Jerky DVD playback

reno · Oct 30, 2002, 02:28 AM

Okay, ran into my first WinXP problem...

Using PowerDVD XP 4.0, with all the sound decompressors (DD-EX, DTS-ES, SDDS, etc) I run into this problem...which didn't happen with the same program on my Win98se install...

After about 10 minutes of play my video jerks, like a skipping error, but the audio remains constant...this screws up the audio sync until a scene change. This happens on all my DVDs and happens around every 10 minutes. If I rewind or fast forward for an instant it re-syncs. I've turned off norton cleansweep, system restore, motherboard monitor, zonealarm, error reporting...etc, almost nothing is running in the background, yet this happens with EVERY FREAKING DVD I play.

Switching to Audigy hardware 5.1 doesn't help, neither does raising priority...I am completely boggled. Pioneer said it was a DMA conflict, but it has it's own DMA channel! ARGH!

Any ideas? Any help? Please? Oh hardware gurus...

Necrosis · Oct 30, 2002, 02:38 AM

How are your drives setup?

Furious · Oct 30, 2002, 03:17 AM

I've seen two things cause this. One was that DMA was not enabled on the DVD drive. The other was caused by an Audigy sound card.

Check that DMA is enabled on the IDE controllers in WinXP. If that isn't it I'd pull the Audigy and see if that's causing it.

reno · Oct 30, 2002, 03:21 AM

Ricoh burner=secondary ide master
Pioneer DVD=secondary ide slave

(ricoh recommends the burner is master and set to PIO4 mode for maximum efficiency)

PioneerDVD using UDMA 4 (ATA66)
Ricog using PIO 4

No conflicts having anything to do with DMA or IRQ settings.

Pulling audigy doesn't help, just can't hear the sound anymore, still get the 10 minute jerk...which sounds disgusting. hehe

This really irks me.

And just to reiterate, this setup worked flawlessly in Win98se...

reno · Oct 30, 2002, 03:31 AM

One other thing, yesterday I got a

STOP 0x00000024 error running XMplayer...after leaving the system sit for around 10-20 minutes with just that running...turning speed disk off fixed that...but dunno if that weighs into this equation or not.

JavaFox · Oct 30, 2002, 03:42 AM

Perhaps, reno, you are experiencing the mysterious "stuttering P4" problem?

--

"Here, I'm noticing that when I'm watching a video, the video stutters. Long enough to be noticeable, often enough to be noticeable. Not something I noticed with the same files on the Athlon system. Same video card, same hard drive, did defragmentation just to make sure.

Not just a matter of speed, either. I see the same thing whether I'm running at 2.67 or 2.13GHz.

I know, thermal throttling is the standard explanation, but this is happening on a water-cooled system that doesn't get above 43C or so.

Looking elsewhere, here and there, in the air war, I read about more extreme examples of this. One of the more extreme examples I read was of someone getting a bit less than 4K Sandra CPU when he should have been getting over 5K. That's a huge difference. "

reno · Oct 30, 2002, 04:16 AM

I wish it were as simple as pushing off this error as a P4 bug so I could magically switch to Athlon and see the problem wash away...but games are fine, benchmarks are fine, even mpg and avi movies are fine, it's just stuttering in DVD playback...where, using the same P4 I have now in Win98se with the same mobo, and same drivers, I didn't experience this EVER.

I question the validity of this "mysterious" claim. I have a feeling something is running in WinXP that I need to disable, as Win98se was flawless DVD performance wise.

Again, I REALLY need a solution to this, as it's completely intolerable. PLEASE...please...help...please...must watch blade 2......

Necrosis · Oct 30, 2002, 05:00 AM

Well I'm sort of clueless on this one...and I don't have the video stutter problem either.

1. What are your PIO/DMA settings in your bios?

2. Could it be video card drivers; are you running beta's?

3. Have you installed the latest patch for PowerDVD?

Try this once; roll back your IDE drivers to what XP orginally installed. I've seen some pretty "weird" crap w/ XP/2K with IDE drivers.

4. Go pick yourself up an external ide controller; your computer will thank you plus be a "tad" faster.

5. What else is using UDMA? This really is a shot in the dark; try disabling your parallel port.

reno · Oct 30, 2002, 05:14 AM

Okay, disabled StyleXP and haven't seen any stuttering...possibly that is the problem, also turned of logging for multiple services...

1) PIO4 for CD RW
UDMA4 for Pioneer DVD

2) 40.72 drivers, but I used 40.72s with Win98se also

3) Just installed latest version of Power DVD, so we'll see if it happens again

4) IDE drivers are currently the WinXP originals

5) Will a PCI based controller really help? I have my IRQ's carefully balanced so that NOTHING shares an IRQ, won't it eat up more IRQ's? Would it really be much faster/worth the money?

6) Floppy drive controller Channel 2, DMA access controller Channel 4

Well, turning off StyleXP's background process seemed to have helped...but thanks for helping me out guys, I'll keep you posted on any developments...if you guys care.

Necrosis · Oct 30, 2002, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by reno
Okay, disabled StyleXP and haven't seen any stuttering...possibly that is the problem, also turned of logging for multiple services...

1) PIO4 for CD RW
UDMA4 for Pioneer DVD

2) 40.72 drivers, but I used 40.72s with Win98se also

3) Just installed latest version of Power DVD, so we'll see if it happens again

4) IDE drivers are currently the WinXP originals

5) Will a PCI based controller really help? I have my IRQ's carefully balanced so that NOTHING shares an IRQ, won't it eat up more IRQ's? Would it really be much faster/worth the money?

6) Floppy drive controller Channel 2, DMA access controller Channel 4

Well, turning off StyleXP's background process seemed to have helped...but thanks for helping me out guys, I'll keep you posted on any developments...if you guys care.

Don't forget the UDMA's for the HD's too. Just because the same drivers work great in one OS doesn't mean they'll work wonderful in another. I'm using the latest ATI beta's and I can't even get their included DVD software to work. PowerDVD & WinDVD works just fine though; can't turn on hardware acceleration either. DVD's play smooth; CPU percentage isn't that high either.
I cannot imagine running a system without a seperate IDE controll unless it has a raid controller built in. The notion it will improve your system isn't totally proven. However, I can move huge files across my drives with barely any CPU usage. If you are going to upgrade your board soon I wouldn't bother; if not I would still suggest you pick one up. IDE controllers are pretty cheap now anyway. I am running StyleXP has well and do not have the stuttering like you.

Weird man...

reno · Oct 30, 2002, 03:25 PM

Well, it seems Style XP is the problem, I've disabled the service and the program from msconfig and just done the uxtheme.dll patch, so far I've been able to test with around 30 minutes of the phantom menace and haven't seen stuttering...but I'm wondering why my system doesn't like something that has a memory footprint of 2 megs and 0 CPU usage...hmm

I'll upgrade my mobo someday, but until then I can stick with what I got (relatively no CPU usage for large file transfers also, I run speeddisk while surfing the net...which is probably not good for something, but who cares! hehe)

JavaFox · Oct 30, 2002, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by reno
I wish it were as simple as pushing off this error as a P4 bug so I could magically switch to Athlon and see the problem wash away...but games are fine, benchmarks are fine, even mpg and avi movies are fine, it's just stuttering in DVD playback...where, using the same P4 I have now in Win98se with the same mobo, and same drivers, I didn't experience this EVER.

I question the validity of this "mysterious" claim.

I was only making a suggestion based on a documented problem that I've read about. I'm glad to hear that you've fixed your problem, but is it really insane to even consider that CPUs can cause problems? Why is it we cannot even entertain this idea?

At any rate, if that article had been posted on AMDZone.com, I wouldn't consider it for a second, but it was written by Ed Stroglio of Overclockers.com fame

Ryoko · Oct 30, 2002, 06:29 PM

perhaps stylexp was running a non-activity task while you were watching your dvds. it probably doesn't see powerdvd as being an always active program.

Necrosis · Oct 30, 2002, 07:06 PM

Hold it.

You can exempt programs from StyleXP, right?

FuNsTeR · Oct 30, 2002, 07:34 PM

i use style xp and power Dvd 4 and i have never encountered your problems reno i have xp 1600 , sound Blaster live, msi geoforce 4 mx 440, abit mobo, 60 gig diamond maxtor 7200 , liteon 40x12x48 burner secondary slave and lg 16 x Dvd rom set as master

i dual boot with 98se do not encounter any probs and my OS are backed up with Drive Image 4 pro thanks to a spare license from my mates werk

reno · Oct 31, 2002, 01:10 AM

Well, I take it back, watched blade 2 today and after about 45 minutes did the jerk thing...FRICKING SONOFABITCH!

ARGHGHAHGHGA! Man, this is the ONLY program that does this to me, and every time it jerks it's accessing the disk...so SOMETHING must not be working nice...I may just ghost my C: drive and reformat/reinstall windows...I dunno...this is REALLY pissing me off.

I know my DVD-ROM is okay, because it doesn't spin any differently with the jerking, yet I think it MIGHT have something to do with either my Audigy or my 40.72 drivers for my vid card...first I'll try uninstalling those dets and reinstalling the 29.42s, which never had ANY problems.

I hate it when computers do shit like this...I've disabled all sorts of services, programs and the like, I've raised and lowered priorities, and I CAN'T DO SOMETHING AS FRICKING SIMPLE AS WATCH A DVD. Windows media player works fine for that, but it's only 2 channel sound...and fricking a, I paid for the fricking "all sound" patches for PDVDXP 4 and all I get from tech support is "enable DMA." ARHAGHGHA!

reno · Oct 31, 2002, 01:11 AM

Crap, maybe it has something to do with themes? I wonder if there are any weird processes that windows does for that...hmm.

Ryoko · Oct 31, 2002, 01:12 AM

well, is the computer trying to run a non-active defrag? ms office xp does that from time to time. oh, and please keep the cussing to a minimum outside the flame warzone. thx

reno · Oct 31, 2002, 02:40 AM

Ooops, I always thought there was a filter to get rid of that? Sorry, anyway,

No Office XP installed...I have speeddisk, but disabled the service...could it be still starting itself? When I get home I'm going to ghost my drive, then roll back my audigy drivers...also my vid drivers, and I'm going to restore default system settings...I have a feeling something I did screwed this up...although reading some posts in the microsoft community newsgroup has shown multiple users experiencing what I have...only DVD playback is affected while games, music, and such work flawlessly....yet no one answers them! crap!

Oct 30, 2002, 02:28 AM	#1
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	Jerky DVD playback Okay, ran into my first WinXP problem... Using PowerDVD XP 4.0, with all the sound decompressors (DD-EX, DTS-ES, SDDS, etc) I run into this problem...which didn't happen with the same program on my Win98se install... After about 10 minutes of play my video jerks, like a skipping error, but the audio remains constant...this screws up the audio sync until a scene change. This happens on all my DVDs and happens around every 10 minutes. If I rewind or fast forward for an instant it re-syncs. I've turned off norton cleansweep, system restore, motherboard monitor, zonealarm, error reporting...etc, almost nothing is running in the background, yet this happens with EVERY FREAKING DVD I play. Switching to Audigy hardware 5.1 doesn't help, neither does raising priority...I am completely boggled. Pioneer said it was a DMA conflict, but it has it's own DMA channel! ARGH! Any ideas? Any help? Please? Oh hardware gurus...

Oct 30, 2002, 03:17 AM	#3
Furious I'm blind not deaf!! Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 260 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I've seen two things cause this. One was that DMA was not enabled on the DVD drive. The other was caused by an Audigy sound card. Check that DMA is enabled on the IDE controllers in WinXP. If that isn't it I'd pull the Audigy and see if that's causing it. __________________

Oct 30, 2002, 03:21 AM	Thread Starter #4
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	sadf Ricoh burner=secondary ide master Pioneer DVD=secondary ide slave (ricoh recommends the burner is master and set to PIO4 mode for maximum efficiency) PioneerDVD using UDMA 4 (ATA66) Ricog using PIO 4 No conflicts having anything to do with DMA or IRQ settings. Pulling audigy doesn't help, just can't hear the sound anymore, still get the 10 minute jerk...which sounds disgusting. hehe This really irks me. And just to reiterate, this setup worked flawlessly in Win98se...

Oct 30, 2002, 03:31 AM	Thread Starter #5
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	gsdfhs One other thing, yesterday I got a STOP 0x00000024 error running XMplayer...after leaving the system sit for around 10-20 minutes with just that running...turning speed disk off fixed that...but dunno if that weighs into this equation or not.

Oct 30, 2002, 04:16 AM	Thread Starter #7
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	fdsg I wish it were as simple as pushing off this error as a P4 bug so I could magically switch to Athlon and see the problem wash away...but games are fine, benchmarks are fine, even mpg and avi movies are fine, it's just stuttering in DVD playback...where, using the same P4 I have now in Win98se with the same mobo, and same drivers, I didn't experience this EVER. I question the validity of this "mysterious" claim. I have a feeling something is running in WinXP that I need to disable, as Win98se was flawless DVD performance wise. Again, I REALLY need a solution to this, as it's completely intolerable. PLEASE...please...help...please...must watch blade 2......

Oct 30, 2002, 02:38 AM	#2
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	How are your drives setup?

Oct 30, 2002, 03:42 AM	#6
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	Perhaps, reno, you are experiencing the mysterious "stuttering P4" problem? -- "Here, I'm noticing that when I'm watching a video, the video stutters. Long enough to be noticeable, often enough to be noticeable. Not something I noticed with the same files on the Athlon system. Same video card, same hard drive, did defragmentation just to make sure. Not just a matter of speed, either. I see the same thing whether I'm running at 2.67 or 2.13GHz. I know, thermal throttling is the standard explanation, but this is happening on a water-cooled system that doesn't get above 43C or so. Looking elsewhere, here and there, in the air war, I read about more extreme examples of this. One of the more extreme examples I read was of someone getting a bit less than 4K Sandra CPU when he should have been getting over 5K. That's a huge difference. "

Oct 30, 2002, 05:00 AM	#8
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Well I'm sort of clueless on this one...and I don't have the video stutter problem either. 1. What are your PIO/DMA settings in your bios? 2. Could it be video card drivers; are you running beta's? 3. Have you installed the latest patch for PowerDVD? Try this once; roll back your IDE drivers to what XP orginally installed. I've seen some pretty "weird" crap w/ XP/2K with IDE drivers. 4. Go pick yourself up an external ide controller; your computer will thank you plus be a "tad" faster. 5. What else is using UDMA? This really is a shot in the dark; try disabling your parallel port.

Oct 30, 2002, 05:14 AM	Thread Starter #9
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	Okay, disabled StyleXP and haven't seen any stuttering...possibly that is the problem, also turned of logging for multiple services... 1) PIO4 for CD RW UDMA4 for Pioneer DVD 2) 40.72 drivers, but I used 40.72s with Win98se also 3) Just installed latest version of Power DVD, so we'll see if it happens again 4) IDE drivers are currently the WinXP originals 5) Will a PCI based controller really help? I have my IRQ's carefully balanced so that NOTHING shares an IRQ, won't it eat up more IRQ's? Would it really be much faster/worth the money? 6) Floppy drive controller Channel 2, DMA access controller Channel 4 Well, turning off StyleXP's background process seemed to have helped...but thanks for helping me out guys, I'll keep you posted on any developments...if you guys care.

Oct 30, 2002, 03:25 PM	Thread Starter #11
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	fdst Well, it seems Style XP is the problem, I've disabled the service and the program from msconfig and just done the uxtheme.dll patch, so far I've been able to test with around 30 minutes of the phantom menace and haven't seen stuttering...but I'm wondering why my system doesn't like something that has a memory footprint of 2 megs and 0 CPU usage...hmm I'll upgrade my mobo someday, but until then I can stick with what I got (relatively no CPU usage for large file transfers also, I run speeddisk while surfing the net...which is probably not good for something, but who cares! hehe)

Oct 30, 2002, 06:29 PM	#13
Ryoko American Soldier Join Date: May 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA Posts: 1,725 Rep Power: 0	perhaps stylexp was running a non-activity task while you were watching your dvds. it probably doesn't see powerdvd as being an always active program.

Oct 30, 2002, 07:06 PM	#14
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Hold it. You can exempt programs from StyleXP, right?

Oct 30, 2002, 07:34 PM	#15
FuNsTeR Caledonian and Proud Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Darkest Ayrshire Posts: 1,305 Rep Power: 88 System Specs	i use style xp and power Dvd 4 and i have never encountered your problems reno i have xp 1600 , sound Blaster live, msi geoforce 4 mx 440, abit mobo, 60 gig diamond maxtor 7200 , liteon 40x12x48 burner secondary slave and lg 16 x Dvd rom set as master i dual boot with 98se do not encounter any probs and my OS are backed up with Drive Image 4 pro thanks to a spare license from my mates werk __________________ "They say when you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear satanic messages ..... but that's nothing, if you play it forward it will install Windows"

Oct 31, 2002, 01:10 AM	Thread Starter #16
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	ewy Well, I take it back, watched blade 2 today and after about 45 minutes did the jerk thing...FRICKING SONOFABITCH! ARGHGHAHGHGA! Man, this is the ONLY program that does this to me, and every time it jerks it's accessing the disk...so SOMETHING must not be working nice...I may just ghost my C: drive and reformat/reinstall windows...I dunno...this is REALLY pissing me off. I know my DVD-ROM is okay, because it doesn't spin any differently with the jerking, yet I think it MIGHT have something to do with either my Audigy or my 40.72 drivers for my vid card...first I'll try uninstalling those dets and reinstalling the 29.42s, which never had ANY problems. I hate it when computers do shit like this...I've disabled all sorts of services, programs and the like, I've raised and lowered priorities, and I CAN'T DO SOMETHING AS FRICKING SIMPLE AS WATCH A DVD. Windows media player works fine for that, but it's only 2 channel sound...and fricking a, I paid for the fricking "all sound" patches for PDVDXP 4 and all I get from tech support is "enable DMA." ARHAGHGHA!

Oct 31, 2002, 01:11 AM	Thread Starter #17
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	uyt Crap, maybe it has something to do with themes? I wonder if there are any weird processes that windows does for that...hmm.

Oct 31, 2002, 01:12 AM	#18
Ryoko American Soldier Join Date: May 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA Posts: 1,725 Rep Power: 0	well, is the computer trying to run a non-active defrag? ms office xp does that from time to time. oh, and please keep the cussing to a minimum outside the flame warzone. thx

Oct 31, 2002, 02:40 AM	Thread Starter #19
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	df Ooops, I always thought there was a filter to get rid of that? Sorry, anyway, No Office XP installed...I have speeddisk, but disabled the service...could it be still starting itself? When I get home I'm going to ghost my drive, then roll back my audigy drivers...also my vid drivers, and I'm going to restore default system settings...I have a feeling something I did screwed this up...although reading some posts in the microsoft community newsgroup has shown multiple users experiencing what I have...only DVD playback is affected while games, music, and such work flawlessly....yet no one answers them! crap!