2 pos hard drives

~~David~~ · Nov 26, 2002, 08:37 PM

WARNING! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DONT BUY THESE HDD`S!

samsung 40 gig 5400 rpm
Maxtor 40 gig 7200 rpm 133

both have died each only lasted about a month. Wester digital 80 gig JB still going strong. Both are suffereing from the same problem............ Bad berings

Zardon · Nov 26, 2002, 08:40 PM

well I was always a massive IBM HD follower, until recently when my deskstar died.

lets hope I have more luck with the WD JB SEs, up to now they have been amazing.

Ryoko · Nov 26, 2002, 10:52 PM

note that the jb's are the only ide drives with 3 year warranties... the rest are 1 year.

my maxtor 30gb 7200's are still going strong, and my 800jb's are incredible

Nov 27, 2002, 12:18 AM

oh great! thats the new hdd my dad got on saturday (maxtor 40GB 7200 133) man! oh well... maybe yours was just bad...

Nov 27, 2002, 12:33 AM

OH THANK GOD! OH THANK OUR GREAT GOD!!! i had a brain fart and thought it was a 40GB but its 60GB THANK YOU JESUS!

Kelsenellenelvian · Nov 27, 2002, 01:06 AM

I always sttck with western digital.

Malus · Nov 27, 2002, 01:23 AM

My 30 gig Maxtor is still going somewhat strong. It just sucks when it overheats, even with a damn harddrive cooler.

DriveEuro · Nov 27, 2002, 02:15 AM

Hmm, my hard drives run like a charm...Are you sure that it's a bearing problems?

Necrosis · Nov 27, 2002, 02:54 AM

I had a 30 gig Maxtor ATA-100 that ran great for about a year and then it just kept getting slower and slower.

Kelsenellenelvian · Nov 27, 2002, 03:00 AM

I've never had a harddrive overheat what happens??

JavaFox · Nov 27, 2002, 03:05 AM

It gets really hot.

Kelsenellenelvian · Nov 27, 2002, 03:16 AM

No sh1t really omfg you a so great for showing me the light.

DriveEuro · Nov 27, 2002, 03:40 AM

I think that they start writing garbage to the disk and just start FuÂ©king up. Just basically reading and writing errors.

Vampyromaniac · Nov 27, 2002, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ryoko
note that the jb's are the only ide drives with 3 year warranties... the rest are 1 year.

my IBM 120GXP has a 3-year warranty

Digital-Overload · Nov 27, 2002, 09:47 AM

hehe
too late
i have a nice 40 GB maxtor paper wight on my desk since last summer.

again.. like yours..

mine lasted a month then had problems reading. and now if i hook it up barely runs so its either bearings of power connector.

Ryo-Ohki · Nov 27, 2002, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by David

Maxtor 40 gig 7200 rpm 133

Nice...

I got two 60GB ATA-100 7200 rpm from Maxtor over a week ago, I hope they're not at risk as well. But you got me scared for a minute or so.

On a sidenote, I went to Maxtor because of all the bad press IBM drives got, but my 60GXPs have been running like a charm for more than one year now, and they're not exactly sitting there idly.

peroni · Nov 27, 2002, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zardon
well I was always a massive IBM HD follower, until recently when my deskstar died.

Sorry to hear that but I warned you some time ago

Since my IBM's died (grrrr) I bought 3 Maxtor, two D740X 60GB and one Diamondmax9 60GB.
Well the new DM9 failed within a week but Maxtor support seems to be better than IBM and sent me a brand new advance replacement within 1 week.

I strongly suggest to monitor the HD temperature as it seems to be a primary factor for failures.
There's a great tool for IDE drives called Dtemp that will show the temp and SMART attributes.
40Â° C or less is generally accepted as a good value.

Ryo-Ohki · Nov 27, 2002, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by peroni

I strongly suggest to monitor the HD temperature as it seems to be a primary factor for failures.
There's a great tool for IDE drives called Dtemp that will show the temp and SMART attributes.
40Â° C or less is generally accepted as a good value.

Interesting link peroni.

On a related topic, does anyone know if there are other computer case brands than Antec which offer the same possibility to mount a fan on the disk cage ? I did just that for my IBM's and the temperature drop was dramatic. It's barely if I can feel them heat at all now.

DriveEuro · Nov 27, 2002, 08:04 PM

Man, I leave my drives running 24/7 and they are never remotely hot to the touch. Rather now that I think of it, they are NEVER even warm...And there is no breeze or fan that goes past them...and they aren't mounted vertically.

Ryo-Ohki · Nov 27, 2002, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DriveEuro
Man, I leave my drives running 24/7 and they are never remotely hot to the touch. Rather now that I think of it, they are NEVER even warm...And there is no breeze or fan that goes past them...and they aren't mounted vertically.

Wow. What case are you using, and how are the drives disposed into it ?

DriveEuro · Nov 27, 2002, 09:20 PM

Just a shitty generic case....I have 1 drive under my floppy disk drive with enough space for ait to flow...although little does...and the other is just mounted in a 5.25" space with plenty of room between the next device.......I never knew hard drives got hot, well, at leat mine don't, even when I download 24/7 and play games 24/7 and when I encode divx movies...........the drive are never hot or really even all that warm...

C0NAN · Nov 27, 2002, 10:33 PM

My Maxtor 80 gig 7200rpm ata 133 also failed on me recently. It was 3 months old. I sent it back and am waiting for a replacement.

Louie6666 · Nov 27, 2002, 11:23 PM

So far this year I've had failures with 2x Samsung 1x Maxtor 1x IBM the bloody IBM was the only one still waranty..& took a month to get replacement!! My 120GXP is still going strong but case temp never gets above 22oC

RaveRod · Nov 27, 2002, 11:46 PM

I've been running my Maxtor 10GB drive for about 4 or 5 years now atleast and I haven't had a single problem with it!

Although, I must admit, I'm buying my new Western Digital drive soon as I think the good 'ol 10GB is going to die soon. I have another drive but it's used for backup only so I need another drive if this one dies.

DriveEuro · Nov 27, 2002, 11:47 PM

Louie are you overclocking your rig? Overclocked hardrives can run really crappy. I've actually had problems when I overclocked too high (above 150mhz(50mhz pci))that my computer wouldn't boot because it couldn't read my hard drive properly.

Vampyromaniac · Nov 28, 2002, 01:50 AM

Hmmm . . . my HDD temp is the same as my case temp . . . dunno if this is good or bad . . . .

vk2amv · Nov 28, 2002, 05:56 AM

I have an old Seagate ST36530A 6gig 7200rpm and it runs perfect at 56 degrees centigrade (Yes 56 Degrees C) and has been doing so for years without a hitch. You cant even hold your hand on it the drive is so hot but it has never ever failed me in any way. I vote for seagate for this one but my next hard drive is for sure going to be a western digital JB because of the warranty changes. Only will accept a 3 year warranty on hard drives myself.
Regards
AREA_51

Ryo-Ohki · Nov 28, 2002, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DriveEuro
Just a shitty generic case....I have 1 drive under my floppy disk drive with enough space for ait to flow...although little does...and the other is just mounted in a 5.25" space with plenty of room between the next device.......I never knew hard drives got hot, well, at leat mine don't, even when I download 24/7 and play games 24/7 and when I encode divx movies...........the drive are never hot or really even all that warm...

Well, in the case housing my two new Maxtors I have a similar setup as you do and I did a little check-up last evening. The disk below the floppy drive heats a bit, and although I wouldn't say the one in the 5.25" bay is cool -- it's barely tepid.

I am running Maxtors, IBMs and Western Digitals in several comps, all heat at various degrees, and I can't figure out anything but a fan to keep any of my drives *cool*.

One a sidenote, I personnaly had a Maxtor 120GB 5400RPM ATA-133 dying on me recently after only three months of operation...

Got a 7200 RPM replacement w/ a 20â‚¬ refund, I hope it will last a wee bit longer.

Louie6666 · Nov 28, 2002, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DriveEuro
Louie are you overclocking your rig? Overclocked hardrives can run really crappy. I've actually had problems when I overclocked too high (above 150mhz(50mhz pci))that my computer wouldn't boot because it couldn't read my hard drive properly.

My hardrive craps out at 147fsb! not before my geforce 2mx, has done a runner @ 142fsb! most of time I either run at 11x140 = 1540 or 11.5x133=1533 I something is going wrong usally drop back to latter for trouble shooting, not that the clock has actually ever been the problem lol!
Previous failures are from other boxes, many of which were clocked, but as they are old rigs I keep the PCI in spec! lol P133 @ 200mhz lol! good old dell

Last failure was IBM DLT on Asus Mobo with AXIA 1Ghz @ 1.4Ghz couldn't be sure whether clock killed that, so its now at 1.3Ghz again to keep PCI in spec

Ryo-Ohki · Nov 28, 2002, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DriveEuro
Just a shitty generic case....I have 1 drive under my floppy disk drive with enough space for ait to flow...although little does...and the other is just mounted in a 5.25" space with plenty of room between the next device.......I never knew hard drives got hot, well, at leat mine don't, even when I download 24/7 and play games 24/7 and when I encode divx movies...........the drive are never hot or really even all that warm...

Never mind, I found out what to do about the temperature of my HDDs... I leave one pane of the case open. That damn thing is acting like an OVEN when it's completely closed.

I can still feel a wee bit of heating when I touch them, but nothing terrible.

I wish I could use an Antec case for that setup also, but it would definitely blow holes in the budget I had set for this box (and leave me with a spare casing

).

Nov 26, 2002, 08:37 PM	#1
~~David~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 959 Rep Power: 0	2 pos hard drives WARNING! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DONT BUY THESE HDD`S! samsung 40 gig 5400 rpm Maxtor 40 gig 7200 rpm 133 both have died each only lasted about a month. Wester digital 80 gig JB still going strong. Both are suffereing from the same problem............ Bad berings

Nov 27, 2002, 01:06 AM	#6
Kelsenellenelvian Master of my own Destiny Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: EverDawn Kingdom,TruEarth Posts: 1,394 Rep Power: 0	I always sttck with western digital. __________________ [color=#0000ff] Download Windows Post-Install Wizard v4.3.8 and WPI Lite v1.2 Here [/color][color=red][color=blue][/color][/color]

Nov 27, 2002, 01:23 AM	#7
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	My 30 gig Maxtor is still going somewhat strong. It just sucks when it overheats, even with a damn harddrive cooler. __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10

Nov 27, 2002, 02:15 AM	#8
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	Hmm, my hard drives run like a charm...Are you sure that it's a bearing problems? __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Nov 27, 2002, 03:00 AM	#10
Kelsenellenelvian Master of my own Destiny Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: EverDawn Kingdom,TruEarth Posts: 1,394 Rep Power: 0	I've never had a harddrive overheat what happens?? __________________ [color=#0000ff] Download Windows Post-Install Wizard v4.3.8 and WPI Lite v1.2 Here [/color][color=red][color=blue][/color][/color]

Nov 26, 2002, 08:40 PM	#2
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	well I was always a massive IBM HD follower, until recently when my deskstar died. lets hope I have more luck with the WD JB SEs, up to now they have been amazing.

Nov 26, 2002, 10:52 PM	#3
Ryoko American Soldier Join Date: May 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA Posts: 1,725 Rep Power: 0	note that the jb's are the only ide drives with 3 year warranties... the rest are 1 year. my maxtor 30gb 7200's are still going strong, and my 800jb's are incredible

Nov 27, 2002, 12:18 AM	#4
generalstupid Guest Posts: n/a	oh great! thats the new hdd my dad got on saturday (maxtor 40GB 7200 133) man! oh well... maybe yours was just bad...

Nov 27, 2002, 12:33 AM	#5
generalstupid Guest Posts: n/a	OH THANK GOD! OH THANK OUR GREAT GOD!!! i had a brain fart and thought it was a 40GB but its 60GB THANK YOU JESUS!

Nov 27, 2002, 02:54 AM	#9
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	I had a 30 gig Maxtor ATA-100 that ran great for about a year and then it just kept getting slower and slower.

Nov 27, 2002, 03:05 AM	#11
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	It gets really hot.

Nov 27, 2002, 03:16 AM	#12
Kelsenellenelvian Master of my own Destiny Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: EverDawn Kingdom,TruEarth Posts: 1,394 Rep Power: 0	No sh1t really omfg you a so great for showing me the light. __________________ [color=#0000ff] Download Windows Post-Install Wizard v4.3.8 and WPI Lite v1.2 Here [/color][color=red][color=blue][/color][/color]

Nov 27, 2002, 03:40 AM	#13
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	I think that they start writing garbage to the disk and just start FuÂ©king up. Just basically reading and writing errors. __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Nov 27, 2002, 09:47 AM	#15
Digital-Overload DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: US Of A Posts: 50 Rep Power: 0	hehe too late i have a nice 40 GB maxtor paper wight on my desk since last summer. again.. like yours.. mine lasted a month then had problems reading. and now if i hook it up barely runs so its either bearings of power connector. __________________ Windows 2000 Professional SP-4-(Windows 98 Second Edition Dual Boot) A.T.I. All In Wonder Radeon 32 MB DDR (Catalyst 03.6/MMC/DVD 8.5/Power DVD 5.0 Pro Beta/DirectX 9.0a/Via Hyperion 4.45) AThlon 1.1GHz/1024 MB PC133 RAM (100x11 FSB)(Standard Settings) Western Digital 80GB ATA100/Western Digital 100GB ATA100/Western Digital 160GB 8MB Cache ATA-100 Sound Blaster Live 5.1 Platinum (5.12.2.252) ACER 16X DVD;ACER 12x10x32 CD-RW Adobe Premiere 6.5 PICVideo MJPEG 2.01a/HUFFY 2.11 Detailed System Specs

Nov 27, 2002, 08:04 PM	#19
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	Man, I leave my drives running 24/7 and they are never remotely hot to the touch. Rather now that I think of it, they are NEVER even warm...And there is no breeze or fan that goes past them...and they aren't mounted vertically. __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Nov 27, 2002, 10:33 PM	#22
C0NAN DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 52 Rep Power: 0	My Maxtor 80 gig 7200rpm ata 133 also failed on me recently. It was 3 months old. I sent it back and am waiting for a replacement. __________________ Thermaltake Xaser III V1000D Case 7 Cooler Master LED Fans P4 3.0C HT 800mhz @ 3.3 Ghz Asus P4P800 Deluxe 1 Gig Geil Ultra Platinum DDR 500 Memory Timing = 2.5-4-4-7-8 @ 2.65 volts Sapphire 9800 Pro 128mb Maxtor Diamond Max Plus 9 160 Gig Maxtor Diamond Max Plus 9 80 Gig Enermax EG465P-VE Power Supply

Nov 27, 2002, 09:20 PM	#21
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	Just a shitty generic case....I have 1 drive under my floppy disk drive with enough space for ait to flow...although little does...and the other is just mounted in a 5.25" space with plenty of room between the next device.......I never knew hard drives got hot, well, at leat mine don't, even when I download 24/7 and play games 24/7 and when I encode divx movies...........the drive are never hot or really even all that warm... __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Nov 27, 2002, 11:23 PM	#23
Louie6666 Just One Sick-Lizard Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 501 Rep Power: 0	So far this year I've had failures with 2x Samsung 1x Maxtor 1x IBM the bloody IBM was the only one still waranty..& took a month to get replacement!! My 120GXP is still going strong but case temp never gets above 22oC __________________

Nov 27, 2002, 11:46 PM	#24
RaveRod DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 47 Rep Power: 0	I've been running my Maxtor 10GB drive for about 4 or 5 years now atleast and I haven't had a single problem with it! Although, I must admit, I'm buying my new Western Digital drive soon as I think the good 'ol 10GB is going to die soon. I have another drive but it's used for backup only so I need another drive if this one dies.

Nov 27, 2002, 11:47 PM	#25
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	Louie are you overclocking your rig? Overclocked hardrives can run really crappy. I've actually had problems when I overclocked too high (above 150mhz(50mhz pci))that my computer wouldn't boot because it couldn't read my hard drive properly. __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Nov 28, 2002, 01:50 AM	#26
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	Hmmm . . . my HDD temp is the same as my case temp . . . dunno if this is good or bad . . . . __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Nov 28, 2002, 05:56 AM	#27
vk2amv DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 73 Rep Power: 0	Drive Temp I have an old Seagate ST36530A 6gig 7200rpm and it runs perfect at 56 degrees centigrade (Yes 56 Degrees C) and has been doing so for years without a hitch. You cant even hold your hand on it the drive is so hot but it has never ever failed me in any way. I vote for seagate for this one but my next hard drive is for sure going to be a western digital JB because of the warranty changes. Only will accept a 3 year warranty on hard drives myself. Regards AREA_51