Need help with new rig

Drakon · Jan 21, 2005, 04:04 AM

Ok guys, i finally got my new rig built and running...

but i seem to run into 2 minor problems so far. one is i can't access my 2nd 160gb hd for some reason. it doesn't show up in My Computer or Windows Explorer. In the bios it shows up, but not in windows for some reason. I checked the Properties of the one hd recognized by windows and in the "Hardware" tab, it lists both drives. One is located 0(Secondary ATA Channel) and the other is located at 0(Primary ATA Channel). any ideas why this happens? the 2nd problem is about my memory (1GB Crucial Ballistix pc3200), so please bear with me if i mix up terms and such, cuz i'm not very knowledgeable in the field of memory. from what i read the timings for the memory is 2-2-2-6 as according to Crucial's website, but at the POST, it doesn't seem to be saying that. It says: Tcl: 2 Trcd: 2 Tras: 8 Trp: 2 (1T Timing). Is it safe to assume those values aren't the stated timings on crucial's website? so how do i set the memory to timings of 2-2-2-6?

Specs:
MSI Neo2 Platinum BIOS ver 1.4
A64 3500+ 90nm
1GB Crucial Ballistix
2x 160GB Segate SATA hd's
HIS 9800 Pro
SB Audigy2 ZS

Ev!L-aLphA · Jan 21, 2005, 05:17 AM

make sure ur second hard drive is set as "slave" on the jumper (little tab covering 2 pins on the back of the hard drive)

Drakon · Jan 21, 2005, 05:29 AM

there's a jumper on a SATA drive?

Vampyromaniac · Jan 21, 2005, 05:59 AM

Re: the HDD's . . . Run diskmgmt.msc
Do both HDD's show up there? It may be a case of one drive simply not having a letter assigned to it. In that case, you can right-click that drive, choose Change Drive Letter, and set it there.

Re: the RAM . . . the only value different is the Tras. You should be able to set that to 6 in the BIOS. But, I have read that the magic number for A64's is 10 . . . that's what I set my Tras to (as seen in my new sig, hehe)

Drakon · Jan 21, 2005, 06:28 AM

well thanks for the info, vampy. in the disk management, it lists both drives, BUT one drive is listed as "Unallocated." When i right click on that drive, the menu has: New Partition, Properties,Help. The other drive is listed as Healthy (System) and it has the option to change the drive letter. so what do i do now?

Edit: I just checked my ram settings and the values for Tcl, Trcd, Tras, Trp are set to Auto. so should i only change Tras to 10 and leave the others at Auto, or should i change them to their respective value of 2? Btw, would i have to increase my memory voltage?

Vampyromaniac · Jan 21, 2005, 07:06 AM

Ah, Unallocated

Yeah, you have to create a partition on that, and format it. Then set a letter, if it doesn't do it itself. (Rclick, New Partition... go on from there)

For the RAM timings, you can set all 4 values yourself, just to be sure. As for voltage, see if things run all-right at what it's at. But if you get crashes, etc., or are going to overclock (oc'ed ram needs more volts to stay stable). . . do raise the voltage to take care of that. I think mine's at 2.7v. Different RAM though, so yours may need less or more volts.

PS: make sure you find your base RAM voltage before you start overclocking anything. Run benchmarks, etc., whatever will stress your system. If there's any instability, raise your RAM voltage until it's all stable.

Drakon · Jan 21, 2005, 04:24 PM

well thanks for the help, vampy. one question though, why doesn't windows allow u access to all the space on a hd? mine are 160gb, but windows reads them as 149.05gb...

Also this confuses me from my mobo manual:

Quote:

1T/2T Memory Timing
This setting controls the SDRAM command rate. Selecting [Auto] allows SDRAM signal controller to run at 1T(T=clock cycles) rate. Selecting [1T] makes SDRAM signal controller run at 2T rate. 1T is faster than 2T. Setting options: [1T], [2T], [Auto].

So what's the purpose of the [2T] option and what should i set it to, [1T] or [Auto]?

Vampyromaniac · Jan 22, 2005, 07:47 AM

The usable space of a hard drive is always different from its advertised size. Part of it is due to overhead from formatting, but most is due to HDD makers advertising in gigabytes (1,000,000,000 bytes), but Windows and the rest of us usually think in terms of gibibytes (1,073,741,824 bytes) (gibibytes is a newer term, invented to differentiate between the decimal and binary versions)

That mobo manual is pretty screwey. I'd rely on software to check what it's actually running at. 1T is the faster setting, but sometimes the RAM or memory controller just can't handle it (for instance, with 4 DIMMS.) Try setting it to both 1T and 2T (I don't know why the manual says setting 1T will result in 2T), and check with software to see what it really is, and remember you're aiming for 1T.

Drakon · Jan 22, 2005, 08:07 AM

well thanks for all ur help, vampy. did a few benchies.

3d mark 01 - 21399
3d mark 03 - 6284
3d mark 05 - 2561

Necrosis · Jan 22, 2005, 08:21 AM

Don't forget to set your ram voltage to 2.8v. Also slots 1 & 2 work the best.

Drakon · Jan 22, 2005, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Necrosis

Don't forget to set your ram voltage to 2.8v. Also slots 1 & 2 work the best.

hmmm, well i got my ram voltage at 2.7v. i got the memory in slots 3 & 4. why should i change it 2.8v and why does slots 1 & 2 work best?

Necrosis · Jan 22, 2005, 08:34 AM

The ram is rated for 2.8v though people have said they had the same timings @ 2.5V. Slots 1 & 2 are supposed to better for OC'ing. Yet if it works for you leave 'em right where they are. However, if you're not planning on OC'ing you don't have anything to worry about. If you are well, we need to sit you down and make list of stuff for you to change. Myself, and about 5 other guys here have the same board.

BTW, what are you CPU temps & what voltage is your core at?

Drakon · Jan 22, 2005, 08:37 AM

well i don't plan on oc'ing as yet. maybe in a few mths... so should i still change the voltage and move the memory to slots 1 & 2?

Necrosis · Jan 22, 2005, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drakon

well i don't plan on oc'ing as yet. maybe in a few mths... so should i still change the voltage and move the memory to slots 1 & 2?

If you know the old saying "If it isn't broke, then don't fix it".

You can turn up the voltage a tenth of a volt if you want. However, if it's running okay I wouldn't worry about. It's better to give it time to burn in at stock before you OC anyway.

Drakon · Jan 22, 2005, 08:44 AM

well the system seems to be running stable so far. but i only built it on wed and i haven't left it running for an extended period of time. but i'll leave it where it is. btw, how will i know if the memory needs more voltage?

btw, i forgot to state my cpu temps: 39 - 41 C (w/ xp-90 hsf) and vcore - 1.36v

Necrosis · Jan 22, 2005, 09:40 AM

What are you using to measure you temps, and voltages?

Just so you know this board undervolts Winchester's a little bit, and the CPU is off...mine is around +7c.

Drakon · Jan 22, 2005, 06:08 PM

well i used the bios readings. don't have anything else to test the volts and temps... btw, ur cpu is only 7C?

also, is there a way to correct the undervolt?

Necrosis · Jan 22, 2005, 06:15 PM

Crap sorry last night I was pretty tired. I should of said -7c from the temp that is actually shown. The best solution so far to read temps/voltages for this board seems to be Speedfan. If you use MBM you have to use the Asus P4P800 settings.

Drakon · Jan 22, 2005, 06:51 PM

Quote:

If you use MBM you have to use the Asus P4P800 settings.

what's MBM? and thanks for the suggestion of using SpeedFan

Necrosis · Jan 22, 2005, 07:31 PM

Mother Board Monitor

Drakon · Jan 22, 2005, 07:53 PM

oh, before speedfan i was using CoreCenter, but i unistalled that...

Necrosis · Jan 22, 2005, 09:46 PM

Good man...CoreCenter is a POS!.

Drakon · Jan 22, 2005, 10:17 PM

well i was just playing UT2K4 and the game crashed and the system rebooted. i then manually set the mem voltage at 2.8v as it was set to Auto before. did i do the right thing by setting it manually to 2.8v or should i have let it at Auto? btw, is changing the timings on memory overclocking it? i'm a newb when it comes to these sort of things...

Necrosis · Jan 22, 2005, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drakon

well i was just playing UT2K4 and the game crashed and the system rebooted. i then manually set the mem voltage at 2.8v as it was set to Auto before. did i do the right thing by setting it manually to 2.8v or should i have let it at Auto? btw, is changing the timings on memory overclocking it? i'm a newb when it comes to memory and oc'ing...

Yes, manually and I know it will flash red but that is fine.

I have mine set 1T 2-2-2-10 2.8V. Oh I also might know what it is.

http://forum.msi.com.tw/thread.php?t...fac5bec71d1910

Make sure that stupid ATI/Nvidia speed up thing is turned off, as well as FW. Its' a pain in the ass to get into these hidden settings so you'll have to try a number of times. Hopefully you'll be better at it than myself.

Drakon · Jan 23, 2005, 12:23 AM

well thanks for the info and all ur help, necrosis...

btw, is there anything else i should know to make sure the system runs smoothly?

Necrosis · Jan 23, 2005, 12:33 AM

It's also said turning off Spread Spectrum helps as well.

Drakon · Jan 23, 2005, 12:40 AM

hmmm, ok. i just got another random reboot while copying some files to my UT2K4 directory. something isn't working correctly...

windows says it's a device driver that caused the crash, but i don't know which one...

Vampyromaniac · Jan 23, 2005, 07:38 AM

You can check the Event Log, to see if there's any mention of it.
Start\\Run\\eventvwr.msc

Drakon · Jan 23, 2005, 09:06 AM

well so far i had anothe random reboot and UT crashed on 2 separate occasions. i checked the event viewer and this is what it said:

Event Type: Error
Event Source: System Error
Event Category: (102)
Event ID: 1003
Date: 1/23/2005
Time: 2:23:23 AM
User: N/A
Computer: DIGITALFORTRESS
Description:
Error code 100000d1, parameter1 f7a27d6d, parameter2 00000002, parameter3 00000000, parameter4 bab15fc1.
For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
Data:
0000: 53 79 73 74 65 6d 20 45 System E
0008: 72 72 6f 72 20 20 45 72 rror Er
0010: 72 6f 72 20 63 6f 64 65 ror code
0018: 20 31 30 30 30 30 30 64 100000d
0020: 31 20 20 50 61 72 61 6d 1 Param
0028: 65 74 65 72 73 20 66 37 eters f7
0030: 61 32 37 64 36 64 2c 20 a27d6d,
0038: 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 32 00000002
0040: 2c 20 30 30 30 30 30 30 , 000000
0048: 30 30 2c 20 62 61 62 31 00, bab1
0050: 35 66 63 31 5fc1

Details
Product: Windows Operating System
ID: 1003
Source: System Error
Version: 5.2
Symbolic Name: ER_KRNLCRASH_LOG
Message: Error code %1, parameter1 %2, parameter2 %3, parameter3 %4, parameter4 %5.

Explanation
A blue screen (Stop error) was reported. The message contains details about the error. A matching event with Event ID 1001 might also appear in the event log. This matching event displays information about the specific error that occurred.

User Action
No user action is required.
______________________________

when i had that random reboot, windows said that a device driver caused it to crash, though it didn't say what device...

i'm guessing a few things might be causing these crashes and reboots: 1. memory slots 3 & 4 are causing instability or 2. windows is acting up because i didnt install the sata drivers that came with my mobo (i don't have a floopy drive installed, plus i forgot i had the disk and didn't know that i need drivers for the hd's).

Necrosis · Jan 23, 2005, 09:09 AM

This is sounding more like a game related issue, than a true hardware issue. I would advise you to loop a GPU benchmarking app to see if it still happens.

Jan 21, 2005, 04:04 AM	#1
Drakon DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Floatin'... Posts: 4,957 Rep Power: 0	Need help with new rig Ok guys, i finally got my new rig built and running... but i seem to run into 2 minor problems so far. one is i can't access my 2nd 160gb hd for some reason. it doesn't show up in My Computer or Windows Explorer. In the bios it shows up, but not in windows for some reason. I checked the Properties of the one hd recognized by windows and in the "Hardware" tab, it lists both drives. One is located 0(Secondary ATA Channel) and the other is located at 0(Primary ATA Channel). any ideas why this happens? the 2nd problem is about my memory (1GB Crucial Ballistix pc3200), so please bear with me if i mix up terms and such, cuz i'm not very knowledgeable in the field of memory. from what i read the timings for the memory is 2-2-2-6 as according to Crucial's website, but at the POST, it doesn't seem to be saying that. It says: Tcl: 2 Trcd: 2 Tras: 8 Trp: 2 (1T Timing). Is it safe to assume those values aren't the stated timings on crucial's website? so how do i set the memory to timings of 2-2-2-6? Specs: MSI Neo2 Platinum BIOS ver 1.4 A64 3500+ 90nm 1GB Crucial Ballistix 2x 160GB Segate SATA hd's HIS 9800 Pro SB Audigy2 ZS

Jan 21, 2005, 05:17 AM	#2
Ev!L-aLphA \| n f e c t e D Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: California Posts: 4,111 Rep Power: 0	make sure ur second hard drive is set as "slave" on the jumper (little tab covering 2 pins on the back of the hard drive) __________________ R.I.P 8/8/04 4/21/08

Jan 21, 2005, 05:59 AM	#4
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	Re: the HDD's . . . Run diskmgmt.msc Do both HDD's show up there? It may be a case of one drive simply not having a letter assigned to it. In that case, you can right-click that drive, choose Change Drive Letter, and set it there. Re: the RAM . . . the only value different is the Tras. You should be able to set that to 6 in the BIOS. But, I have read that the magic number for A64's is 10 . . . that's what I set my Tras to (as seen in my new sig, hehe) __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Jan 21, 2005, 06:28 AM	Thread Starter #5
Drakon DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Floatin'... Posts: 4,957 Rep Power: 0	well thanks for the info, vampy. in the disk management, it lists both drives, BUT one drive is listed as "Unallocated." When i right click on that drive, the menu has: New Partition, Properties,Help. The other drive is listed as Healthy (System) and it has the option to change the drive letter. so what do i do now? Edit: I just checked my ram settings and the values for Tcl, Trcd, Tras, Trp are set to Auto. so should i only change Tras to 10 and leave the others at Auto, or should i change them to their respective value of 2? Btw, would i have to increase my memory voltage? Last edited by Drakon; Jan 21, 2005 at 06:38 AM.

Jan 21, 2005, 07:06 AM	#6
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	Ah, Unallocated Yeah, you have to create a partition on that, and format it. Then set a letter, if it doesn't do it itself. (Rclick, New Partition... go on from there) For the RAM timings, you can set all 4 values yourself, just to be sure. As for voltage, see if things run all-right at what it's at. But if you get crashes, etc., or are going to overclock (oc'ed ram needs more volts to stay stable). . . do raise the voltage to take care of that. I think mine's at 2.7v. Different RAM though, so yours may need less or more volts. PS: make sure you find your base RAM voltage before you start overclocking anything. Run benchmarks, etc., whatever will stress your system. If there's any instability, raise your RAM voltage until it's all stable. __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250 Last edited by Vampyromaniac; Jan 21, 2005 at 07:14 AM.

Jan 21, 2005, 05:29 AM	Thread Starter #3
Drakon DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Floatin'... Posts: 4,957 Rep Power: 0	there's a jumper on a SATA drive?

Jan 22, 2005, 07:47 AM	#8
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	The usable space of a hard drive is always different from its advertised size. Part of it is due to overhead from formatting, but most is due to HDD makers advertising in gigabytes (1,000,000,000 bytes), but Windows and the rest of us usually think in terms of gibibytes (1,073,741,824 bytes) (gibibytes is a newer term, invented to differentiate between the decimal and binary versions) That mobo manual is pretty screwey. I'd rely on software to check what it's actually running at. 1T is the faster setting, but sometimes the RAM or memory controller just can't handle it (for instance, with 4 DIMMS.) Try setting it to both 1T and 2T (I don't know why the manual says setting 1T will result in 2T), and check with software to see what it really is, and remember you're aiming for 1T. __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Jan 22, 2005, 08:07 AM	Thread Starter #9
Drakon DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Floatin'... Posts: 4,957 Rep Power: 0	well thanks for all ur help, vampy. did a few benchies. 3d mark 01 - 21399 3d mark 03 - 6284 3d mark 05 - 2561

Jan 22, 2005, 08:21 AM	#10
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Don't forget to set your ram voltage to 2.8v. Also slots 1 & 2 work the best.

Jan 22, 2005, 08:34 AM	#12
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	The ram is rated for 2.8v though people have said they had the same timings @ 2.5V. Slots 1 & 2 are supposed to better for OC'ing. Yet if it works for you leave 'em right where they are. However, if you're not planning on OC'ing you don't have anything to worry about. If you are well, we need to sit you down and make list of stuff for you to change. Myself, and about 5 other guys here have the same board. BTW, what are you CPU temps & what voltage is your core at?

Jan 22, 2005, 08:37 AM	Thread Starter #13
Drakon DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Floatin'... Posts: 4,957 Rep Power: 0	well i don't plan on oc'ing as yet. maybe in a few mths... so should i still change the voltage and move the memory to slots 1 & 2?

Jan 22, 2005, 08:44 AM	Thread Starter #15
Drakon DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Floatin'... Posts: 4,957 Rep Power: 0	well the system seems to be running stable so far. but i only built it on wed and i haven't left it running for an extended period of time. but i'll leave it where it is. btw, how will i know if the memory needs more voltage? btw, i forgot to state my cpu temps: 39 - 41 C (w/ xp-90 hsf) and vcore - 1.36v Last edited by Drakon; Jan 22, 2005 at 09:06 AM.

Jan 22, 2005, 09:40 AM	#16
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	What are you using to measure you temps, and voltages? Just so you know this board undervolts Winchester's a little bit, and the CPU is off...mine is around +7c.

Jan 22, 2005, 06:08 PM	Thread Starter #17
Drakon DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Floatin'... Posts: 4,957 Rep Power: 0	well i used the bios readings. don't have anything else to test the volts and temps... btw, ur cpu is only 7C? also, is there a way to correct the undervolt? Last edited by Drakon; Jan 22, 2005 at 06:13 PM.

Jan 22, 2005, 06:15 PM	#18
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Crap sorry last night I was pretty tired. I should of said -7c from the temp that is actually shown. The best solution so far to read temps/voltages for this board seems to be Speedfan. If you use MBM you have to use the Asus P4P800 settings.

Jan 22, 2005, 07:31 PM	#20
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Mother Board Monitor

Jan 22, 2005, 07:53 PM	Thread Starter #21
Drakon DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Floatin'... Posts: 4,957 Rep Power: 0	oh, before speedfan i was using CoreCenter, but i unistalled that...

Jan 22, 2005, 09:46 PM	#22
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Good man...CoreCenter is a POS!.

Jan 22, 2005, 10:17 PM	Thread Starter #23
Drakon DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Floatin'... Posts: 4,957 Rep Power: 0	well i was just playing UT2K4 and the game crashed and the system rebooted. i then manually set the mem voltage at 2.8v as it was set to Auto before. did i do the right thing by setting it manually to 2.8v or should i have let it at Auto? btw, is changing the timings on memory overclocking it? i'm a newb when it comes to these sort of things... Last edited by Drakon; Jan 22, 2005 at 10:28 PM.

Jan 23, 2005, 12:23 AM	Thread Starter #25
Drakon DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Floatin'... Posts: 4,957 Rep Power: 0	well thanks for the info and all ur help, necrosis... btw, is there anything else i should know to make sure the system runs smoothly?

Jan 23, 2005, 12:33 AM	#26
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	It's also said turning off Spread Spectrum helps as well.

Jan 23, 2005, 12:40 AM	Thread Starter #27
Drakon DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Floatin'... Posts: 4,957 Rep Power: 0	hmmm, ok. i just got another random reboot while copying some files to my UT2K4 directory. something isn't working correctly... windows says it's a device driver that caused the crash, but i don't know which one...

Jan 23, 2005, 07:38 AM	#28
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	You can check the Event Log, to see if there's any mention of it. Start\\Run\\eventvwr.msc

Jan 23, 2005, 09:06 AM	Thread Starter #29
Drakon DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Floatin'... Posts: 4,957 Rep Power: 0	well so far i had anothe random reboot and UT crashed on 2 separate occasions. i checked the event viewer and this is what it said: Event Type: Error Event Source: System Error Event Category: (102) Event ID: 1003 Date: 1/23/2005 Time: 2:23:23 AM User: N/A Computer: DIGITALFORTRESS Description: Error code 100000d1, parameter1 f7a27d6d, parameter2 00000002, parameter3 00000000, parameter4 bab15fc1. For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp. Data: 0000: 53 79 73 74 65 6d 20 45 System E 0008: 72 72 6f 72 20 20 45 72 rror Er 0010: 72 6f 72 20 63 6f 64 65 ror code 0018: 20 31 30 30 30 30 30 64 100000d 0020: 31 20 20 50 61 72 61 6d 1 Param 0028: 65 74 65 72 73 20 66 37 eters f7 0030: 61 32 37 64 36 64 2c 20 a27d6d, 0038: 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 32 00000002 0040: 2c 20 30 30 30 30 30 30 , 000000 0048: 30 30 2c 20 62 61 62 31 00, bab1 0050: 35 66 63 31 5fc1 Details Product: Windows Operating System ID: 1003 Source: System Error Version: 5.2 Symbolic Name: ER_KRNLCRASH_LOG Message: Error code %1, parameter1 %2, parameter2 %3, parameter3 %4, parameter4 %5. Explanation A blue screen (Stop error) was reported. The message contains details about the error. A matching event with Event ID 1001 might also appear in the event log. This matching event displays information about the specific error that occurred. User Action No user action is required. ______________________________ when i had that random reboot, windows said that a device driver caused it to crash, though it didn't say what device... i'm guessing a few things might be causing these crashes and reboots: 1. memory slots 3 & 4 are causing instability or 2. windows is acting up because i didnt install the sata drivers that came with my mobo (i don't have a floopy drive installed, plus i forgot i had the disk and didn't know that i need drivers for the hd's). Last edited by Drakon; Jan 23, 2005 at 09:13 AM.

Jan 23, 2005, 09:09 AM	#30
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	This is sounding more like a game related issue, than a true hardware issue. I would advise you to loop a GPU benchmarking app to see if it still happens.