So what do you guys think of the Dual core p4's?

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jun 20, 2005, 10:56 PM

I've been eye balling a "intel Pentium D 820 800MHz FSB LGA 775 Dual Core, EM64T Processor" considering the prices are like $275 and up

AMD's prices are "out of this world" on the dual cores like $600+ and up
of couse it's over $1,000 for the dual cores with hyper threading

What do you guys think? Of course AMD are usally better for gameing but there is more
then gameing... future games and drivers will likely pick up multi threading support. looking down the read to longhorn a dual core cpu will be what they expect in the adverage system....

The dual core intels price is rather eye catching but is it worth it
and how it will hold up over time

CDsDontBurn · Jun 20, 2005, 11:39 PM

wherever you can get that 820 for that price, go for it. My work sells the 820 for $319.99. See how much more the 830 is over the 820 just to have a nice round even Ghz number

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IMO though, i don't like the 8x0 series chips. Intel is known to have hyperthreading, so i don't understand why they don't enable hyperthreading in their 8x0 chips, but they will in their 8x0 EE series chips and tach on extra $500 to it. Other than having 4 logical processors, there is not a single difference in the 8x0 series vs. the 8x0 EE series. The way I feel Intel should have done this was to have 4 logical processors in their 8x0 series, and their EE chips have a 1066FSB, 2Mbx2 L3 cache, and also have the 4 logical processors.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jun 21, 2005, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

wherever you can get that 820 for that price, go for it. My work sells the 820 for $319.99. See how much more the 830 is over the 820 just to have a nice round even Ghz number

.

IMO though, i don't like the 8x0 series chips. Intel is known to have hyperthreading, so i don't understand why they don't enable hyperthreading in their 8x0 chips, but they will in their 8x0 EE series chips and tach on extra $500 to it. Other than having 4 logical processors, there is not a single difference in the 8x0 series vs. the 8x0 EE series. The way I feel Intel should have done this was to have 4 logical processors in their 8x0 series, and their EE chips have a 1066FSB, 2Mbx2 L3 cache, and also have the 4 logical processors.

massive leap like $384 for the 830's...

I know they are robbing people on HT support.... no reason why they shouldn't but they probubly factord it in why the prices are so good for them though.... I'd love to have 2 physical and 2 virtual cpus

I'm not looking to upgrade immedatly but I watch things like that verry closely

CDsDontBurn · Jun 21, 2005, 03:50 AM

ehh..next time i upgrade won't be for a very LONG time

ReDGuiTaR · Jun 21, 2005, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

massive leap like $384 for the 830's...

I know they are robbing people on HT support.... no reason why they shouldn't but they probubly factord it in why the prices are so good for them though.... I'd love to have 2 physical and 2 virtual cpus

I'm not looking to upgrade immedatly but I watch things like that verry closely

just sit and watch what will happen ... AMD is going to destroy those false 2core intel proc ...because from what i read and first bench AMD got a real dual proc while intel does not ....it share too many thing like fsb to be a real dual proc ... enjoy the show

my 2 cents

mike2h · Jun 21, 2005, 04:35 AM

bet ya somebody finds a way to enable the HT in those chips.

Necrosis · Jun 21, 2005, 07:02 AM

How about one core having HT enabled while the other does not? Having HT enabled on a dual core is almost about pointless. What program can use 2 physical, and two logical processors. I can't remember the model numbers but the only dual core P4 I would even start to look at is the 3GHz.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jun 22, 2005, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Necrosis

How about one core having HT enabled while the other does not? Having HT enabled on a dual core is almost about pointless. What program can use 2 physical, and two logical processors. I can't remember the model numbers but the only dual core P4 I would even start to look at is the 3GHz.

well if it handles 2 it will handle more then 2 aka HT's virtual processor will make it act
"more" like a 4 CPU system.... It woud alow you to multitask alot more etc...

There are even some onld games that like quake 3 that would take advanatage
future games sure will...

riles9262 · Jun 22, 2005, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Necrosis

How about one core having HT enabled while the other does not? Having HT enabled on a dual core is almost about pointless. What program can use 2 physical, and two logical processors. I can't remember the model numbers but the only dual core P4 I would even start to look at is the 3GHz.

That's what I was wondering...ht doesn't seem to make sense to me anymore in a dual core setup.

mike2h · Jun 22, 2005, 08:23 AM

yes & no. the logick of ht still applies - making use of unused cpu resources. of course this will not be an real issue until os/software make full use of dual core but when that does happen then ht would be as useful as it is now.
i also beleive it will be slightly useful before then as the way a program/os makes use of dual core is different from the way ht is utilised.

Jun 20, 2005, 10:56 PM	#1
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	So what do you guys think of the Dual core p4's? I've been eye balling a "intel Pentium D 820 800MHz FSB LGA 775 Dual Core, EM64T Processor" considering the prices are like $275 and up AMD's prices are "out of this world" on the dual cores like $600+ and up of couse it's over $1,000 for the dual cores with hyper threading What do you guys think? Of course AMD are usally better for gameing but there is more then gameing... future games and drivers will likely pick up multi threading support. looking down the read to longhorn a dual core cpu will be what they expect in the adverage system.... The dual core intels price is rather eye catching but is it worth it and how it will hold up over time __________________ Last edited by The_Neon_Cowboy; Jun 21, 2005 at 03:16 AM.

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CDsDontBurn 127.0.0.1 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,458 Rep Power: 202 System Specs	wherever you can get that 820 for that price, go for it. My work sells the 820 for $319.99. See how much more the 830 is over the 820 just to have a nice round even Ghz number . IMO though, i don't like the 8x0 series chips. Intel is known to have hyperthreading, so i don't understand why they don't enable hyperthreading in their 8x0 chips, but they will in their 8x0 EE series chips and tach on extra $500 to it. Other than having 4 logical processors, there is not a single difference in the 8x0 series vs. the 8x0 EE series. The way I feel Intel should have done this was to have 4 logical processors in their 8x0 series, and their EE chips have a 1066FSB, 2Mbx2 L3 cache, and also have the 4 logical processors. __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

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mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	bet ya somebody finds a way to enable the HT in those chips. __________________

Jun 22, 2005, 08:23 AM	#10
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	yes & no. the logick of ht still applies - making use of unused cpu resources. of course this will not be an real issue until os/software make full use of dual core but when that does happen then ht would be as useful as it is now. i also beleive it will be slightly useful before then as the way a program/os makes use of dual core is different from the way ht is utilised. __________________

Jun 21, 2005, 07:02 AM	#7
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 129 System Specs	How about one core having HT enabled while the other does not? Having HT enabled on a dual core is almost about pointless. What program can use 2 physical, and two logical processors. I can't remember the model numbers but the only dual core P4 I would even start to look at is the 3GHz.