Would you.....

PoopyTheJ · Nov 9, 2004, 07:07 PM

Ok this is my situation and I'm wondering what each of you would do, I am currently running a P4 2.8 overclocked to 3.2 on stock air cooling with a Gig of Ram on a P4P800 Delux Motherboard. I'm wondering if it would be a worthwhile switch to go to an Athlon 64 3000+ probably on an Nforce3 Mobo with the same PC4000 Ram I've got and overclock it ass much as I can with a nice copper cooler. Would you guys do that? I like the Idea of 64 bit, but mostly I'm going to be playing Games, UT2K4 and other games built on the unreal engine mostly, although playing a bit of FarCry right now also, I do some Photoshopping and using Pagemaker and illustrator but very rarely, and some limited video encoding once in a while, mostly this is my DH surfing game playing rig. My video card is a 6800GT AGP. I have to get a new mother board and processor for a rig I'm building for a friend I've got around 275US to spend on the mobo and processor give or take a few dollars, so I'm wondering what would you guys do? Stick with the P4 or go with the Athlon 64? BTW my buddy doesn't care if he gets an A64 or a P4 (discounted) so it's my decision on this.....

Judas · Nov 10, 2004, 03:17 AM

....personally, i'd go 64 just because of the advantages over your current aging hardware... nothing like new stuff.... do you have HT support?

games... it's been well known that the p4 and 64 bit are pretty head to head ATM.... with the edge sometimes being the 64 bit and others p4.. .depending on how things are handled...

I'm a little on fence on this one though..... But i'm just about to fall over on 64 bit side due to it being 64 bit, 3000+ being highly overclockable (939)

topbob · Nov 10, 2004, 04:17 AM

go socket 939...

CrapolaJola · Nov 10, 2004, 04:25 AM

pick up a 3200+ winchester (have them at ZZF for a mere $180 or $190 i think). MSI K8N Neo, and an XP-90 or Hyper6 then overclock to 2.5ghz+. You'll love it, these new chips have even hit 3ghz on air whcih absolutely rapes a P4.

Nacht · Nov 10, 2004, 04:32 AM

I seriously doubt you'll see any kind of performance increase...It will just be something for you to tinker with for a couple of hours

frx218 · Nov 10, 2004, 05:11 AM

If I were you I would just wait a year or so then upgrade to the a64 939 mabey get a nforce4 SLI later down the line. You are not going to see anything major if you switch now and your rig looks like it runs todays games just fine.

(Well if you got that going on with your freind i would give him the p4

and go with a64)

Vampyromaniac · Nov 10, 2004, 06:37 PM

The new 90nm Winchester s939 Athlon 64's can overclock quite a bit, and OC'd like that it would definitely be faster than a P4 3200 in games. This is your gaming rig, and a high-clocked A64 paireed with a 6800GT would be kick-ass for gaming.

Any way, you can build it, and run them side by side for comparison, right?

PoopyTheJ · Nov 10, 2004, 08:39 PM

Hmmm, true Vampy, I'm gonna see what I can get with this new RAM for an overclock, if I can find a 3200+ for around $180 I will change, cause it'll be cool to have 64 bit support and more learning experience.... BTW judas this does have HT...

Judas · Nov 11, 2004, 04:24 AM

uh, didn't know for sure....

In any case, if you were to run stock... you'd probably see a decrease... but knowing you and what your piling into the rig.... it'll oc very nicely AND produce a very good wallop...

CDsDontBurn · Nov 11, 2004, 04:40 AM

i'd go Athlon 64. many more games play better on Athlon 64 rigs than p4 systems, although there are a few games out there like MOH:PA, and EverQuest II designed to work best on p4 systems that support HT. the only downfall to going the A64 way is that the times you do your photoshop things and pagemaking, it will probably run best on the p4 set up.

PoopyTheJ · Nov 13, 2004, 09:40 PM

Checking benchies for Games it apears as though the 3500+ blows away the P4 3.6 in just about any game out there, so if I were to get a 3000+ or a 3200+ and just get it up to 3500+ speeds I'd be quite happy as the highest I can get my current P4 is 3.36, which isn't bad for a 2.8

Nov 9, 2004, 07:07 PM	#1
PoopyTheJ DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,588 Rep Power: 66	Would you..... Ok this is my situation and I'm wondering what each of you would do, I am currently running a P4 2.8 overclocked to 3.2 on stock air cooling with a Gig of Ram on a P4P800 Delux Motherboard. I'm wondering if it would be a worthwhile switch to go to an Athlon 64 3000+ probably on an Nforce3 Mobo with the same PC4000 Ram I've got and overclock it ass much as I can with a nice copper cooler. Would you guys do that? I like the Idea of 64 bit, but mostly I'm going to be playing Games, UT2K4 and other games built on the unreal engine mostly, although playing a bit of FarCry right now also, I do some Photoshopping and using Pagemaker and illustrator but very rarely, and some limited video encoding once in a while, mostly this is my DH surfing game playing rig. My video card is a 6800GT AGP. I have to get a new mother board and processor for a rig I'm building for a friend I've got around 275US to spend on the mobo and processor give or take a few dollars, so I'm wondering what would you guys do? Stick with the P4 or go with the Athlon 64? BTW my buddy doesn't care if he gets an A64 or a P4 (discounted) so it's my decision on this..... __________________ [COLOR=Blue]“Alright boys, let’s start her up and see why she doesn’t work.” - John Fritz "I aim to misbehave" Malcolm Reynolds ATI Catalyst Beta Tester[/COLOR]

Nov 10, 2004, 04:17 AM	#3
topbob HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: SFBA, CA, USA Posts: 463 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	go socket 939... __________________ 12090 in 3DMarks06 on current system, 5001 on old system, 4164 on older, 1587 on oldest

Nov 10, 2004, 04:25 AM	#4
CrapolaJola The Great DaK Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 317 Rep Power: 0	pick up a 3200+ winchester (have them at ZZF for a mere $180 or $190 i think). MSI K8N Neo, and an XP-90 or Hyper6 then overclock to 2.5ghz+. You'll love it, these new chips have even hit 3ghz on air whcih absolutely rapes a P4. __________________ P2 X4 @ 3.6ghz, 4gb ddr3, SSD, 5870 @ 950/1250 + a 3ghz i5 lappy

Nov 10, 2004, 06:37 PM	#7
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	The new 90nm Winchester s939 Athlon 64's can overclock quite a bit, and OC'd like that it would definitely be faster than a P4 3200 in games. This is your gaming rig, and a high-clocked A64 paireed with a 6800GT would be kick-ass for gaming. Any way, you can build it, and run them side by side for comparison, right? __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250 Last edited by Vampyromaniac; Nov 10, 2004 at 08:52 PM. Reason: spelling

Nov 10, 2004, 08:39 PM	Thread Starter #8
PoopyTheJ DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,588 Rep Power: 66	Hmmm, true Vampy, I'm gonna see what I can get with this new RAM for an overclock, if I can find a 3200+ for around $180 I will change, cause it'll be cool to have 64 bit support and more learning experience.... BTW judas this does have HT... __________________ [COLOR=Blue]“Alright boys, let’s start her up and see why she doesn’t work.” - John Fritz "I aim to misbehave" Malcolm Reynolds ATI Catalyst Beta Tester[/COLOR]

Nov 10, 2004, 04:32 AM	#5
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	I seriously doubt you'll see any kind of performance increase...It will just be something for you to tinker with for a couple of hours

Nov 10, 2004, 05:11 AM	#6
frx218 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 26 Rep Power: 0	If I were you I would just wait a year or so then upgrade to the a64 939 mabey get a nforce4 SLI later down the line. You are not going to see anything major if you switch now and your rig looks like it runs todays games just fine. (Well if you got that going on with your freind i would give him the p4 and go with a64)

Nov 11, 2004, 04:40 AM	#10
CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,779 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	i'd go Athlon 64. many more games play better on Athlon 64 rigs than p4 systems, although there are a few games out there like MOH:PA, and EverQuest II designed to work best on p4 systems that support HT. the only downfall to going the A64 way is that the times you do your photoshop things and pagemaking, it will probably run best on the p4 set up. __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Nov 13, 2004, 09:40 PM	Thread Starter #11
PoopyTheJ DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,588 Rep Power: 66	Checking benchies for Games it apears as though the 3500+ blows away the P4 3.6 in just about any game out there, so if I were to get a 3000+ or a 3200+ and just get it up to 3500+ speeds I'd be quite happy as the highest I can get my current P4 is 3.36, which isn't bad for a 2.8 __________________ [COLOR=Blue]“Alright boys, let’s start her up and see why she doesn’t work.” - John Fritz "I aim to misbehave" Malcolm Reynolds ATI Catalyst Beta Tester[/COLOR]