Whats the speed difference between these two cards?

MikeDaMan · Dec 16, 2002, 02:06 AM

I was curious as to how much faster an Nvidia GeForce 4 TI 4200 is when compared to a Radeon 8500 Retail? Not the LE edition.

Krychek57 · Dec 16, 2002, 03:20 AM

This Link should answer your questions.: http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic...418/index.html

digitalwanderer · Dec 16, 2002, 03:52 AM

...I prefer my GF3 for gaming over my 8500 in Bubbles. Even though the 8500 scores about 1100 points better in 3dm2k1se, the GF3 just flat-out games better.

DriveEuro · Dec 16, 2002, 04:35 AM

I woulda thought that the Ti4200 is better.

Vampyromaniac · Dec 16, 2002, 06:26 AM

It is. Who said it wasn't?

DriveEuro · Dec 16, 2002, 06:41 AM

I mean... I'd get the 4200...

Dec 16, 2002, 07:48 AM

Hold your horses ppl !!!

If the 4200 is 64mb version a Gf3 Ti 500 will match and sometimes run over it in performance.

My baby is in the 10k scoring zone and alot of 4200 64mbs havent seen that mark.

But the question is how they perform in realtime (games etc.) and i can say im am very satisfied so far.

And the original question should also state what 4200 we are talking about.

Vampyromaniac · Dec 16, 2002, 08:25 AM

Lol, greekrage, it's between a 4200 and a radeon 8500, not gf3

Dec 16, 2002, 03:53 PM

I really hate quoting my self but:

"And the original question should also state what 4200 we are talking about"

Thats why i talked about my GF3....

Some gf4 Ti4200s suck....is my point

Ever see the default core clocks on some 4200s ?? (200 )

And i see a 8500 up there with a 275 core but with a 275 mem clock so im sure that in alot of cases they come up equal and this IF the 4200 is a 64mb model with cheap ram.

digitalwanderer · Dec 16, 2002, 04:22 PM

You kidding? A GF4 ti4200 would be an upgrade for me from my GF3 (250/540).

Dec 16, 2002, 08:38 PM

Yeah but yopu have the P.O.S gf3 not the ti 500 right ??

And i have it @ 275/580 doing fine...

WyreTheWolf · Dec 16, 2002, 08:44 PM

Basically this is what is being said. Look for a QUALITY geforce4 Ti 4200, with 128MB of DDR ram. It will kill the 8500 in nearly every test.. As my VisionTek is a testement to. clocks of 315/620 and a 3dmark2001 of 12,116. Look for the visiontek, msi, asus... or something similar. You can't go wrong.

kinetic · Dec 16, 2002, 09:22 PM

I've just replaced my Radeon 8500 with this http://www.hexus.net/review.php?review=425

Out of the box it is clocked at 275/500 MHz core and memory speeds, the same as a Ti4400. Although I haven't tried it yet, it is possible to run it at 300/600MHz almost as fast as a Ti4600, all for the price of a regular Ti4200. The only downside is the 7200rpm fan, it's a noisy bugger. Well, can't say I wasn't told, RIV@NVX did warn me in an earlier post.

MikeDaMan · Dec 16, 2002, 09:48 PM

Thanks for all the replys guys. To clarify I am talking about an Nvidia GeForce 4 TI 4200 128mb. I was wondering if it would make sence to upgrade to this card for only $100 (a trade in deal). Does anyone know how this would compare gaming wise, or does it just beat the hell out of the Radeon 8500 64mb?

Vampyromaniac · Dec 17, 2002, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GREEKRAGE
Some gf4 Ti4200s suck....is my point

Ever see the default core clocks on some 4200s ?? (200 )

. . . they come up equal and this IF the 4200 is a 64mb model with cheap ram.

Oh, I didn't know that . . .

This is like 8500LELELE situation?
Are these lo-qual Ti4200's as slow as Radeon8500 even?

Mike: I think thw "standard" Ti4200's do beat the hell out of the Radeon8500

Dec 17, 2002, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kinetic
I've just replaced my Radeon 8500 with this http://www.hexus.net/review.php?review=425

Out of the box it is clocked at 275/500 MHz core and memory speeds, the same as a Ti4400. Although I haven't tried it yet, it is possible to run it at 300/600MHz almost as fast as a Ti4600, all for the price of a regular Ti4200. The only downside is the 7200rpm fan, it's a noisy bugger. Well, can't say I wasn't told, RIV@NVX did warn me in an earlier post.

Hey thats one hell of a card .
I saw the review about a week ago and fell in love with the HEATPIPE cooling it has.

They are gonna have a FX model like that too.

WyreTheWolf · Dec 17, 2002, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MikeDaMan
Thanks for all the replys guys. To clarify I am talking about an Nvidia GeForce 4 TI 4200 128mb. I was wondering if it would make sence to upgrade to this card for only $100 (a trade in deal). Does anyone know how this would compare gaming wise, or does it just beat the hell out of the Radeon 8500 64mb?

The Geforce would treat the 8500 like a king.... RODNEY KING!

Vampyromaniac · Dec 17, 2002, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WyreTheWolf
The Geforce would treat the 8500 like a king.... RODNEY KING!

I dunno whether to

or

sh_polinatora · Dec 17, 2002, 12:56 PM

dude you should try 9000 pro it is the best among 4200 and ati 8500

Ryoko · Dec 17, 2002, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sh_polinatora
dude you should try 9000 pro it is the best among 4200 and ati 8500

LOL

the 9000 is worse than BOTH an 8500 and a 4200.

DriveEuro · Dec 17, 2002, 07:20 PM

Yes, the 9000 is worse.

Dec 16, 2002, 02:06 AM	#1
MikeDaMan DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 874 Rep Power: 0	Whats the speed difference between these two cards? I was curious as to how much faster an Nvidia GeForce 4 TI 4200 is when compared to a Radeon 8500 Retail? Not the LE edition. __________________ DFI Lanpart UT 250GB motherboard. 1GB 2X512 Crucial Ballistix PC 3200. AMD Athlon 64 3400+. Retail ATI Radeon X850XT PE AGP

Dec 16, 2002, 03:20 AM	#2
Krychek57 Long time lurker Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Parkland, WA Posts: 50 Rep Power: 0	Speed This Link should answer your questions.: http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic...418/index.html

Dec 16, 2002, 03:52 AM	#3
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	I don't know, but... ...I prefer my GF3 for gaming over my 8500 in Bubbles. Even though the 8500 scores about 1100 points better in 3dm2k1se, the GF3 just flat-out games better. __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Dec 16, 2002, 04:35 AM	#4
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	I woulda thought that the Ti4200 is better. __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Dec 16, 2002, 06:26 AM	#5
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Dec 16, 2002, 06:41 AM	#6
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	I mean... I'd get the 4200... __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Dec 16, 2002, 07:48 AM	#7
GREEKRAGE Guest Posts: n/a	Hold your horses ppl !!! If the 4200 is 64mb version a Gf3 Ti 500 will match and sometimes run over it in performance. My baby is in the 10k scoring zone and alot of 4200 64mbs havent seen that mark. But the question is how they perform in realtime (games etc.) and i can say im am very satisfied so far. And the original question should also state what 4200 we are talking about.

Dec 16, 2002, 08:25 AM	#8
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	Lol, greekrage, it's between a 4200 and a radeon 8500, not gf3 __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Dec 16, 2002, 03:53 PM	#9
GREEKRAGE Guest Posts: n/a	I really hate quoting my self but: "And the original question should also state what 4200 we are talking about" Thats why i talked about my GF3.... Some gf4 Ti4200s suck....is my point Ever see the default core clocks on some 4200s ?? (200 ) And i see a 8500 up there with a 275 core but with a 275 mem clock so im sure that in alot of cases they come up equal and this IF the 4200 is a 64mb model with cheap ram.

Dec 16, 2002, 04:22 PM	#10
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	Nah. You kidding? A GF4 ti4200 would be an upgrade for me from my GF3 (250/540). __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Dec 16, 2002, 08:38 PM	#11
GREEKRAGE Guest Posts: n/a	Yeah but yopu have the P.O.S gf3 not the ti 500 right ?? And i have it @ 275/580 doing fine...

Dec 16, 2002, 08:44 PM	#12
WyreTheWolf Wolfish Bastard Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cave; Ozark Mountains Posts: 2,110 Rep Power: 0	Basically this is what is being said. Look for a QUALITY geforce4 Ti 4200, with 128MB of DDR ram. It will kill the 8500 in nearly every test.. As my VisionTek is a testement to. clocks of 315/620 and a 3dmark2001 of 12,116. Look for the visiontek, msi, asus... or something similar. You can't go wrong.

Dec 16, 2002, 09:22 PM	#13
kinetic DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Manchester England Posts: 2,559 Rep Power: 0	I've just replaced my Radeon 8500 with this http://www.hexus.net/review.php?review=425 Out of the box it is clocked at 275/500 MHz core and memory speeds, the same as a Ti4400. Although I haven't tried it yet, it is possible to run it at 300/600MHz almost as fast as a Ti4600, all for the price of a regular Ti4200. The only downside is the 7200rpm fan, it's a noisy bugger. Well, can't say I wasn't told, RIV@NVX did warn me in an earlier post.

Dec 16, 2002, 09:48 PM	Thread Starter #14
MikeDaMan DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 874 Rep Power: 0	Thanks for all the replys guys. To clarify I am talking about an Nvidia GeForce 4 TI 4200 128mb. I was wondering if it would make sence to upgrade to this card for only $100 (a trade in deal). Does anyone know how this would compare gaming wise, or does it just beat the hell out of the Radeon 8500 64mb? __________________ DFI Lanpart UT 250GB motherboard. 1GB 2X512 Crucial Ballistix PC 3200. AMD Athlon 64 3400+. Retail ATI Radeon X850XT PE AGP

Dec 17, 2002, 12:56 PM	#19
sh_polinatora DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ontario Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	have you bought the card yet dude you should try 9000 pro it is the best among 4200 and ati 8500

Dec 17, 2002, 07:20 PM	#21
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