networking question

Vampyromaniac · Jan 11, 2004, 09:49 PM

Hello there

OK I'm having some trouble getting my setup working. What I'm trying to do is basically share my Internet connection among multiple devices. Easy, you say. Ah, but it's not your everyday setup.

Basically I need to know how to hook up a router to an ICS-enabled PC (to take the shared connection, and distribute it to multiple clients.) I know it may sound dumb, but it's the only way I can share our Internet service. If you need to know the full details of the whole setup, just ask me.

SO, I have ICS enabled on the adapter connected to the ISP. And the PC is connected via cross-over to my router's WAN port. And a laptop (and PlayStation2) is connected to one of the router's ports, but cannot connect to the Internet through all that. (If I connect the laptop directly to the PC via cross-over, it connects to the Internet just fine.)

Here's what I have the IP's are set up as:

Quote:

PC
192.168.0.1
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192.168.0.207
router
192.168.0.99
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192.168.0.124
laptop

If you follow, the PC's IP for ICS is .1, and the IP it gave the router is .207. Then I set the router's LAN IP to .99, and the router gives the laptop .124.
Originally, the router's LAN IP was set as .1, but I changed it to .99 to see if that was causing the problem.

Here are the gateways & masks, if it helps:

Code:

router
IP address      192.168.0.207
subnet mask     255.255.255.0
default gateway 192.168.0.1

laptop
IP address      192.168.0.124
subnet mask     255.255.255.0
default gateway 192.168.0.99

I've tried release/renew/reboot on the router and laptop, but no Internet so far. And like I said, if I connect the laptop directly to the PC, everything works fine after a release/renew. I don't know, is there maybe some inherent problem with connecting through multiple NAT's? (my PC is also going through a NAT from my ISP.) I'm pretty stumped here, even though I'm by no means a veteran at networking

Thanks for any help!

brc64 · Jan 11, 2004, 11:12 PM

Wow, that made my head hurt.

So, if I understand this correctly, you've got the following:

Internet -> PC with ICS
PC with ICS -> Router
Router -> Laptop, PS2, etc

Is that about right?

What I don't really understand is why you're using a router in this setup at all. If you replaced it with a switch, everything would/should work great. Routers are designed to move data across networks, but everything you're using is the same network (192.168.0.0), and that may be causing a problem here. Also, I'm a little confused. You said that ICS gave the router a .145 IP address, yet in your diagram and chart, it's listed with a .207 IP address.

- Me

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jan 12, 2004, 12:29 AM

the router should be hooked to the internet and all the other computers to the router

why the funky setup?

Vampyromaniac · Jan 12, 2004, 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by brc64
Wow, that made my head hurt.

So, if I understand this correctly, you've got the following:

Internet -> PC with ICS
PC with ICS -> Router
Router -> Laptop, PS2, etc

Is that about right?

Yes that's right

Quote:

What I don't really understand is why you're using a router in this setup at all. If you replaced it with a switch, everything would/should work great. Routers are designed to move data across networks, but everything you're using is the same network (192.168.0.0), and that may be causing a problem here. Also, I'm a little confused. You said that ICS gave the router a .145 IP address, yet in your diagram and chart, it's listed with a .207 IP address.

- Me

The .145 was my mistake, just a typo

fixed.

I'm using a router, because that's what I have

I don't want to buy anything if I don't have to. I just thought it would work.
The router has a switch built-in tho, I think. How would I hook it up if I were to use it as a switch? hook the ICS to one of the standard LAN ports? I didn't think that's the proper way . . . . I thought I could treat the ICS PC as I would a cable modem, you know? Just hook it up to the WAN port, and the rest of the devices to the LAN ports.
To clarify, I don't need the PC to be "on the same network" as the laptop (I don't need to shares folders with each other, or do network gaming or anything.)

Vampyromaniac · Jan 12, 2004, 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Neon_Cowboy
the router should be hooked to the internet and all the other computers to the router

why the funky setup?

I cannot do it the normal way; this is the only way I can do it with my ISP.

Judas · Jan 12, 2004, 01:15 AM

dail up internet?

brc64 · Jan 12, 2004, 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vampyromaniac
The router has a switch built-in tho, I think. How would I hook it up if I were to use it as a switch? hook the ICS to one of the standard LAN ports?

Yeah, to use the router as a switch, just plug the cross cable from your ICS PC into one of the LAN ports, and that *should* work. Just make sure all other devices (laptop, PS2) are set to automatically assign IP and DNS (which they should be anyway).

Quote:

I didn't think that's the proper way . . . .

Well, it's not the proper way to use a router, but it should work.

Quote:

I thought I could treat the ICS PC as I would a cable modem, you know? Just hook it up to the WAN port, and the rest of the devices to the LAN ports.

I've never seen such a.. unique.. setup before, but I couldn't tell you. Try using the router as a switch and see if that works.

- Me

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jan 12, 2004, 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vampyromaniac
I cannot do it the normal way; this is the only way I can do it with my ISP.

please explan why a brief explanation would be ok.

does your router not have mac adress cloneing? or something

even with activation software thi still works just fine becouse with the rouiter the isp only sees the routers cloned mac adress

also my router acts like a dhcp server so it sets up my network adresses/ip's for me

mabe i should bug out of this converstaion lol i since a rubegoldberg experiment going on lol

Vampyromaniac · Jan 12, 2004, 08:57 AM

OK, brc, I'm gonna give that a shot and see how it goes

Lol Neon, no secrets, I'll explain it now. The ISP is wireless, my apartment complex is a hotspot. So they gave me a USB Wi-Fi adapter, which is plugged into my PC of course. Since the connection is through that Wi-Fi adapter, I can't plug it into the router, and do a traditional home network. So I tried to so the next best thing . . . enable ICS on the PC it's plugged in to, and plug the PC into the router. It seemed like a simple solution at the time

Vampyromaniac · Jan 12, 2004, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by brc64
Yeah, to use the router as a switch, just plug the cross cable from your ICS PC into one of the LAN ports, and that *should* work.

Well I'll be jiggered. It works! Not with crossover, but with regular straight-through. Cool

the laptop can see the Internet, Now I just gotta see if my roommate's PS2 can connect as well.

Thanks a bunch brc!

brc64 · Jan 12, 2004, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vampyromaniac
Well I'll be jiggered. It works! Not with crossover, but with regular straight-through. Cool the laptop can see the Internet, Now I just gotta see if my roommate's PS2 can connect as well.

Thanks a bunch brc!

Woohoo! All that learnin' at school paid off.

I'm glad it worked for you.

- Me

Judas · Jan 12, 2004, 08:48 PM

how the speed and capability going vamp?

Vampyromaniac · Jan 13, 2004, 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Judas
how the speed and capability going vamp?

What do you mean? My Internet speed? If so, the service is 1.1 Mbps, I'm happy with it overall.

Just to add, it stopped working the next morning

But I had a thought, and went through and set the IP/mask/gate/DNS manually, and everything is fine now. PS2 and everything works fine. Except there's too much lag in NBA Live 2004

So my roomie's mainly hooked on SOCOM II

~~Crash Override~~ · Jan 13, 2004, 06:45 AM

good thing you got it solved

after reading the first post up top I was just going to suggest hooking up a normal pass through cable as crossovers are only needed for pc to pc talk not for pc to router

Vampyromaniac · Jan 13, 2004, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Crash Override
after reading the first post up top I was just going to suggest hooking up a normal pass through cable as crossovers are only needed for pc to pc talk not for pc to router

connecting a PC to the WAN port of a router requires cross-over

Jan 12, 2004, 12:29 AM	#3
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	the router should be hooked to the internet and all the other computers to the router why the funky setup? __________________

Jan 12, 2004, 08:57 AM	Thread Starter #9
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	OK, brc, I'm gonna give that a shot and see how it goes Lol Neon, no secrets, I'll explain it now. The ISP is wireless, my apartment complex is a hotspot. So they gave me a USB Wi-Fi adapter, which is plugged into my PC of course. Since the connection is through that Wi-Fi adapter, I can't plug it into the router, and do a traditional home network. So I tried to so the next best thing . . . enable ICS on the PC it's plugged in to, and plug the PC into the router. It seemed like a simple solution at the time __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Jan 11, 2004, 11:12 PM	#2
brc64 Zeeky H. Bomb Join Date: May 2002 Location: Evansville, IN Posts: 826 Rep Power: 0	Wow, that made my head hurt. So, if I understand this correctly, you've got the following: Internet -> PC with ICS PC with ICS -> Router Router -> Laptop, PS2, etc Is that about right? What I don't really understand is why you're using a router in this setup at all. If you replaced it with a switch, everything would/should work great. Routers are designed to move data across networks, but everything you're using is the same network (192.168.0.0), and that may be causing a problem here. Also, I'm a little confused. You said that ICS gave the router a .145 IP address, yet in your diagram and chart, it's listed with a .207 IP address. - Me

Jan 13, 2004, 06:45 AM	#14
~~Crash Override~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 2,448 Rep Power: 0	good thing you got it solved after reading the first post up top I was just going to suggest hooking up a normal pass through cable as crossovers are only needed for pc to pc talk not for pc to router