XP2100 Palamino running hot....but not that hot?

DriveEuro · Jan 1, 2003, 12:55 AM

I'm using easy tune 4 (included with my GA-7AVX board) and it says that my XP2100 Palamino is running at 55C at idle....And that is with a volcano 9 running at 4100rpm. And the ambient temperature is in the middle 60F degrees. Why the hell would the processor run so damn hot? With artic silver, good fan and heatsink, and not overclocked...... WTF!?!?!?

Edits: I touch the heatsink and it is not even as hot as my old 1.33ghz Thunderbird overclocked to 1.46ghz. Could my mobo be giving me some BS temps?

MikeDaMan · Jan 1, 2003, 01:28 AM

That is a little strange I have the same processor and I have a Thermaltake Volcano 7+ and the processor is usually about 42-44C.

DriveEuro · Jan 1, 2003, 01:45 AM

But is your processor the Palamino core?

Rayder · Jan 1, 2003, 05:36 AM

My Palamino XP2100 runs at 51c idling(at least that is what it's showing while browsing and playing music on MusicMatch). I'm just using the original AMD heatsink on it right now, but I plan to get a Volcano 7+ real soon myself. I've seen it go as high as 56.5c after some gaming.

So, what's the "danger temp" for this CPU anyway?

ToshiroOC · Jan 1, 2003, 09:48 AM

The danger temp is around 65 C if I recall correctly, but in reality the danger temp is going to be beyond whatever temperature locks your computer up, so I would say that you are in the clear so long as you tell your mobo to kill the power at 65 or 70 C automatically and you shut down when things get above 60ish...

Jan 1, 2003, 10:18 AM

I know your gonna hate me but.:

I have a palomino myself (2100+) and im cooling it with a CAk4 t88 and since i ran out of AS3 i used some high performance thermal grease that came with my GlobalWin cooler.

I have my core volts pumped up to at least 1.9v most of the time and right now im at 2v.
Well i hate to tell ya but my CPU temp is below ..are you sitting down??................45 degrees C idle.
But if i use CPUCool i get down to 40 !!!!

The only time i actually saw 51 when i had a shitty cooler and ran alot of benches.
Or when i did a 10 round burn-in with sandra @ 148 fsb 2volt.

WyreTheWolf · Jan 1, 2003, 10:39 AM

DriveEuro, I have a 1600+ AGOIA 4 .... its default is 1.7vcore 10.5X133 for a total of 1400MHz ... Now here is the kicker. I now have it running at 10.5X175 @ 1.85 vcore... Using a Thermalright SK6 with a Delta ... I am getting a temp under full load 44*C ... You must have something installed incorrectly.

Necrosis · Jan 1, 2003, 10:58 AM

Drive,

I would recommend you uninstall your processor and reinstall it being very careful in applying the paste. It sounds like to me you might have air pockets or something.

kinetic · Jan 1, 2003, 11:31 AM

My Asus utility tells me that my xp2000 is runnin at 69 C.
Can that be right?

Necrosis · Jan 1, 2003, 11:35 AM

Good lord I hope not.

Have you downloaded the lastest bios for your motherboard? I would look into that and try Motherboard monitor.

kinetic · Jan 1, 2003, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Necrosis
Good lord I hope not.

Have you downloaded the lastest bios for your motherboard? I would look into that and try Motherboard monitor.

You're right, latest bios fixes cpu probe. Motherboard monitor reads 59 C. David did tell me I may have to upgrade my heatsink with the new cpu. Any recommendations?

Necrosis · Jan 1, 2003, 01:50 PM

How much you willing to spend. UK OC has the Alpha which is a great heatsink for the money if your willing to spend that much.

tragic · Jan 1, 2003, 03:50 PM

I'm running the Athlon XP 2100 Palamino. At first my temperatures were way to high. Stressing the rig i was at 75C.

I installed three extras fans, now a total of 5 and some artic silver paste.

That brought down the temperatures, but just idling away like now, my temperatures are always like these:

The machine runs just fine at these temps, although they tend to rise if i stress the machine some, but no where near 75 C as before.

toddsmack2k · Jan 1, 2003, 04:02 PM

i also have the palamino 2100. at idle i am 54-55 degrees, when i stress it (like 2 hrs straight of gaming) it jumps to 59-60 degrees. that is with no gel and 1 fan in the case and a slot fan. you definitely should be running cooler than me.

Veky · Jan 1, 2003, 04:03 PM

Highwayman, get the latest beta BIOS for the A7V333, 1016, ASUS finally fixed the temperature readings.

Here are my readings (XP2000+ and Volcano7) :

Those are idle readings. On full the case goes up by 3C, and the CPU goes to 49C maximum at full capacity.

Btw guys, is there a way to make the Volcano 7 and Thermaltake Smartfans to rotate faster? (they have that speed adjusting by temperautre thing)

Jan 1, 2003, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kinetic
You're right, latest bios fixes cpu probe. Motherboard monitor reads 59 C. David did tell me I may have to upgrade my heatsink with the new cpu. Any recommendations?

Yeah the Thermalright SLK-800 is pretty good and it can take a 8x8 fan (smartfan recomended)

A Review by HardOCP

I think it goes for about 40 usd..

Bambers · Jan 1, 2003, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DriveEuro
I'm using easy tune 4 (included with my GA-7AVX board) and it says that my XP2100 Palamino is running at 55C at idle....And that is with a volcano 9 running at 4100rpm. And the ambient temperature is in the middle 60F degrees. Why the hell would the processor run so damn hot? With artic silver, good fan and heatsink, and not overclocked...... WTF!?!?!?

Edits: I touch the heatsink and it is not even as hot as my old 1.33ghz Thunderbird overclocked to 1.46ghz. Could my mobo be giving me some BS temps?

Palominos have an internal diode to give the temp whereas the tbirds only had the thermistor under the chip so palominos will read a hotter temp even though the heatsink is cooler.

My overclocked 2000+ is about 62C idle (69 under load) on the diode but only reads at 41C on the thermistor which is the same as my 1Ghz tbird was.

For the thermistor temp getting above 60 is too high but the internal diode can go into the 70s without any damage although it might not be 100% stable

I've seen a tbird at 88C (sustained) on the thermistor and survive so I would think that the death point for an internal diode is over 100C. Not that id garuntee your cpu if you ran it at that temp

tragic · Jan 1, 2003, 05:23 PM

Veky

where did you find the latest bios update 1016? I only found the 1015, which i have.

Thanks

Veky · Jan 1, 2003, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by highwayman
Veky

where did you find the latest bios update 1016? I only found the 1015, which i have.

Thanks

Get it right here: http://www.asus.com/support/download...01.zip~zaqwedc

The CPU temp reading will drop, they fixed it finally.

RIV@NVX · Jan 1, 2003, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Veky
Btw guys, is there a way to make the Volcano 7 and Thermaltake Smartfans to rotate faster? (they have that speed adjusting by temperautre thing)

I heard that you can just remove the thing that monitors the temperature and that then they rotate at MAX speed.
Not confirmed.

Veky · Jan 1, 2003, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RIV@NVX
I heard that you can just remove the thing that monitors the temperature and that then they rotate at MAX speed.
Not confirmed.

Ah, okay, but that process can not be reversed? I just want to max the speed so I can check the lowest temp I can get.

RIV@NVX · Jan 1, 2003, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Veky
Ah, okay, but that process can not be reversed? I just want to max the speed so I can check the lowest temp I can get.

It can't be reversed

ToshiroOC · Jan 1, 2003, 07:58 PM

I am running an AGKGA K (first stepping) Palomino at 1764mhz at 1.7 volts, with the temperature holding at 14C above ambient (ambient here varies from 10-30, depending on weather and time of day, with major overclocking being at night when its ~10 )

DriveEuro · Jan 1, 2003, 08:15 PM

Hmmm....... I guess I'll reseat the heatsink....I put on a right amount of ASIII and didn't swivle the heatsink around... Just set it on there.

kinetic · Jan 1, 2003, 09:14 PM

Thanks for all the input guys, very interesting!

Just to keep ya in the picture I've ordered a Volcano 7+ http://www.thermaltake.com/products/heatsink/v7plus.htm

I'll let you know what difference it makes

DriveEuro · Jan 1, 2003, 10:43 PM

So I refitted the heatsink and only got a 1-2C better temp....I dunno...I can't live with this hot of a processor......It's kinda annoying. I have a 2200T-bred laying around that I was gonna sell.....I might try that out.

DaSnIpE · Jan 2, 2003, 03:24 AM

My 2100+ ain't that hot, I have an AX-7 and a 50 cfm varible fan (it's a LED fan with a rheostat). I have a wpcredit tweak that enabled STGNT, that lowers the CPU temp quite a lot in my case on my KX7-333, maybe it'll work for u.

DriveEuro · Jan 2, 2003, 03:33 AM

where did you get that tweak? does that do the same thing that CPUCool does?

DaSnIpE · Jan 2, 2003, 06:24 AM

Might be, those programs use HALT enable, the tweak I have uses STGNT or something, it's register 92, bit 1 I think, I'll get more info 2morrow on this stuff.

Rayder · Jan 2, 2003, 07:09 AM

Wanna hear something wierd? The other day my XP2100 palamino was idling at 55c. Today I registered WinXP, now it's idling at 51.5c.

Mind-bogging ain't it? I don't think that just registering my WinXP really caused the temp to drop like that. Maybe the system has just settled into itself?

Right now I'm just using the stock AMD heatsink, but I'm definitely going to get a ThermalTake Volcano 7+. I wonder what it will do then......maybe I'll go get it tomorrow.

I'm running the CPU at the default voltage settings, I don't overclock anything. Wouldn't it actually hurt the CPU to run it at higher voltages or would I get some advantage out of that? If there is an advantage, what is it and what should I set the voltage to?

Jan 1, 2003, 12:55 AM	#1
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	XP2100 Palamino running hot....but not that hot? I'm using easy tune 4 (included with my GA-7AVX board) and it says that my XP2100 Palamino is running at 55C at idle....And that is with a volcano 9 running at 4100rpm. And the ambient temperature is in the middle 60F degrees. Why the hell would the processor run so damn hot? With artic silver, good fan and heatsink, and not overclocked...... WTF!?!?!? Edits: I touch the heatsink and it is not even as hot as my old 1.33ghz Thunderbird overclocked to 1.46ghz. Could my mobo be giving me some BS temps? __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024 Last edited by DriveEuro; Jan 1, 2003 at 01:19 AM.

Jan 1, 2003, 01:28 AM	#2
MikeDaMan DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 874 Rep Power: 0	That is a little strange I have the same processor and I have a Thermaltake Volcano 7+ and the processor is usually about 42-44C. __________________ DFI Lanpart UT 250GB motherboard. 1GB 2X512 Crucial Ballistix PC 3200. AMD Athlon 64 3400+. Retail ATI Radeon X850XT PE AGP

Jan 1, 2003, 01:45 AM	Thread Starter #3
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	But is your processor the Palamino core? __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Jan 1, 2003, 09:48 AM	#5
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	The danger temp is around 65 C if I recall correctly, but in reality the danger temp is going to be beyond whatever temperature locks your computer up, so I would say that you are in the clear so long as you tell your mobo to kill the power at 65 or 70 C automatically and you shut down when things get above 60ish... __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jan 1, 2003, 04:02 PM	#14
toddsmack2k It Never..... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,173 Rep Power: 0	i also have the palamino 2100. at idle i am 54-55 degrees, when i stress it (like 2 hrs straight of gaming) it jumps to 59-60 degrees. that is with no gel and 1 fan in the case and a slot fan. you definitely should be running cooler than me. __________________ [color=blue]*Bleeding From the Inside Pouring Out, The* *DriverHeaven* Spiral, We Shall Never Let Go Of.[/color]

Jan 1, 2003, 05:36 AM	#4
Rayder Mostly lurking lately.... Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 2,161 Rep Power: 73	My Palamino XP2100 runs at 51c idling(at least that is what it's showing while browsing and playing music on MusicMatch). I'm just using the original AMD heatsink on it right now, but I plan to get a Volcano 7+ real soon myself. I've seen it go as high as 56.5c after some gaming. So, what's the "danger temp" for this CPU anyway?

Jan 1, 2003, 10:18 AM	#6
GREEKRAGE Guest Posts: n/a	I know your gonna hate me but.: I have a palomino myself (2100+) and im cooling it with a CAk4 t88 and since i ran out of AS3 i used some high performance thermal grease that came with my GlobalWin cooler. I have my core volts pumped up to at least 1.9v most of the time and right now im at 2v. Well i hate to tell ya but my CPU temp is below ..are you sitting down??................45 degrees C idle. But if i use CPUCool i get down to 40 !!!! The only time i actually saw 51 when i had a shitty cooler and ran alot of benches. Or when i did a 10 round burn-in with sandra @ 148 fsb 2volt.

Jan 1, 2003, 10:39 AM	#7
WyreTheWolf Wolfish Bastard Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cave; Ozark Mountains Posts: 2,110 Rep Power: 0	DriveEuro, I have a 1600+ AGOIA 4 .... its default is 1.7vcore 10.5X133 for a total of 1400MHz ... Now here is the kicker. I now have it running at 10.5X175 @ 1.85 vcore... Using a Thermalright SK6 with a Delta ... I am getting a temp under full load 44*C ... You must have something installed incorrectly.

Jan 1, 2003, 10:58 AM	#8
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Drive, I would recommend you uninstall your processor and reinstall it being very careful in applying the paste. It sounds like to me you might have air pockets or something.

Jan 1, 2003, 11:31 AM	#9
kinetic DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Manchester England Posts: 2,559 Rep Power: 0	My Asus utility tells me that my xp2000 is runnin at 69 C. Can that be right?

Jan 1, 2003, 11:35 AM	#10
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Good lord I hope not. Have you downloaded the lastest bios for your motherboard? I would look into that and try Motherboard monitor.

Jan 1, 2003, 01:50 PM	#12
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	How much you willing to spend. UK OC has the Alpha which is a great heatsink for the money if your willing to spend that much.

Jan 1, 2003, 03:50 PM	#13
tragic Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Northern Hemi Posts: 0 Rep Power: 0	I'm running the Athlon XP 2100 Palamino. At first my temperatures were way to high. Stressing the rig i was at 75C. I installed three extras fans, now a total of 5 and some artic silver paste. That brought down the temperatures, but just idling away like now, my temperatures are always like these: The machine runs just fine at these temps, although they tend to rise if i stress the machine some, but no where near 75 C as before.

Jan 1, 2003, 04:03 PM	#15
Veky DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 69 Rep Power: 0	Highwayman, get the latest beta BIOS for the A7V333, 1016, ASUS finally fixed the temperature readings. Here are my readings (XP2000+ and Volcano7) : Those are idle readings. On full the case goes up by 3C, and the CPU goes to 49C maximum at full capacity. Btw guys, is there a way to make the Volcano 7 and Thermaltake Smartfans to rotate faster? (they have that speed adjusting by temperautre thing)

Jan 1, 2003, 05:23 PM	#18
tragic Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Northern Hemi Posts: 0 Rep Power: 0	Veky where did you find the latest bios update 1016? I only found the 1015, which i have. Thanks

Jan 1, 2003, 07:58 PM	#23
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	I am running an AGKGA K (first stepping) Palomino at 1764mhz at 1.7 volts, with the temperature holding at 14C above ambient (ambient here varies from 10-30, depending on weather and time of day, with major overclocking being at night when its ~10 ) __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jan 1, 2003, 08:15 PM	Thread Starter #24
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	Hmmm....... I guess I'll reseat the heatsink....I put on a right amount of ASIII and didn't swivle the heatsink around... Just set it on there. __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Jan 1, 2003, 09:14 PM	#25
kinetic DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Manchester England Posts: 2,559 Rep Power: 0	Thanks for all the input guys, very interesting! Just to keep ya in the picture I've ordered a Volcano 7+ http://www.thermaltake.com/products/heatsink/v7plus.htm I'll let you know what difference it makes Last edited by kinetic; Jan 1, 2003 at 09:23 PM.

Jan 1, 2003, 10:43 PM	Thread Starter #26
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	So I refitted the heatsink and only got a 1-2C better temp....I dunno...I can't live with this hot of a processor......It's kinda annoying. I have a 2200T-bred laying around that I was gonna sell.....I might try that out. __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Jan 2, 2003, 03:24 AM	#27
DaSnIpE Driverage Snipe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Montreal, Canada or NYC, USA Posts: 372 Rep Power: 0	My 2100+ ain't that hot, I have an AX-7 and a 50 cfm varible fan (it's a LED fan with a rheostat). I have a wpcredit tweak that enabled STGNT, that lowers the CPU temp quite a lot in my case on my KX7-333, maybe it'll work for u. __________________ Antec SX1030 Case - Enermax 431 W Whisper PS - 4 Case Fans -ThermalRight AX-7 With Panaflo Ultra Fan - Sb Audigy / Logitech Z-560 Speakers / Sennheiser HD497 Headphones WD 80GB 7200 rpm HD - Samsung SyncMaster 955DF - LG 16x10x40x Burner / Pionner 16x Slot DVD View my rig http://nl.dodhq.net/Rig/

Jan 2, 2003, 03:33 AM	Thread Starter #28
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	where did you get that tweak? does that do the same thing that CPUCool does? __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Jan 2, 2003, 06:24 AM	#29
DaSnIpE Driverage Snipe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Montreal, Canada or NYC, USA Posts: 372 Rep Power: 0	Might be, those programs use HALT enable, the tweak I have uses STGNT or something, it's register 92, bit 1 I think, I'll get more info 2morrow on this stuff. __________________ Antec SX1030 Case - Enermax 431 W Whisper PS - 4 Case Fans -ThermalRight AX-7 With Panaflo Ultra Fan - Sb Audigy / Logitech Z-560 Speakers / Sennheiser HD497 Headphones WD 80GB 7200 rpm HD - Samsung SyncMaster 955DF - LG 16x10x40x Burner / Pionner 16x Slot DVD View my rig http://nl.dodhq.net/Rig/

Jan 2, 2003, 07:09 AM	#30
Rayder Mostly lurking lately.... Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 2,161 Rep Power: 73	Wanna hear something wierd? The other day my XP2100 palamino was idling at 55c. Today I registered WinXP, now it's idling at 51.5c. Mind-bogging ain't it? I don't think that just registering my WinXP really caused the temp to drop like that. Maybe the system has just settled into itself? Right now I'm just using the stock AMD heatsink, but I'm definitely going to get a ThermalTake Volcano 7+. I wonder what it will do then......maybe I'll go get it tomorrow. I'm running the CPU at the default voltage settings, I don't overclock anything. Wouldn't it actually hurt the CPU to run it at higher voltages or would I get some advantage out of that? If there is an advantage, what is it and what should I set the voltage to?