AMD Athlon 64 3000+

No_Style · Jan 9, 2004, 10:29 PM

That CPU is a lil speed demon. Reading the review of the AMD Athlon 64 3400+ over at Anandtech. This CPU simply dominates the price/performance market. (CPU only) When including the Mobo which is well over the $200 CAD mark, it's another story. I do agree with Anandtech's comment on how the AMD 64 3400+ simply killed off any reason for a knowledged user to purchase an FX 51. I'm sorry, but unlocked multipliers don't sell things for me.

P.S - Newcastle core which is what the AMD Athlon 64 3000+ is built with now has 512 KB of Cache. Why? I thought AMD was pushing out 64s with 1 MB? Cost? That would explain the cheaper CPU, but is that the sole reason? Anandtech has some speculations, but I was wonderin gif people actually knew.

Vampyromaniac · Jan 10, 2004, 12:33 AM

The speculations I've read are that in producing the 1MB cache chip, there are some that come out with defects in the cache. And of those chips, there are some with defects that affect only a part of the cache, so that disabling the half of the cache with the defect, yields a perfectly working chip, but with 512k cache. So, rather that just throw those chips away, they go ahead and disable that half of the cache, and sell it to at least make some money. I think it makes sense

No_Style · Jan 10, 2004, 12:39 AM

Makes sense. Intel does it for Celeron, Radeon 9800 SEs are prime examples as well. They may look like rejects, but the 3000+ are kick ass rejects

caqde · Jan 10, 2004, 01:45 AM

$200 CAD. Don't know what that is in USD but I just found a ECS 755A Full ATX board for around $91 USD I think that is less than $200 CAD so the price's on Athlon 64 boards seem's to be going down. I've seen some other good boards for less than $130 USD so they seem to be going down. The boards used to range around $160-200 USD, but they seem to be getting around the price of the Athlon XP boards. Price per feature wise. Intel boards I think are still more expensive.

Foosanator · Jan 15, 2004, 10:34 PM

STAY AWAY FROM ECS!!! No Service and NO support. 30% of boards returned defective. Rated one of the worst mobo manufactures out there. I just bought one to see if i could get it to work. Well the usb ports were defective. Returned and bought DFI board.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jan 15, 2004, 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by Vampyromaniac
The speculations I've read are that in producing the 1MB cache chip, there are some that come out with defects in the cache. And of those chips, there are some with defects that affect only a part of the cache, so that disabling the half of the cache with the defect, yields a perfectly working chip, but with 512k cache. So, rather that just throw those chips away, they go ahead and disable that half of the cache, and sell it to at least make some money. I think it makes sense

but as i understand it there getting improperly marketed as haveing 1mb onthe 512k only versions

No_Style · Jan 15, 2004, 10:49 PM

Midrange boards aren't available at vendors here

And yeah, ECS aren't very ELITE.

hohum · Jan 16, 2004, 01:43 AM

I wouldn't recommend ECS boards at all... I dunno about the board's reliability, but their website is a joke. I tried to find updated drivers for an ECS mobo a while back, and simply gave up as it was so badly organised - I couldn't find anything I needed. God help you if you lose the driver disk supplied with the mobo

WildChild · Jan 16, 2004, 02:13 AM

I wouldnt use an ecs mobo as a doorstop personally
Go with the via platform(gigabyte in my opinion GA-K8VNXP rocks!!!) for the 64 bit platform you'll be happier in the long run.

Vampyromaniac · Jan 16, 2004, 02:49 AM

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Originally posted by The_Neon_Cowboy
but as i understand it there getting improperly marketed as haveing 1mb onthe 512k only versions

marketed where? I haven't seen an AMD ad in ages lol

I looked on their site, and they have honest numbers there

caqde · Jan 16, 2004, 04:58 AM

It's not like I was saying ECS was makes good boards. I know they are junk I was just saying it was cheap

. I would rather go with the low end Giga-byte or MSI boards. Like MSI's K8T Neo-FIS2R motherboard that is $128 USD at Newegg and has a $20 mail-in rebate (Like I care about rebate's unless they are Instant) or Giga-byte's K8VT800 which is $99 USD at Newegg but is out of stock... I would probably go with Giga-byte for it's price. I mean it's got all of the PCI slots and it is still under $100.

Jan 9, 2004, 10:29 PM	#1
No_Style Styleless Wonder Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Posts: 6,034 Rep Power: 0	AMD Athlon 64 3000+ That CPU is a lil speed demon. Reading the review of the AMD Athlon 64 3400+ over at Anandtech. This CPU simply dominates the price/performance market. (CPU only) When including the Mobo which is well over the $200 CAD mark, it's another story. I do agree with Anandtech's comment on how the AMD 64 3400+ simply killed off any reason for a knowledged user to purchase an FX 51. I'm sorry, but unlocked multipliers don't sell things for me. P.S - Newcastle core which is what the AMD Athlon 64 3000+ is built with now has 512 KB of Cache. Why? I thought AMD was pushing out 64s with 1 MB? Cost? That would explain the cheaper CPU, but is that the sole reason? Anandtech has some speculations, but I was wonderin gif people actually knew. __________________ "The Best Style Is No Style" Specifications Here

Jan 10, 2004, 12:33 AM	#2
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	The speculations I've read are that in producing the 1MB cache chip, there are some that come out with defects in the cache. And of those chips, there are some with defects that affect only a part of the cache, so that disabling the half of the cache with the defect, yields a perfectly working chip, but with 512k cache. So, rather that just throw those chips away, they go ahead and disable that half of the cache, and sell it to at least make some money. I think it makes sense __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Jan 10, 2004, 12:39 AM	Thread Starter #3
No_Style Styleless Wonder Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Posts: 6,034 Rep Power: 0	Yeap Makes sense. Intel does it for Celeron, Radeon 9800 SEs are prime examples as well. They may look like rejects, but the 3000+ are kick ass rejects __________________ "The Best Style Is No Style" Specifications Here

Jan 10, 2004, 01:45 AM	#4
caqde HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: US, IL Posts: 505 Rep Power: 66 System Specs	$200 CAD. Don't know what that is in USD but I just found a ECS 755A Full ATX board for around $91 USD I think that is less than $200 CAD so the price's on Athlon 64 boards seem's to be going down. I've seen some other good boards for less than $130 USD so they seem to be going down. The boards used to range around $160-200 USD, but they seem to be getting around the price of the Athlon XP boards. Price per feature wise. Intel boards I think are still more expensive. __________________ AMD Phenom II X4 925 AM3/ Giga-byte MA790XT-UD4P XFX HD5770 1GB / 2x8GB of Geil DDR3 12800 10-10-10-28 Samsung SH-S182D DVD-RW drive / Sony Optiarc BD-5300S BD-RW drive Western Digital WD1501FASS(Primary)/Western Digital 15EADS(Secondary)/Western Digital 7500AACS(Secondary)/Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320gb(Secondary) Antec TP-550 / CoolerMaster CMStacker Sound Blaster X-FI Titanium Fatal1ty Professional / Creative Inspire 6600 6.1 speakers Samsugn T200HD 20" LCD Monitor / Logitech Internet 350 Black Keyboard Logitech MX510 Mouse

Jan 15, 2004, 10:49 PM	Thread Starter #7
No_Style Styleless Wonder Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Posts: 6,034 Rep Power: 0	I'm talking about quality midrange Midrange boards aren't available at vendors here And yeah, ECS aren't very ELITE. __________________ "The Best Style Is No Style" Specifications Here

Jan 15, 2004, 10:34 PM	#5
Foosanator DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 41 Rep Power: 0	STAY AWAY FROM ECS!!! No Service and NO support. 30% of boards returned defective. Rated one of the worst mobo manufactures out there. I just bought one to see if i could get it to work. Well the usb ports were defective. Returned and bought DFI board.

Jan 16, 2004, 01:43 AM	#8
hohum HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: UK Posts: 298 Rep Power: 0	I wouldn't recommend ECS boards at all... I dunno about the board's reliability, but their website is a joke. I tried to find updated drivers for an ECS mobo a while back, and simply gave up as it was so badly organised - I couldn't find anything I needed. God help you if you lose the driver disk supplied with the mobo

Jan 16, 2004, 02:13 AM	#9
WildChild I'm Still Watching Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey,U.S.A. Posts: 1,068 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I wouldnt use an ecs mobo as a doorstop personally Go with the via platform(gigabyte in my opinion GA-K8VNXP rocks!!!) for the 64 bit platform you'll be happier in the long run. __________________ Knowledge is SCARY,Stupidity is REALLY frightening

Jan 16, 2004, 04:58 AM	#11
caqde HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: US, IL Posts: 505 Rep Power: 66 System Specs	It's not like I was saying ECS was makes good boards. I know they are junk I was just saying it was cheap . I would rather go with the low end Giga-byte or MSI boards. Like MSI's K8T Neo-FIS2R motherboard that is $128 USD at Newegg and has a $20 mail-in rebate (Like I care about rebate's unless they are Instant) or Giga-byte's K8VT800 which is $99 USD at Newegg but is out of stock... I would probably go with Giga-byte for it's price. I mean it's got all of the PCI slots and it is still under $100. __________________ AMD Phenom II X4 925 AM3/ Giga-byte MA790XT-UD4P XFX HD5770 1GB / 2x8GB of Geil DDR3 12800 10-10-10-28 Samsung SH-S182D DVD-RW drive / Sony Optiarc BD-5300S BD-RW drive Western Digital WD1501FASS(Primary)/Western Digital 15EADS(Secondary)/Western Digital 7500AACS(Secondary)/Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320gb(Secondary) Antec TP-550 / CoolerMaster CMStacker Sound Blaster X-FI Titanium Fatal1ty Professional / Creative Inspire 6600 6.1 speakers Samsugn T200HD 20" LCD Monitor / Logitech Internet 350 Black Keyboard Logitech MX510 Mouse