Is the new 3200+ socket 939 locked?

Gardinen · Oct 5, 2004, 12:37 PM

Because if it isn't, would it be possible to clock it from 2ghz to maybe 2.2 or 2.4??

WisMerHill · Oct 5, 2004, 01:00 PM

except from the FX line all AMD64 CPU's are locked upwards. downwards is possible because cool & quiet needs to be able to reduce the clockspeed.

that said, it's just as easy to clock with a higher fsb resulting in a higher clockspeed , something Intel owners had to do a long time now

Gardinen · Oct 5, 2004, 01:07 PM

hmm FSB clocking is an option though. but I only have DDR400 memories. But maybe they could be run at higher speeds.

I've also heard that the ASUS Socket 939 board is a really good overclocker.

WisMerHill · Oct 5, 2004, 01:53 PM

The asus is ok but you need at least the rev 2 version, in rev 1 the pci/agp lock isn't functioning correctly limiting your attempts.
I can advise you the MSI K8N Neo2, which i own myself, love this board and it has very little quirks. This board also overclocks very well.

as for your mem, thats no problem, you have 2 options:
1) run with fsb(htt) : ram at 1:1 meaning you'll oÃ§lock your ram when going over 200 fsb(htt)
2) run fsb(htt) : ram asynchronous, at 5:4 for instance were 1=50 for instance giving a 250fsb(htt) and 200 memclock keeping your ram in spec.

dipstick · Oct 5, 2004, 03:04 PM

With a nice board you'll be able to make up for the lack of higher multis. Like WisMerHill said, there is no better OCing mobo than the Neo2(I can hit up to 284htt with it). Check out this sweet review of pretty much all 939 mobos
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2128

Gardinen · Oct 5, 2004, 03:14 PM

well I've heard some bad compatible problems with the Neo2 board. So I'm a little afraid of it. Although seems to be a very nice board.

WisMerHill · Oct 5, 2004, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gardinen

well I've heard some bad compatible problems with the Neo2 board. So I'm a little afraid of it. Although seems to be a very nice board.

Tbh i heard some weird problems as well but never encountered any. There are 2 known issues with this board which both can be fixed with a future bios update:

1) sata port 1&2 should not be used when o'clocking, the pci/agp lock doesn't properly extend to it yet, port 3&4 are good to go.
2) temps on this board look messed up, i can boot up with 60 degrees celcius ilde but after playing UT2004 for a 30 mins it drops to 48.... weird. luckilly i have my own temp equipment and it list 31 ontop of the die.

as to compatibillity, i always do extensive research in which components i'm gonna buy so i've never encountered incompatibilly with my hardware. not with this or any other board i had.
the thing is, when you look for it you're always gonna find people who have problems with specific hardware, just look over the MSI or Asus support forums and you'll probably don't want any of them anymore.

krips · Oct 5, 2004, 07:39 PM

So with NF3, it isn't necessary to run your ram in sync as it was with NF2?

Gardinen · Oct 5, 2004, 08:43 PM

Well it would be interesting to try out the K8N neo2 board. maybe getting me a 3200+ socket 939 when it comes out, and clock it too 3500+ or something like that.

Do you think that would be possible?

I'm not quite into the whole HT bus speed and all. How does the FSB raise affect the rest of the system? Is it just the DRAM and CPU bus speed that's raised??

WisMerHill · Oct 5, 2004, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by krips

So with NF3, it isn't necessary to run your ram in sync as it was with NF2?

it wasn't nesscesary with the NF2 as well

it just gave beter performance but with NF3 the gain you can get from running async is greater then the penalty that comes with running async. btw, i do run in sync but it isn't needed.

WisMerHill · Oct 6, 2004, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gardinen

Well it would be interesting to try out the K8N neo2 board. maybe getting me a 3200+ socket 939 when it comes out, and clock it too 3500+ or something like that.

Do you think that would be possible?

I'm not quite into the whole HT bus speed and all. How does the FSB raise affect the rest of the system? Is it just the DRAM and CPU bus speed that's raised??

3200 to 3500 should be doable, ofcoz it depends on the specific cpu but generally yes. mine run at an higher increase then that with no problems. my default 3500+ runs at 200fsb(htt) and 2200Mhz, now it runs 250fsb(htt) and 2500Mhz giving a unknown rating but above an 3800+ anyhow.

As to fsb, that normally regulates all parts of the motherboard, pci/agp slots, ide / sata channels, cpu and ram. thats why cpi/agp locks exist, they lock your pci, agp and sata / ide channels to their default values (33Mhz for pci for instance) So effectively only ram and cpu are clocked, but as the previous poster refered to, you can run your ram on a few predefined settings ( 133-166-400 are the most common) so only the cpu will then be raised.
HTT is new from AMD, this actually replaces the fsb part cause the amd64 cpu now has the memory controller onboard and doesn't use the fsb anymore. it just the name and people can talk hours about but it as to overclocking its just kinda like fsb. it does add one new value tho, it has its multiplier to determine how fast the htt links is. this is just like fsb x multiplier = htt speed, the max it normally runs at is 1000mhz for an s939 cpu with a 5x multiplier at 200HTT (fsb) So when upping your HTT frequency (like mine to 250) you need to drop the HTT multiplier to 4x to keep it at approx 1000Mhz.

hope that explains it a bit. (i could have made it more confusing by trying to keep it simple)

Gardinen · Oct 6, 2004, 10:58 AM

What happens if you have to high HTT frequency? Will it harm the CPU, just like does with to high CPU frequency?

dipstick · Oct 6, 2004, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gardinen

What happens if you have to high HTT frequency? Will it harm the CPU, just like does with to high CPU frequency?

yeah, you'll have stability issues. With 939 boards you just use the HTT multi to keep the board at or under 1000MHz. So a x4 multi will be good all the way up to 250htt

WisMerHill · Oct 6, 2004, 02:37 PM

Jup, what dipstick said, it becomes unstable or won't even post. It can be a bit higher then 1000Mhz but after reaching 255HTT for instance you need to lower the HTT multiplier to 3x to clock over 255HTT.

Oct 5, 2004, 12:37 PM	#1
Gardinen DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Trollhättan, Sweden Posts: 512 Rep Power: 0	Is the new 3200+ socket 939 locked? Because if it isn't, would it be possible to clock it from 2ghz to maybe 2.2 or 2.4??

Oct 5, 2004, 01:00 PM	#2
WisMerHill DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 468 Rep Power: 0	except from the FX line all AMD64 CPU's are locked upwards. downwards is possible because cool & quiet needs to be able to reduce the clockspeed. that said, it's just as easy to clock with a higher fsb resulting in a higher clockspeed , something Intel owners had to do a long time now __________________ [color=sandybrown][color=white] [/color] [color=white][color=white]M[/color][color=white]y Computer[/color]: [/color][color=white]3DMark2001[/color][color=white] - [/color][color=white]3Dmark2003[/color][color=white] - [/color][color=white]3DMark200[/color][color=white]5[/color][color=white] - [/color][color=white]PCMark2004[/color][/color]

Oct 5, 2004, 01:53 PM	#4
WisMerHill DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 468 Rep Power: 0	The asus is ok but you need at least the rev 2 version, in rev 1 the pci/agp lock isn't functioning correctly limiting your attempts. I can advise you the MSI K8N Neo2, which i own myself, love this board and it has very little quirks. This board also overclocks very well. as for your mem, thats no problem, you have 2 options: 1) run with fsb(htt) : ram at 1:1 meaning you'll oÃ§lock your ram when going over 200 fsb(htt) 2) run fsb(htt) : ram asynchronous, at 5:4 for instance were 1=50 for instance giving a 250fsb(htt) and 200 memclock keeping your ram in spec. __________________ [color=sandybrown][color=white] [/color] [color=white][color=white]M[/color][color=white]y Computer[/color]: [/color][color=white]3DMark2001[/color][color=white] - [/color][color=white]3Dmark2003[/color][color=white] - [/color][color=white]3DMark200[/color][color=white]5[/color][color=white] - [/color][color=white]PCMark2004[/color][/color]

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Oct 6, 2004, 02:37 PM	#14
WisMerHill DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 468 Rep Power: 0	Jup, what dipstick said, it becomes unstable or won't even post. It can be a bit higher then 1000Mhz but after reaching 255HTT for instance you need to lower the HTT multiplier to 3x to clock over 255HTT. __________________ [color=sandybrown][color=white] [/color] [color=white][color=white]M[/color][color=white]y Computer[/color]: [/color][color=white]3DMark2001[/color][color=white] - [/color][color=white]3Dmark2003[/color][color=white] - [/color][color=white]3DMark200[/color][color=white]5[/color][color=white] - [/color][color=white]PCMark2004[/color][/color]

Oct 5, 2004, 01:07 PM	Thread Starter #3
Gardinen DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Trollhättan, Sweden Posts: 512 Rep Power: 0	hmm FSB clocking is an option though. but I only have DDR400 memories. But maybe they could be run at higher speeds. I've also heard that the ASUS Socket 939 board is a really good overclocker.

Oct 5, 2004, 03:04 PM	#5
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	With a nice board you'll be able to make up for the lack of higher multis. Like WisMerHill said, there is no better OCing mobo than the Neo2(I can hit up to 284htt with it). Check out this sweet review of pretty much all 939 mobos http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2128

Oct 5, 2004, 03:14 PM	Thread Starter #6
Gardinen DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Trollhättan, Sweden Posts: 512 Rep Power: 0	well I've heard some bad compatible problems with the Neo2 board. So I'm a little afraid of it. Although seems to be a very nice board.

Oct 5, 2004, 08:43 PM	Thread Starter #9
Gardinen DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Trollhättan, Sweden Posts: 512 Rep Power: 0	Well it would be interesting to try out the K8N neo2 board. maybe getting me a 3200+ socket 939 when it comes out, and clock it too 3500+ or something like that. Do you think that would be possible? I'm not quite into the whole HT bus speed and all. How does the FSB raise affect the rest of the system? Is it just the DRAM and CPU bus speed that's raised??

Oct 6, 2004, 10:58 AM	Thread Starter #12
Gardinen DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Trollhättan, Sweden Posts: 512 Rep Power: 0	What happens if you have to high HTT frequency? Will it harm the CPU, just like does with to high CPU frequency?