Looking to buy an LCD Monitor and need HELP!!!!!!!!!!!

laurarlo

I have come here before for some help and opinions on what to buy. You guys have always been very helpful. I am wanting to buy an LCD, i know the resonse time is a big thing, but i want to know what else i should be looking for in an LCD. Any models any one suggests, Where to buy it, I know online is cheaper always. The reason i am buying it is for Gaming and that is mainly what i am doing with it. Any help and what models i should be looking into will be a great help. Thx in advance..................

nuG

what size are you looking for? you can get some decent 19" for cheap nowadays.

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laurarlo

19 Inch is what i want to go with.... Thx...........

Lelisevis

Hyundai imagequest L90D+, my gaming monitor of choice.

ut2k4wikichici

iam looking for some Cheep LCD 19inch monitors with over 8ms Response time

(willing to travel within NSW Australia to buy a new monitor from a shop)

Tipstaff

viewMy top choices:

Viewsonic VP191b (new one is 191b-2 as it's an 8ms panel). It's the bigger brother to my 171b-2, and since this one rocks, that'd be my top choice in the 19" range. The things come with 2 vga, and 1 dvi connector, plus both sets of cables in the box (at least the North Am release of it). They sell for close to the listed price on the site in Canada.

Viewsonic VX924 (4ms panel). This is the newest series from them, and it geared towards gamers. It has a higher brightness rating than the VP series, and a bit cheaper. Otherwise the same specs.

Personally I'd choose the VP191b for 2 reasons: 1) The base on the VP series is a wide boomerang shape, and makes the monitor more stable. It's almost impossible to move it without serious force. 2) The VP191b has an 800:1 contrast ratio compared to the VX924s 500:1.

Good hunting!

-Tip

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ut2k4wikichici

Does anyone know the website for Polyview because i need the specs on their Model A190E2 19inch monitor ! thankyou

Asmoday

I only have experience with one lcd and it is the Xerox XA7-19i, it is super nice, it has 8ms responce time 1000:1 contrast and 300nits. But if you have alot of cash i've heard alot of good things about the Dell monitors..

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nuG

i have a dell 17" moniter and its really nice. i cant imagine having a bigger one, id be in heaven!

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Tipstaff

Polyview LCDs are designed and made by Chi Mei Optoelectronics (also known as CMO). A company called Protac International is responsible for the distribution of their monitors in Australia and New Zeland.

Hope that helped ya out.

-Tip

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ut2k4wikichici

are all new LCD monitors 16bit and does this have and disadvantage compered to a 32bit CRT monitor

HawgsHead

I have had quite a few and you cant go wrong wrong with an NEC- Mitsusishi.You NEVER have to apologize for quality.PLUS,when you go to sell it when you wanna upgrade youre not dealing with a no-name fly-by-niter thats in business today and gone tomorrow.Although I'm not saying NEC is the only quality monitor on the market.There are lots of good ones out there.I just prefer NEC or Sony.PLUS,they stand behind what thay sell,no questions asked.Both my monitors are NEC-Mitsusishi,1 20"LCD and 1 21" CRT.Never had a bit of problem with any of the NEC's I have ever had.....And as far as the fan blowing on youre PC I have a rather large fan blowing on my Zalman Reserator 1 water cooling unit on my SLi rig.It drops the temps 5-7 degrees....whatever works!

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ut2k4wikichici

well is it ?

Tipstaff

LCDs display 16.7 million colors, which translates to 24bit color depth(16bit displays 65, 536 colors). What's the difference then between 24bit and 32bit color depths? They both use 16.7 million colors, but 32bit is optimized for photo editing and 3D gaming.

Check out a quick chart:

Color Depth Setting, Number of Colors On-Screen, Best Uses

16 colors , Same number of colors, Automatically selected by standard VGA or Safe Mode bootup with Windows 9x/Me; not recommended for normal use.

256 colors, Same number of colors, Use only when software or process can't run with more colors.

16-bit, 65,536 colors, Minimum needed for fairly realistic 3D gaming or photo viewing; some graininess will be visible in colors, but some games play faster in this mode.

24-bit, 16.7 million colors, Realistic photo editing, but not as good for 3D gaming as 32-bit color. Use 32-bit setting if 24-bit setting not available.

32-bit, 16.7 million colors, Provides the same number of colors as 24-bit, but is optimized for gaming as well as for photo-editing and business programs, however this is not true 32bit color. If it were it would have 4.3 billion colors (which is CMYK color).

-Tip

Edit: Someone commented to me about 32bit color not being 16.7 million colors, but infact 4.3billion (rounded). This is true to a point. There are 256 possible values for each of the 3 colors in RGB (red, green, blue) which is used for 24bit color depth. Almost every monitor (LCD and CRT) are RGB monitors. As I mentioned above this is the same for 24bit and 32bit RGB values. CMYK (Cyan, Magneta, Yellow, Black), on the other hand is true 32bit color, and has 4.3 billion colors. In a lot of cases the black is more of an 'extra' color. Since 100% of the CMY colors gives you black an RGB monitor will discard the black. Almost all monitors use the RGB standard, while CMYK is used for print (pictures and so forth).

Heres something to think about: in more simple, deductive terms, how can a monitor that says it can display 16.7 million colors be 'True Color' 32bit, when in 'True Color' 32bit you have 4.3 billion colors?

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ut2k4wikichici

so would a 19inch LCD monitor have 32bit display mode ?

Tipstaff

To answer your question, yes, but most LCD monitors that say they support 16.7 million colors are infact 32bit color displays (but I've seen really cheap ones only allow 24bit for some stupid @$$ reason). A lot of manufacturers don't list it as 32bit color just incase the video card the customer is using won't display 32bit color, but rather 24bit. Just so you know, my Viewsonic 17" 171b has 2 settings: 16bit, and 32bit.

-Tip

Oh, and I've edited my above post for a little clairification on the colors. That being the differences between 24bit and 32bit.. so give it another read.

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ut2k4wikichici

so this monitor http://www.vmcomputers.com.au/produc...roducts_id=698 would support 32bit ?

ps. i will be buying this monitor in about a month!

Tipstaff

I'd have to say yes.

-Tip

BTW: I'm sort of contradicting myself between the 24bit/32bit differences.. but there is more to it than what I can post in a thread such as 32bit textures (which are pictures) vs 32bit color rendering, and so on and so forth. Hell.. I'm starting to confuse myself trying to explain it, so I'm gonna back off on it as this really isn't the place to be explaining this. Just not enough space (or time). If you look around the net (such as HERE and HERE .. of note, the last link they show a pic that indicates RBG has 3 colors with 255 values for each.. which is wrong.. it's 3 colors with 0-255, for a total of 256 each) you'll be able to work it out yourself, and begin to understand the confusion.

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Lelisevis

That link above quotes a refresh rate of 21ms, be careful of ghosting.
Try laying your hands on this http://www.hyundaiq.com/pro_l90d+.asp
I picked mine up for about £300uk which is pretty damned cheap for a decent LCD. No major issues with it at all.
Edit: Click on the spec button for the full details

Tipstaff

Since ut2k is in Australia, here is a link to a place for that monitor in 'the land down under' from iTech (these guys are in Ultimo btw):

Hyundai L90D

and my personal choice:

Viewsonic 191b although this monitor sells for $300 more down there.

You will find both 12ms and 8ms versions of both of these monitors, so make sure to check which one you are getting before you buy it... if you buy one of them that is.

-Tip

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ut2k4wikichici

so what would be the best response time ? 8ms 12ms 24ms ?

ut2k4wikichici

and the best local shop i have is VM computers what monitor under 800$ AUS could i get ?

a good one that is ? and what is the best response time

tEckniks

that LCD you picked isnt worth the 400. you can get something much better for the same price.

8ms is good for gaming.

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ut2k4wikichici

So the slower the response time the better ?

what good gaming/movie LCD monitor could i get for around 400-600$AUS

but i wont buy anything under 19inch

Yousaif

8ms is faster than 21ms. The ms is milliseconds.

A buddy of mine picked up a 16ms response monitor and he has some minor tearing showing up in WoW during spell effects. Other than that he has no troubles with ghosting, etc.

Incidentally that monitor that you linked above (the 21ms response time) goes for $282.99 (USA), which converts to $371.62 (AUS). That doesn't look like a great price to me on the link that you posted, though I don't know about how prices are down under compared to the USA.

-Saif

ut2k4wikichici

thankyou very much for your help! would this monitor be good HYUNDAI L90D+ 19 LCD, 8ms RESPOND, 7001, DVI, PIVOT ?

and what is the average price it should be in AUS $ ?

thankyou for the quick reply!!!

ut2k4wikichici

ino the prices are crap but the shop is only a med. size and is 10 hours out of syd. so thats probably why the prices are a little high....

please arswer my post ^ above this one! thankyou

Tipstaff

Fastest response time is 4ms (grey-to-grey). Although VM doesn't sell it, the Viewsonic VX924 is a 4ms panel, and goes for $660 Aussie dollars.

'Course, it might sounds as if I'm being a little bias here, so here's 2 others: BenQ also makes 2 fast monitors: the FP71V+ which is a 17" monitor at 5ms, and the FP91V+ which is the 19" at 6ms.

Of note: Faster IS NOT better. I personally would not buy a monitor that is faster than 8ms right now. Here's why: the only way to make them faster is to reduce the amount of colors the monitor can produce. While both of the above monitors are the fastest LCDs on the market they are not 'True Color' monitors. By that I mean they only display 16.2 million colors, and NOT 16.7 million colors (24bit/32bit color). That's why those particular monitors have serious dithering issues, however on the VX924 Viewsonic has tried to compensate for this problem... but it's still noticeable. For more info take a look at THIS article here. It can explain things better.

For now stick with 8ms panels as, for the most part, these are still True Color monitors.

As for the price on the Hyundai monitor.. it should go for around $700-800 AUS. Dollars.

-Tip

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Yousaif

That monitor is on sale at Newegg.com for US $347.99. Would be about AUS $457.

Please note that this is a 1 day sale price and the same monitor is at Tigerdirect for US $339.99 (about AUS $447).

These are big suppliers so they can get lower prices than your local dealer.

-Saif

ut2k4wikichici

so should i get the HYUNDAI L90D+ 19 LCD, 8ms RESPOND, 7001, DVI, PIVOT monitor and what would VM computers sell it for in store ?

PS. my vm store is aus and its way out of syd !

please reply!!