14, 2002, 12:55 PM

Is this "pirating" thing ACTUALLY happening here and now in today's world? I thought pirating died out in the 1800's; except, I'm told, for a few large sleazy, software companies that continue to try to control markets through underhanded and Illegal (according to the Federal Judges) practices. Those practices are as close to "pirating" as you can get today, it would seem.

~~Crash Override~~ · Jul 14, 2002, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark7
Is this "pirating" thing ACTUALLY happening here and now in today's world? I thought pirating died out in the 1800's; except, I'm told, for a few large sleazy, software companies that continue to try to control markets through underhanded and Illegal (according to the Federal Judges) practices. Those practices are as close to "pirating" as you can get today, it would seem.

pirating refers to when you rip or use software that has been ripped off of a cd without paying for it so yes the "pirating" thing is still going on

DallasStar · Jul 14, 2002, 06:20 PM

I get free corporate versions of Microsoft software from my father's workplace

. I don't trust warez sites.

Yeti · Jul 15, 2002, 07:21 AM

Quote:

I get free corporate versions of Microsoft software from my father's workplace big grin . I don't trust warez sites.

Uhuh, and you know how much corporate costs? How about enterprise? Lol... i don't think it's quite "free".

In any case i know my company keeps a clean nose when it comes to licensing software... we even have some spare licenses to boot.

HsuGotaQ · Jul 15, 2002, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Yeti
I think its very interesting to note that on hardware sites (other than DH of course ) it has become commonplace to use pirated Win Os'es. Thoughts?

Hmmm... i'd say that pretty much every body has at least on piece of pirated software or illegal file on his pc. We are all pulling the same stunt as Worldcom or Enron. Hidding stuff onto our pc and disclosing only what we have (legally?). MS recreated the pc and it wouldn't be as highly used as it is now if is wasnt for them. (for those mac people out their, yep apple do the same, but the price factor really doesnt help at all)

Bah... what am I saying... why pay for something that you have no choice to use. Those MS farkers have pined us to a corner. Yes their exists also FreeBSD, Solarix, Linux', Mac OS as OSes but M$ did corner the market in their direction. I'd like to switch completely to FreeBSD, but I wouldn't be able to play a whole bunch of games, use a whole bunch of applications on that OS. Ah man... now i'm pissed off... crap!

digitalwanderer · Jul 15, 2002, 09:01 AM

Is that yes M$ is entitled to something for their labors, but they want WAY too much and are screwing people over in ways the peeps have no clue about. I compromised with myself and my guilt by buying one licensed copy of windows for every PC I have, and then running whatever the hell I'm feeling like on them. (I tend to change OSs for fun the way other people change socks.

)

I run mainly 98se; but I've got a legal 3.1, 95, 98, 98se, & XP Pro license. It might not be exactly legal, but I feel morally justified. (Or at least comfortable rationalizing it away like that.

)

Mark7 · Jul 15, 2002, 09:25 AM

HsuGotaQ:
"Ah man... now i'm pissed off... crap!"
And you have a right to be mad!! M$ used (according to most legal eagles) underhanded and illegal tatics to wind up controlling the desktop OS market. When they came up with the "Windows" scheme, it was a simple rip-off of Apples' then current software - which was a blatant rip-off of the work that Zerox did at their PARC facitlity. M$ used the philosophy of using a common driver bank (API's, .dll's. etc) so that each program would use the same drivers thereby making it "easier" for software writers to produce a product. The problem now is that different companies have started installing their own version of a .dll, which screws up someone else's software that was depending on an original .dll. AND - most of the better game people never did use the M$ .dll libraries. They simply include their own drivers for whatever video card, etc, that you have.

M$ will now allow more then one version of a .dll to be running at the same time to head off the substitution problem; but that brings us right back where we were before Windows came along - separate drivers for most functions.

IF, big _IF_, M$ had been required to use industry standard libraries for drivers (or make their own freely available), we likely would have more choices in Operating Systems - except for the monopolistic practices that M$ used to "force" oem's to use only Windows on their systems. Before you say "oem's could install other OS's", not true. Initially their contracts with oem's said (essentially) "can't use other OS's or you forfeit your right ot use our WIndows". A court battle ensued resulting that being ammended. But then the M$ contacts were changed to read that the oem MUST pay a Windows license on ALL pc's produced, didn't matter if Windows was installed or not.

Bottom line is that by now, given a truly FREE MARKET, we would have had many more OS systems to choose from - some not so good, some easily would have been superior to Windows. And they all would run the same software, games, etc.

I can easily see where a considerable number of people feel a small sense of "getting even" when they use a "pirated" copy of M$'s illgotten market share. Pissed Off - Hell yes!!

HsuGotaQ · Jul 15, 2002, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark7
I can easily see where a considerable number of people feel a small sense of "getting even" when they use a "pirated" copy of M$'s illgotten market share. Pissed Off - Hell yes!!

Amen to that brother! Fight the power! What about we call ourselfs the Tech-Savy Panthers (a la Black panthers) and fight our nemesis!

... hmmm wouldn't it be fun to attack M$ just like in the battle scenes from Braveheart? And all out BUMKMA (Boozed Up Mad Kilt Wearing Army)!

KarlSATX · Jul 15, 2002, 02:01 PM

I find it kind of funny. Computers without OS's. Wal-Mart is selling a computer without an operating system of any kind. Other systems they sell have the new Lindows OS.

Microtel PC's Without Operating Systems

Funny how places do this type of thing.....Makes no sense to me.....A computer without an OS is like a car without gas...My two cents.....

I just figure since Wal-Mart seems to be all about Convenience, they would include an operating system or give some type of discount on the OS of your choice.....

Yeti · Jul 15, 2002, 03:58 PM

Lol, in honesty i own 4 (?) os'es : WINNT4.0, 98, XP, 2k. One copy of each... so i'm covered if MS ever comes to my house.

DallasStar · Jul 15, 2002, 04:31 PM

I own Windows 3.1, 95, 98 beta. I got burnt 98SE, Me, 2000 Corporate, XP Pro Corporate from my dad's workplace.... I'm not sure if that's illegal or not but he is an employee...

Yeti · Jul 15, 2002, 05:24 PM

Quote:

I got burnt 98SE, Me, 2000 Corporate, XP Pro Corporate from my dad's workplace.... I'm not sure if that's illegal or not but he is an employee...

If they know about it is legal....

digitalwanderer · Jul 15, 2002, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dallasstar
I'm not sure if that's illegal or not but he is an employee...

It's not.

Jul 14, 2002, 11:47 AM	#1
Yeti DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 662 Rep Power: 0	Lol, i think the prices are off... I just realized, here we are... a bunch of techs posting info about PC prices etc.. But we don't include the costs for an OS... i mean not that many people run linux. (Redhat myself). So where are they gonna get the OS from? I think its very interesting to note that on hardware sites (other than DH of course ) it has become commonplace to use pirated Win Os'es. Thoughts? __________________ --Oh lord not again

Jul 14, 2002, 12:12 PM	#2
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	What?!? What? People pirate Microsoft?!? For shame, for shame! [SIZE=xx-small]<The Dig whistles innocently and looks cherubically skyward.>[/SIZE] __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Jul 14, 2002, 06:20 PM	#5
DallasStar Junior Join Date: May 2002 Location: Wave Existence Posts: 2,065 Rep Power: 0	I get free corporate versions of Microsoft software from my father's workplace . I don't trust warez sites. __________________ "A picture of my existence... would show a useless wooden stake covered in snow... stuck loosely at a slant in the ground in a ploughed field on the edge of a vast open plain on a dark winter night." --- Franz Kafka

Jul 15, 2002, 09:01 AM	#8
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	My real opinion? Is that yes M$ is entitled to something for their labors, but they want WAY too much and are screwing people over in ways the peeps have no clue about. I compromised with myself and my guilt by buying one licensed copy of windows for every PC I have, and then running whatever the hell I'm feeling like on them. (I tend to change OSs for fun the way other people change socks. ) I run mainly 98se; but I've got a legal 3.1, 95, 98, 98se, & XP Pro license. It might not be exactly legal, but I feel morally justified. (Or at least comfortable rationalizing it away like that. ) __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Jul 15, 2002, 02:01 PM	#11
KarlSATX DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Antonio, Texas, USA Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	I find it kind of funny. Computers without OS's. Wal-Mart is selling a computer without an operating system of any kind. Other systems they sell have the new Lindows OS. Microtel PC's Without Operating Systems Funny how places do this type of thing.....Makes no sense to me.....A computer without an OS is like a car without gas...My two cents..... I just figure since Wal-Mart seems to be all about Convenience, they would include an operating system or give some type of discount on the OS of your choice..... __________________ Koolance PC2-C Mid-Tower FIC AN11 Motherboard AMD AthlonXP 1800+ (Overclocked to 1.61GHz) 512 PC2100 DDR Ram Nvidia GeForce 2 MX Soundblaster Audigy Mp3+

Jul 14, 2002, 12:55 PM	#3
Mark7 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23 Rep Power: 0	Is this "pirating" thing ACTUALLY happening here and now in today's world? I thought pirating died out in the 1800's; except, I'm told, for a few large sleazy, software companies that continue to try to control markets through underhanded and Illegal (according to the Federal Judges) practices. Those practices are as close to "pirating" as you can get today, it would seem.

Jul 15, 2002, 09:25 AM	#9
Mark7 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23 Rep Power: 0	HsuGotaQ: "Ah man... now i'm pissed off... crap!" And you have a right to be mad!! M$ used (according to most legal eagles) underhanded and illegal tatics to wind up controlling the desktop OS market. When they came up with the "Windows" scheme, it was a simple rip-off of Apples' then current software - which was a blatant rip-off of the work that Zerox did at their PARC facitlity. M$ used the philosophy of using a common driver bank (API's, .dll's. etc) so that each program would use the same drivers thereby making it "easier" for software writers to produce a product. The problem now is that different companies have started installing their own version of a .dll, which screws up someone else's software that was depending on an original .dll. AND - most of the better game people never did use the M$ .dll libraries. They simply include their own drivers for whatever video card, etc, that you have. M$ will now allow more then one version of a .dll to be running at the same time to head off the substitution problem; but that brings us right back where we were before Windows came along - separate drivers for most functions. IF, big _IF_, M$ had been required to use industry standard libraries for drivers (or make their own freely available), we likely would have more choices in Operating Systems - except for the monopolistic practices that M$ used to "force" oem's to use only Windows on their systems. Before you say "oem's could install other OS's", not true. Initially their contracts with oem's said (essentially) "can't use other OS's or you forfeit your right ot use our WIndows". A court battle ensued resulting that being ammended. But then the M$ contacts were changed to read that the oem MUST pay a Windows license on ALL pc's produced, didn't matter if Windows was installed or not. Bottom line is that by now, given a truly FREE MARKET, we would have had many more OS systems to choose from - some not so good, some easily would have been superior to Windows. And they all would run the same software, games, etc. I can easily see where a considerable number of people feel a small sense of "getting even" when they use a "pirated" copy of M$'s illgotten market share. Pissed Off - Hell yes!!

Jul 15, 2002, 03:58 PM	Thread Starter #12
Yeti DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 662 Rep Power: 0	Lol, in honesty i own 4 (?) os'es : WINNT4.0, 98, XP, 2k. One copy of each... so i'm covered if MS ever comes to my house. __________________ --Oh lord not again

Jul 15, 2002, 04:31 PM	#13
DallasStar Junior Join Date: May 2002 Location: Wave Existence Posts: 2,065 Rep Power: 0	I own Windows 3.1, 95, 98 beta. I got burnt 98SE, Me, 2000 Corporate, XP Pro Corporate from my dad's workplace.... I'm not sure if that's illegal or not but he is an employee... __________________ "A picture of my existence... would show a useless wooden stake covered in snow... stuck loosely at a slant in the ground in a ploughed field on the edge of a vast open plain on a dark winter night." --- Franz Kafka