Upgrading to TFT

Gardinen · Sep 3, 2004, 07:26 PM

The summer gigs have been paying of and I was thinking of using them on some good computer stuff. After all, it was a while since a last bought something for my computer. (An NEC ND-2510a burner about two months ago

)

But this time maybe getting a new screen. Since all computer components are getting in to new standards, I've descided to get a full computer upgrade in about six months or longer.

Any suggestions of what TFT screen I might get?? It should be at least 17"

~~HawK~~ · Sep 3, 2004, 07:41 PM

Well, a TFT or LCD can be very nice, but you do need IMHO at least a 17" and of very good Quality (respons time should be very low)
So think first: do I need the space on my desk,
do I have the cash for a real good one?
CRT's 19" are cheap now, and a good one can do up to 1600x1200 @ 85 hz easly, just a thought to remember when dealing with your cash; a CRT + a nice big HD (or something) will cost less then a good LCD/TFT

tastyweat · Sep 3, 2004, 08:37 PM

The best tft on the market is the LG L1710B... I have one and it is outstanding... any questions about it then ask.

You want to aim to get a tft with a 16ms response time... anything less and the colours begin to get washed out (except for one 12ms samsung) and anything higher and you may start to see some ghosting.

Matth · Sep 4, 2004, 03:32 PM

A TFT is generally equivalent to a CRT of 2" larger.

A 15" TFT is like a 17" monitor, but without the weight and depth (and if it supports pivot, great for viewing A4 sized documentation in portrait mode.

From using a 15" pivot, yes, a 17" would be nice, especially if it also had pivot - without, I'd say a 19" (the price is slipping down to somewhat saner levels than they used to be) - actually, if the 17" is 1280x1024, it has the same vertical resolution as the 15" (1024x768) in portrait mode, though perhaps slightly less usable page size.

Worth considering DVI capability, if you have, or might upgrade, to a DVI capable graphics card.

tastyweat · Sep 4, 2004, 03:54 PM

what do you mean by that?

All 17" tfts have a 1280x1024 resolution....

... then the 19" tfts have the same resolution as the 17" and so the image appears stretched.

dipstick · Sep 4, 2004, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tastyweat

what do you mean by that?

All 17" tfts have a 1280x1024 resolution....

... then the 19" tfts have the same resolution as the 17" and so the image appears stretched.

I think he means that when you get a 19" lcd you are actually getting 19" of viewable area whereas on a 19" ctr you are getting 18" at best

As for what the best LCD is, that would be the 20" 16ms(24bit) panels but they are expensive. Most 17" are 16ms but only do 18bit color, some banding will be noticable.

Vampyromaniac · Sep 4, 2004, 07:23 PM

your 2001FP is a 24b/16ms right, bud?

dipstick · Sep 4, 2004, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vampyromaniac

your 2001FP is a 24b/16ms right, bud?

Yeah, the 2001FP is a true 24bit/16ms lcd(it uses the LG.Philips LM201U04 panel). I think Viewsonic has one out with the same panel now also but it lacks the PiP stuff.
http://www.lgphilips-lcd.com/en/prod...g=view&idx=167

OpusP.Gladiator · Sep 4, 2004, 08:30 PM

Might wanna wait for the 8ms ones coming out in a bit.... lol

Zardon · Sep 4, 2004, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OpusP.Gladiator

Might wanna wait for the 8ms ones coming out in a bit.... lol

already seen 6ms panels on import from japan on ebay.

dipstick · Sep 4, 2004, 08:56 PM

Just be carefull as some places list only one side of the responce rating. For example some list 16ms monitors as 8ms but in reality its 8ms x 2(8ms rise and 8ms fall). It's fishy as I havent see any official info for anything under 12ms.

El Kapitano · Sep 4, 2004, 09:01 PM

Those 20" panels are Â£600 to Â£800! I'd be really pissed if it had dead pixels when it arrived.

Is there anywhere that would check them for you before despatch? Or is it pot luck?

tastyweat · Sep 4, 2004, 09:03 PM

you have got to be careful with the lower responses... I've seen 4ms on import.

The lower response times wash out the colour in the picture and the actual quality of the picture is significantly reduced... that's why the optimum response time at the moment is 16ms... that will change with time - there is one 12ms monitor (only one!) that doesn't wash out the colour - and it is a samsung

dipstick · Sep 4, 2004, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Kapitano

Those 20" panels are Â£600 to Â£800! I'd be really pissed if it had dead pixels when it arrived.

Is there anywhere that would check them for you before despatch? Or is it pot luck?

Well, most places test the monitors before shipping. But I think viewsonic has a zero dead pixel policy and dell is like 3 or 4. I had none dead or stuck on mine but my my bro got hit with one dead one on the bottom left(only noticable with light colors like yellow or neon though and you have to look for it)

Zardon · Sep 6, 2004, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dipstick

I think he means that when you get a 19" lcd you are actually getting 19" of viewable area whereas on a 19" ctr you are getting 18" at best

As for what the best LCD is, that would be the 20" 16ms(24bit) panels but they are expensive. Most 17" are 16ms but only do 18bit color, some banding will be noticable.

Totally correct dipstick, and I saw today in a local store the dell 20 inch TFT you have, the DELL 2001FP 20" -- I have to say its the best monitor ive seen bar none (but damn expensive here). I was so impressed (even with colour reproduction for the first time with no banding or ghosting at all) ive just ordered one on ebay for over Â£200 less than you can get it for here in the UK.

~~HawK~~ · Sep 6, 2004, 02:40 PM

Shees that DELL 2001FP cost 981 euro here in Hollanda.... i'll stick with my CRT for awhile longer.. nice monitor though

Zardon · Sep 6, 2004, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawK

Shees that DELL 2001FP cost 981 euro here in Hollanda.... i'll stick with my CRT for awhile longer.. nice monitor though

Yes its costly. Most of my work and Pc time is spent rendering or in photoshop and until I saw this Dell ive always found colour reproduction and stepping/banding on TFTs to be below the standard I needed. Its hard to adjust for colour for a magazine front page photograph when a TFT misses alot of the colour curve and you end up guessing or being distracted by stepping. This dell is true 24bit and the clarity is top notch, ill just move my illyama 22inch vision master pro 514 into secondary giving a nice 3200x1200 display

I wouldnt have paid the Â£750 most dealers are asking for the monitor here but I was pleased to find a power seller on ebay cutting some fine deals on brand new and boxed 2001fp's for under Â£500.

dipstick · Sep 6, 2004, 06:51 PM

Glad you agree Z. I've been telling this to people for over a year now and they've given my advice the shaft or thought I was an idiot lol(not suprising as not other LCD is a match to this one). I'm sure once you get it on your desk and start to really play with it you'll like it even more. From your photoshop work to extreme gaming you will be droolin

OpusP.Gladiator · Sep 6, 2004, 06:51 PM

[QUOTE=tastyweat]you have got to be careful with the lower responses... I've seen 4ms on import.
The lower response times wash out the colour in the picture and the actual quality of the picture is significantly reduced... that's why the optimum response time at the moment is 16ms... that will change with time - there is one 12ms monitor (only one!) that doesn't wash out the colour - and it is a samsung[/QUOTE

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18269

Sep 3, 2004, 07:26 PM	#1
Gardinen DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Trollhättan, Sweden Posts: 512 Rep Power: 0	Upgrading to TFT The summer gigs have been paying of and I was thinking of using them on some good computer stuff. After all, it was a while since a last bought something for my computer. (An NEC ND-2510a burner about two months ago ) But this time maybe getting a new screen. Since all computer components are getting in to new standards, I've descided to get a full computer upgrade in about six months or longer. Any suggestions of what TFT screen I might get?? It should be at least 17"

Sep 3, 2004, 08:37 PM	#3
tastyweat Lurking Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The void Posts: 4,794 Rep Power: 75 System Specs	The best tft on the market is the LG L1710B... I have one and it is outstanding... any questions about it then ask. You want to aim to get a tft with a 16ms response time... anything less and the colours begin to get washed out (except for one 12ms samsung) and anything higher and you may start to see some ghosting. __________________

Sep 4, 2004, 03:54 PM	#5
tastyweat Lurking Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The void Posts: 4,794 Rep Power: 75 System Specs	what do you mean by that? All 17" tfts have a 1280x1024 resolution.... ... then the 19" tfts have the same resolution as the 17" and so the image appears stretched. __________________

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Sep 4, 2004, 08:30 PM	#9
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Sep 3, 2004, 07:41 PM	#2
~~HawK~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,092 Rep Power: 0	Well, a TFT or LCD can be very nice, but you do need IMHO at least a 17" and of very good Quality (respons time should be very low) So think first: do I need the space on my desk, do I have the cash for a real good one? CRT's 19" are cheap now, and a good one can do up to 1600x1200 @ 85 hz easly, just a thought to remember when dealing with your cash; a CRT + a nice big HD (or something) will cost less then a good LCD/TFT

Sep 4, 2004, 03:32 PM	#4
Matth Flash Banner Hater Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,426 Rep Power: 93 System Specs	A TFT is generally equivalent to a CRT of 2" larger. A 15" TFT is like a 17" monitor, but without the weight and depth (and if it supports pivot, great for viewing A4 sized documentation in portrait mode. From using a 15" pivot, yes, a 17" would be nice, especially if it also had pivot - without, I'd say a 19" (the price is slipping down to somewhat saner levels than they used to be) - actually, if the 17" is 1280x1024, it has the same vertical resolution as the 15" (1024x768) in portrait mode, though perhaps slightly less usable page size. Worth considering DVI capability, if you have, or might upgrade, to a DVI capable graphics card.

Sep 4, 2004, 08:56 PM	#11
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Just be carefull as some places list only one side of the responce rating. For example some list 16ms monitors as 8ms but in reality its 8ms x 2(8ms rise and 8ms fall). It's fishy as I havent see any official info for anything under 12ms.

Sep 4, 2004, 09:01 PM	#12
El Kapitano Most of the 7 dwarfs in 1 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rochdale, Lancashire Posts: 947 Rep Power: 0	Those 20" panels are Â£600 to Â£800! I'd be really pissed if it had dead pixels when it arrived. Is there anywhere that would check them for you before despatch? Or is it pot luck?

Sep 4, 2004, 09:03 PM	#13
tastyweat Lurking Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The void Posts: 4,794 Rep Power: 75 System Specs	you have got to be careful with the lower responses... I've seen 4ms on import. The lower response times wash out the colour in the picture and the actual quality of the picture is significantly reduced... that's why the optimum response time at the moment is 16ms... that will change with time - there is one 12ms monitor (only one!) that doesn't wash out the colour - and it is a samsung __________________

Sep 6, 2004, 02:40 PM	#16
~~HawK~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,092 Rep Power: 0	Shees that DELL 2001FP cost 981 euro here in Hollanda.... i'll stick with my CRT for awhile longer.. nice monitor though

Sep 6, 2004, 06:51 PM	#18
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Glad you agree Z. I've been telling this to people for over a year now and they've given my advice the shaft or thought I was an idiot lol(not suprising as not other LCD is a match to this one). I'm sure once you get it on your desk and start to really play with it you'll like it even more. From your photoshop work to extreme gaming you will be droolin

Sep 6, 2004, 06:51 PM	#19
OpusP.Gladiator '42' Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oregon!!! Posts: 300 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	True... but check this out:) [QUOTE=tastyweat]you have got to be careful with the lower responses... I've seen 4ms on import. The lower response times wash out the colour in the picture and the actual quality of the picture is significantly reduced... that's why the optimum response time at the moment is 16ms... that will change with time - there is one 12ms monitor (only one!) that doesn't wash out the colour - and it is a samsung[/QUOTE http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18269 __________________ http://img52.exs.cx/img52/7799/opus.jpg AMD X2-3800 (Manchester), Oc'd to 2.25 on stock cooler! DFI Lanparty-UT-SLI-D mobo, OCZ Platinum pc3200xtc @ 2.3.2.5.1T, MSI 7800gt @440/1100, Soundblaster X-Fi Fatal1ty, 2 wd 36g raptors, 1 maxtor 250g eide, Coolermaster case with Handle Logitech g15, 20.1" Sceptre LCD, Antec neo2 500w PS"