High temperature on Barton3200+

~~HawK~~ · May 25, 2004, 04:16 PM

I just got me a Barton 3200+, and since i was out of stock on thermo-grease,
I used the stock-cooler from AMD,
but 60 cel/140f.

that is tad (to) high ain't it? funny though, load or idle is just 1 degree different
So what do you think

zerodamage · May 25, 2004, 04:20 PM

I very very inaccurate temperature monitor is what I think.

Judas · May 25, 2004, 06:15 PM

you used the stock Thermap "PAD" on it?.... what were you running before..

~~HawK~~ · May 25, 2004, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by zerodamage
I very very inaccurate temperature monitor is what I think.

Yeah, when I started it, I went strait to the bios and it already was on 60c

@ Judas yeah everything as the AMD-booklet said I should..
Spire Whisperrock IV, but I need a new thermpad for it, can't run without one (copper)

Judas · May 25, 2004, 06:48 PM

i'd have to agree.... even with just a the stock thermal pad on a retail stock barton heatsink..... at default clocks.. .core is usually no higher then 50*C and 40*C surface.... (that's ASAP in the bios on first boot).....

~~HawK~~ · May 26, 2004, 04:36 PM

Well got it down to 48c, bought a new cooler a "coolermaster jet7" with variable fan to keep the noise down..

scobywhru · May 26, 2004, 04:38 PM

The Aero 7 cool better but are basically the same heatsink it just doesn't look like a jet

davidnsibs · May 26, 2004, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by scobywhru
The Aero 7 cool better but are basically the same heatsink it just doesn't look like a jet

are they? ive got an aero 7 and it keeps my barton 2600 about the same temp as my stock heatsink on my 1600 palamino i used to have (both stock and fan on min revs). seen the jets and thought theyd be better,, they look amazing!

~~HawK~~ · May 26, 2004, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by davidnsibs
are they? ive got an aero 7 and it keeps my barton 2600 about the same temp as my stock heatsink on my 1600 palamino i used to have (both stock and fan on min revs). seen the jets and thought theyd be better,, they look amazing!

yes it cools ok i guess and it has a red led on the rear, and a blue led flashing as a sign it is runnin, altough on top cooling speed you do not need a light to know it's runnin (42db)

but @ 1950 rev's it is very silent (21db)

grog · May 29, 2004, 09:41 AM

Sounds like a air-flow issue more than anything.
How is your air-flow in your case?
Is the case warm to the touch. Should be cool if you have enough air-flow going though the case.
What is the case temps like?
What is the actual room temp?

If you can keep the case no more than about 5c above room temp you are doing well.

Here are my current temps, just measured them:

Idle - Room: 21.1c - Case: 23.9c - MB: 39c - CPU: 36c - System load: 300W

In my case the Case temp is only 2.8c above actual room temp.
When the temp in the room gets hotter the case temp should still be about the same.

This is from a few days back (room was a little warmer). Full load was with the CPU at 100% for 1 hour.
Idle - Room: 23.3c - Case: 26.0c - MB: 41c - CPU: 37c - System load: 300W
Full - Room: 23.3c - Case: 26.1c - MB: 43c - CPU: 50c - System load: 360W

Still the difference from room to case is 2.7c and 2.8c.

Another cause is the temp probe may just be bad. Bad readings are not always reality!
If you case temps are within 5c of room temp at least you know you have good case air flow. Enough that should allow the CPU to cool when not under load. If the heat stays in the case the CPU may not be able to go to lower temps.

Greg

The_Neon_Cowboy · May 29, 2004, 09:53 AM

Should of got your self an alx-800a/or an slk-800 or better your temps would be lower.

My 2500+ even at at 200mhz o/c (2800+) sets at 30C and up to 34C is the higest i've ever seen it...

Edit:
By the way ... My temps were like 48C @ idle with the stock amd cooler.

[COLOR=red] EDITED FOR SPELLING
-Neon [/COLOR]

~~HawK~~ · May 29, 2004, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by grog
Sounds like a air-flow issue more than anything.
How is your air-flow in your case?

Still the difference from room to case is 2.7c and 2.8c.

Nah It's an Antec P160 , inside case never differs more then 2grades from room temp

Quote:

Another cause is the temp probe may just be bad. Bad readings are not always reality!
If you case temps are within 5c of room temp at least you know you have good case air flow. Enough that should allow the CPU to cool when not under load. If the heat stays in the case the CPU may not be able to go to lower temps.
Greg

Yeah here lies the problem if I play for an hour farcry, CPU temp is 1 degree more

@ Neon,
ah yes but in my town there are 2 Computershops, and the Jet7 was the best of the worse

Still it is a good enough cooler if one doesn't overclock,
and it keeps the CPUtemp the same (52c idle)(53c load) on 1900 revs, so it is also a very silent one

~~HawK~~ · May 29, 2004, 11:01 AM

Update: I have taped one of the Antecs thermosensors to the bottem of the cpucooler and it reads 35-40c after one hour, so I could assume the cpu read is wrong..

malkor · May 29, 2004, 12:18 PM

The 7N400 series motherboards are notorious for high CPU readings. They read from the diode and a bios upgrade a few months back supposedly made the readings more exact, like 15 degrees higher than previous bioses. I've seen a lot of people asking about high temps on the 7N400 boards in various forums. If you can get the temps on one of these boards to read at or below 50, you're doing fine.

**dj_stick** · May 29, 2004, 01:09 PM

so no wonder my cpu temps seem high… ga-7nnxp (1 up from the 7n400 pro)

The_Neon_Cowboy · May 29, 2004, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HawK
Update: I have taped one of the Antecs thermosensors to the bottem of the cpucooler and it reads 35-40c after one hour, so I could assume the cpu read is wrong..

NOTE: The probe has to be physically touching the cpu core! The side of it maybe a tiny bit of artic alumina or something not electrically conductive but thermally to help get better contact with the core. If you can get a good contact ten you can’t get a good reading.

Remember your talking about an un-calibrated test probe, Try it with something you for sure that know the temp of for example the room temp next to your thermostat first, to see how far the probe could be off...

BTW: You should have ordered your cooler online then...

[COLOR=red] EDITED FOR SPELLING
-Neon [/COLOR]

~~HawK~~ · May 29, 2004, 07:25 PM

Update2: well it all doesn't matter anymore..
Flashed my bios with the GB winflash after update restarted, and it's dead eversince
back on the trusty old AK32a shuttle- spacewalker (KT266a)

anyone know if the GB can be brought back to live?? (no it hasn't a dual bios)

grog · May 29, 2004, 10:31 PM

If the board actually took the FLASH image you may simply need to clear the CMOS and it will boot fine.
Find the clear CMOS jumper and give it a try.

Greg

~~HawK~~ · May 31, 2004, 12:47 PM

Nope... dead as a dodo

would Gigelbyte accept it for rma ? or do I just throw it away .. enviroment friendly of course.

davidnsibs · May 31, 2004, 12:53 PM

i had my bios die whilst overclocking my a7n8x, treid everything: clearing cmos, removing battery, taking out components and leaving the motherboard to sit still for a while. even tried hotflashing in my servers motherboard but couldnt get it to flash. so i just called asus uk customer services and managed to order a bios chip for £5, which is what like $8, i was well impressed. took about a week or so and it arrived, put it in and worked perfectly.

EDIT: so basically maybe try rma, i couldnt since it was out of warrenty but maybe, i mean, your flashing the bios, something they reccommend if you are having problems (like in your case cpu temp reading innaccuracies), and if not hopefully you can get a new chip from them for quite a small price. if you want to hear about various way to try to reflash your bios browse nforcershq

http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=43267

~~HawK~~ · May 31, 2004, 12:58 PM

Yes but the gigabyte have the bioschip soldered on the mobo, so maybe they try to force you to buy the dual bios version, and if they weren't twice as costly i would be an option

davidnsibs · May 31, 2004, 01:05 PM

seriously? i just looked on their website, looks like plcc socket with your bios in the top left (above the pci cards). unless you mean its been soldered into this, which would be strange?!? http://www.giga-byte.com/Motherboard...0-l_10_big.jpg

May 25, 2004, 04:16 PM	#1
~~HawK~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,092 Rep Power: 0	High temperature on Barton3200+ I just got me a Barton 3200+, and since i was out of stock on thermo-grease, I used the stock-cooler from AMD, but 60 cel/140f. that is tad (to) high ain't it? funny though, load or idle is just 1 degree different So what do you think

May 26, 2004, 04:38 PM	#7
scobywhru DriverHeaven Senile Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Penthouse Basement Posts: 619 Rep Power: 0	The Aero 7 cool better but are basically the same heatsink it just doesn't look like a jet __________________

May 29, 2004, 09:41 AM	#10
grog Roxy Music Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 623 Rep Power: 64 System Specs	Sounds like a air-flow issue more than anything. How is your air-flow in your case? Is the case warm to the touch. Should be cool if you have enough air-flow going though the case. What is the case temps like? What is the actual room temp? If you can keep the case no more than about 5c above room temp you are doing well. Here are my current temps, just measured them: Idle - Room: 21.1c - Case: 23.9c - MB: 39c - CPU: 36c - System load: 300W In my case the Case temp is only 2.8c above actual room temp. When the temp in the room gets hotter the case temp should still be about the same. This is from a few days back (room was a little warmer). Full load was with the CPU at 100% for 1 hour. Idle - Room: 23.3c - Case: 26.0c - MB: 41c - CPU: 37c - System load: 300W Full - Room: 23.3c - Case: 26.1c - MB: 43c - CPU: 50c - System load: 360W Still the difference from room to case is 2.7c and 2.8c. Another cause is the temp probe may just be bad. Bad readings are not always reality! If you case temps are within 5c of room temp at least you know you have good case air flow. Enough that should allow the CPU to cool when not under load. If the heat stays in the case the CPU may not be able to go to lower temps. Greg __________________ Dell UltraSharp 2405FPW 24" LCD Philips 47" 1080p 47pfl7422d/37 LCD ASUS M3A32-MVP Deluxe/WiFi BIOS 1406, AMD Phenom 9600 Agena 2.3GHz, G.SKILL 8GB(4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 (PC2 6400) ASUS EAH4850 TOP/HTDI/512M PCI Express 2.0 Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite Pro Sound Card, 1TB Hard Disk storage Thermaltake Tai-Chi VB5001SNA Black/ Silver Computer Case with liquid cooling AeroCool GateWatch-SV Silver GateWatch with LCD display, PC Power & Cooling 510 SLI-PFC 510W APC Back-UPS XS 1000 UPS, 1000 VA, 600 Watts Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 64-bit VM's (Fedora, RHEL4..etc) Klipsch ProMedia Ultra 5.1

May 29, 2004, 09:53 AM	#11
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	Should of got your self an alx-800a/or an slk-800 or better your temps would be lower. My 2500+ even at at 200mhz o/c (2800+) sets at 30C and up to 34C is the higest i've ever seen it... Edit: By the way ... My temps were like 48C @ idle with the stock amd cooler. [COLOR=red] EDITED FOR SPELLING -Neon [/COLOR] __________________ Last edited by The_Neon_Cowboy; May 30, 2004 at 07:33 AM.

May 29, 2004, 10:31 PM	#18
grog Roxy Music Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 623 Rep Power: 64 System Specs	If the board actually took the FLASH image you may simply need to clear the CMOS and it will boot fine. Find the clear CMOS jumper and give it a try. Greg __________________ Dell UltraSharp 2405FPW 24" LCD Philips 47" 1080p 47pfl7422d/37 LCD ASUS M3A32-MVP Deluxe/WiFi BIOS 1406, AMD Phenom 9600 Agena 2.3GHz, G.SKILL 8GB(4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 (PC2 6400) ASUS EAH4850 TOP/HTDI/512M PCI Express 2.0 Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite Pro Sound Card, 1TB Hard Disk storage Thermaltake Tai-Chi VB5001SNA Black/ Silver Computer Case with liquid cooling AeroCool GateWatch-SV Silver GateWatch with LCD display, PC Power & Cooling 510 SLI-PFC 510W APC Back-UPS XS 1000 UPS, 1000 VA, 600 Watts Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 64-bit VM's (Fedora, RHEL4..etc) Klipsch ProMedia Ultra 5.1

May 25, 2004, 04:20 PM	#2
zerodamage HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 3,478 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I very very inaccurate temperature monitor is what I think.

May 26, 2004, 04:36 PM	Thread Starter #6
~~HawK~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,092 Rep Power: 0	Well got it down to 48c, bought a new cooler a "coolermaster jet7" with variable fan to keep the noise down..

May 29, 2004, 11:01 AM	Thread Starter #13
~~HawK~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,092 Rep Power: 0	Update: I have taped one of the Antecs thermosensors to the bottem of the cpucooler and it reads 35-40c after one hour, so I could assume the cpu read is wrong..

May 29, 2004, 12:18 PM	#14
malkor DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 123 Rep Power: 0	The 7N400 series motherboards are notorious for high CPU readings. They read from the diode and a bios upgrade a few months back supposedly made the readings more exact, like 15 degrees higher than previous bioses. I've seen a lot of people asking about high temps on the 7N400 boards in various forums. If you can get the temps on one of these boards to read at or below 50, you're doing fine.

May 29, 2004, 07:25 PM	Thread Starter #17
~~HawK~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,092 Rep Power: 0	Update2: well it all doesn't matter anymore.. Flashed my bios with the GB winflash after update restarted, and it's dead eversince back on the trusty old AK32a shuttle- spacewalker (KT266a) anyone know if the GB can be brought back to live?? (no it hasn't a dual bios)

May 31, 2004, 12:47 PM	Thread Starter #19
~~HawK~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,092 Rep Power: 0	Nope... dead as a dodo would Gigelbyte accept it for rma ? or do I just throw it away .. enviroment friendly of course.

May 31, 2004, 12:53 PM	#20
davidnsibs 9500pro Forever Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Bath, UK Posts: 273 Rep Power: 0	i had my bios die whilst overclocking my a7n8x, treid everything: clearing cmos, removing battery, taking out components and leaving the motherboard to sit still for a while. even tried hotflashing in my servers motherboard but couldnt get it to flash. so i just called asus uk customer services and managed to order a bios chip for £5, which is what like $8, i was well impressed. took about a week or so and it arrived, put it in and worked perfectly. EDIT: so basically maybe try rma, i couldnt since it was out of warrenty but maybe, i mean, your flashing the bios, something they reccommend if you are having problems (like in your case cpu temp reading innaccuracies), and if not hopefully you can get a new chip from them for quite a small price. if you want to hear about various way to try to reflash your bios browse nforcershq http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=43267 __________________ Goodbye 9500pro, you've been a faithful servant through Half life, Deus Ex, Unreal 2, Max Payne 1+2, Nolf 1+2, CoD, Far Cry, Civ IV, F.E.A.R and many more

May 31, 2004, 12:58 PM	Thread Starter #21
~~HawK~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,092 Rep Power: 0	Yes but the gigabyte have the bioschip soldered on the mobo, so maybe they try to force you to buy the dual bios version, and if they weren't twice as costly i would be an option

May 31, 2004, 01:05 PM	#22
davidnsibs 9500pro Forever Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Bath, UK Posts: 273 Rep Power: 0	seriously? i just looked on their website, looks like plcc socket with your bios in the top left (above the pci cards). unless you mean its been soldered into this, which would be strange?!? http://www.giga-byte.com/Motherboard...0-l_10_big.jpg __________________ Goodbye 9500pro, you've been a faithful servant through Half life, Deus Ex, Unreal 2, Max Payne 1+2, Nolf 1+2, CoD, Far Cry, Civ IV, F.E.A.R and many more