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Old Dec 18, 2004, 08:32 PM   #1
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Pissed Athlon xp 3000+ heat....

I have my cpu idle temp at 52-55 and after hl2 session about high as 62 celsius.
Votages: according to speedfan 4.18 vcore is 1.65 to 1.7 (jumpy )
other voltages stay about the same. Mobo temp is 38-40, psu 42-45,
hd 30-35. I've tried different heatsinks, currently I'm having an full copper sink w/ ~2400rpm cooler and also 2x80mm coolers in the case.
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Old Dec 18, 2004, 10:52 PM   #2
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Thats why I stay away from AMD computers they get too hot. one time I hit 62C on my old amd 2000+ I took back because I try added ram to it and never boot up hehe Thats why I love intel nice and cold
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Old Dec 18, 2004, 11:03 PM   #3
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That idle temp is way too high. What are the temps in room ?

I'm also running an amd 3000 xp. Idle temp at 36c and mobo is 32c.

Using a thermaltake silentboost cpu cooler.

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Room temp about 25'c. I changed vcore to 1.625, temps dropped to 50-54 idle (58 full load) and mb temp to 30-35. Why do they make case/mobo so that psu and cpu slot are so close to each other
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Those results are a fair bit to high. Enless your having obvious problems or can easily tell that the room is getting hot because of the computer... it would say the temp readings are not correct.

only suggestion i could make is that you may need additional exhaust...

On a side note: Intel CPU's vs AMD cpu's have been put through alot of tests, through various sites, and has been concluded that intel idles quite cool... yet when being used, runs the hottest. That excludes what the Prescots produce for results.... They've also found that majority of all intel based motherboards report the temperatures anywere from 10-20*C lower then they actually are.... (they did this testing by drilling to the center of the heatsink and siliconing a thermal sensor closest to the cpu core for the best acurate results)

My 2500+ with a stock retail heatsink at default runs 32*C idle and maxes out at around 39-42*C when being punished...

When i overclock it to 3000+ speeds without adjusting the core voltage... it idles 36-40*C and maxes out at around 45-50*C
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Old Dec 19, 2004, 12:46 AM Threadstarter Thread Starter   #6
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I know that this room gets kinda hot when doors are shut. 32 c at stock heatsink i've never had that low temp what kind of case do u have? imo the psu is too close to cpu, i think that is my heat problem in case of that could this explain low temp rise at full load, while idles that high? I was going to make heatpipe, could it help alot (or some)? At least when i took the side of the case off and pointet straight to it 12" deskcooler(?) cpu idled at low temp, i dont remember how low was it something like 40'c. I don't have any kind of cpu instability errors. Or maybe it's just thermal sensors fault cuz lowering vcore efected mostly to mobo's temp 38->stable 35 and while idle cpu temp changes all the time 52-57 (57 at full load) according to mbm5 cpu temp.

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btw...my 9600xt idles at stock clocks 42'c, is that normal temp?
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try to resit your heatsink maybe. that sounds awefully high imo.
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Old Dec 19, 2004, 01:12 AM Threadstarter Thread Starter   #9
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I changed some thing in mbm5 now cpu temp is 45-46 while idle.
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Old Dec 19, 2004, 01:29 AM Threadstarter Thread Starter   #10
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Can this be right 50 was the highest? I played FarCry about 20min.
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that should be within the specs but a little high for my liking.. however, if your case is setup the way you say it is... it's very likely about right..
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Old Dec 19, 2004, 02:07 AM Threadstarter Thread Starter   #12
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here is the thing between sensor 2 and 3 (Winbond 2,3). When I use burnin test winbond 2 temp goes higher 55-57'c then after few sec. winbond 3 goes 45-47'c witch to believe?
In farcry wb2 goes 60'c while wb3 goes 50'c.
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dude I have mine at 1.8v 2500mhz and it idles at 32c. we're talking a pretty warm room too. Actually I guess not...its about 70-75F degrees in here. Still...thats not a huge jump.
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I guess I disagree with most in that I would not worry about seeing the CPU temp rise to 62C at high load. The system would show instability before any damage would be done, and real damaging temperatures are more towards 90C and beyond. It is also difficult to make reliable comparisons between systems with different factors like motherboard manufacturer and room temperature. The CPU temp probe can show different values in power of 10 degrees or more between different motherboard makes, where for instance Asus has a history of being on the low side compared to some others.

And the so called 'motherboard' or 'system temperature' value is especially fickle in that its probe is not placed on the same exact position on all motherboards and that it never really represents the overall temperature in a case. It can largely be ignored in my opinion. If at times when there is a temperature probe inside the PSU however, there would be something really interesting to cater to. It is unfortunately so that in many systems the PSU will have to take care of most excess heat that builds up in the casing, and a PSU running a little bit warmer automatically becomes a little bit less effective.

Now if you would like to try something that could make the CPU cool off a little faster when not working at full speed and thereby also save a little on the power bill, there is an interesting little software tool for AthlonXP CPU's called S2kCtl that may help putting the CPU in a deeper mode of 'rest' when it is not fully loaded with activity. It doesn't work on all motherboards but has recently been updated to support more boards than before so at least it's worth a look.
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I found that it could be busted thermal sensor cuz the temp just jumps around 49-60'c while idle and when I run some burnout test it actually goes lower 55 to 51, kinda weird?
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Still seems a bit high to me. I have my 2500@3200 speed at 1.7v and it idles at 35-36c and even running prime&folding doesn't go above 42c. I use the thermaltake smart sensor fan & 900slk u. I have the fan pulling air through the heatsink rather than blowing down into it and used Artic Ceramique. I also have 2 intake and 2 exhaust fans not including the 2 fans on my psu. Case temps around 24c. I guess it's not too much of a problem as long as your stable. My cpu craps out if the temps go over 51c.
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I guess I disagree with most in that I would not worry about seeing the CPU temp rise to 62C at high load. The system would show instability before any damage would be done, and real damaging temperatures are more towards 90C and beyond. It is also difficult to make reliable comparisons between systems with different factors like motherboard manufacturer and room temperature. The CPU temp probe can show different values in power of 10 degrees or more between different motherboard makes, where for instance Asus has a history of being on the low side compared to some others.

And the so called 'motherboard' or 'system temperature' value is especially fickle in that its probe is not placed on the same exact position on all motherboards and that it never really represents the overall temperature in a case. It can largely be ignored in my opinion. If at times when there is a temperature probe inside the PSU however, there would be something really interesting to cater to. It is unfortunately so that in many systems the PSU will have to take care of most excess heat that builds up in the casing, and a PSU running a little bit warmer automatically becomes a little bit less effective.

Now if you would like to try something that could make the CPU cool off a little faster when not working at full speed and thereby also save a little on the power bill, there is an interesting little software tool for AthlonXP CPU's called S2kCtl that may help putting the CPU in a deeper mode of 'rest' when it is not fully loaded with activity. It doesn't work on all motherboards but has recently been updated to support more boards than before so at least it's worth a look.
http://www.stargaz0r.nm.ru/
Regeneration made a similar program. Much better in my opinion. Its a great little driver. It lowers your temps overall even when you are using the cpu under high load because it takes alot longer going from 25C-50C than it does from 40C-50C(and you can actually drop your idle temps from 40-25C in some cases. in my case it wasnt so major because of the room temperature...but still it was a nice bonus)
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Idle temp at 45'c with that S2kCtl. I tried that Regeneration one but it didn't work.
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sometimes its funky. He has 2 versions...one you just install and never know if its working or not, and another with a Command prompt GUI that lets you set which level you want. I did the one with no HALT errors. works like a dream.

Anyway if you want to get it working, just ask him whats up and he'll fix it for you. hes pretty dang good.
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