Best performance?

Dom · Jan 2, 2003, 12:41 AM

Which would provide the best proformance?

P4 2.4B w/ 512Mb (16bit) PC800 RD-RAM
AMD Athlon XP 2600+ (333FSB) w/ 512Mb PC3200 DDR-RAM on Dual channel mobo
P4 2.4B w/ 512Mb PC3200 DDR-RAM on Dual channel mobo

DriveEuro · Jan 2, 2003, 01:06 AM

XP2600.......are you having a brain far? No offense..XP2600 is equivalent to a pentium 2.6 the ram on the dual channel board would be SOOOOOOOO amazing. Come on, also the Athlon is cheaper...(not much, but it is worth it in the long run).... The price of RAMBUS ram is crazy too, DDR is cheap.

C0NAN · Jan 2, 2003, 01:22 AM

While I agree that the Athlon 2.6 would be better performer, I disagree that prices of RDRAM is crazy. It's only marginally higher than its equivalent DDR modules.

Vampyromaniac · Jan 2, 2003, 01:27 AM

Dom already has RDRAM

I think the P4+DualDDR setup may have a slight edge, but overall, they'd all be about the same

DriveEuro · Jan 2, 2003, 01:57 AM

But put dual channel DDR against RAMBUS.....wouldn't the dual channel 333 work at something like 666mhz?

Dom · Jan 2, 2003, 02:31 AM

Isn't Rambus already Dual Channel?

reno · Jan 2, 2003, 02:45 AM

if the P4 was running on a springdale with dual channel DDR400 it would kick the athlons ass. BUT, it won't be, so the athlon.

and yes, rambus is dual channel

DriveEuro · Jan 2, 2003, 02:57 AM

Another satisfied AMD user.

DaSnIpE · Jan 2, 2003, 03:20 AM

2600 winz, easily, 333 FSB + DCDDR and it's rated vs a 2.6 ghz intel so it wins

Vampyromaniac · Jan 2, 2003, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dom
P4 2.4B w/ 512Mb (16bit) PC800 RD-RAM
AMD Athlon XP 2600+ (333FSB) w/ 512Mb PC3200 DDR-RAM on Dual channel mobo
P4 2.4B w/ 512Mb PC3200 DDR-RAM on Dual channel mobo

OK, I'll break it down on by one . . .

First, the bandwidth from RAM to Northbridge:
1. (16bit) PC800 RD-RAM: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3200 MB/s
2. PC3200 DDR-RAM on Dual channel mobo: . . . 6400 MB/s
3. PC3200 DDR-RAM on Dual channel mobo: . . . 6400 MB/s

Now, the bandwidth from CPU to Northbridge:
1. P4 2.4B: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4200 MB/s
2. AMD Athlon XP 2600+ (333FSB): . . . 2700 MB/s
3. P4 2.4B: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4200 MB/s

The max bandwidth is always limited to the lower number of the RAM or CPU

So, the final max bandwidth of each setup:
1. P4 2.4B w/ 512Mb (16bit) PC800 RD-RAM: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3200 MB/s
2. AMD Athlon XP 2600+ (333FSB) w/ 512Mb PC3200 DDR-RAM on Dual channel mobo: . . . 2700 MB/s
3. P4 2.4B w/ 512Mb PC3200 DDR-RAM on Dual channel mobo: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4200 MB/s

The Athlon's 333MHz FSB is what holds it back. Intel's 533MHz takes better advantage of the Dual Channel DDR.

Now as for the CPU's themselves, well just because AMD named that CPU "2600" doesn't mean that it is the same as a 2600MHz Pentium 4. In some areas, it is better, in others, it is worse. Since it is up against a 2.4GHz Pentium 4 in this case, the Athlon would probably usually be on top. But most of the time probably by only a couple percent! Combine that with Intel's better memory bandwidth, and the field becomes pretty even.

But definitely, none of them wins "easily," and Dual Channel DDR doesn't do too much for the Athlon at this point.

I'll stick with my original guess of P4+DualDDR being slightly better overall.

Dom · Jan 2, 2003, 05:13 AM

Thank you!

Vampyromaniac · Jan 2, 2003, 05:17 AM

You're welcome.

DaSnIpE · Jan 2, 2003, 06:28 AM

Fan boy :P read some reviews of the 2600+, see how that fares for you

Vampyromaniac · Jan 2, 2003, 10:04 AM

Thanks that was good

Congrats, the first person to ever call me a fanboy

I'm laughing so hard cuz I can't find what made you say that

Was it the "field becomes pretty even?" Or the part where I state my guess: a conspicuously italicised "slightly better."

As for xp2600 reviews, you want me to read some? Yes, sir! Right as soon as you provide me with a link comparing Athlons to P4 with Dual-DDR (the matter at hand here, if ya noticed

) Don't worry, I wont hold my breath . . .

Seriously, I've only read a couple, but I don't think anything I said was too far off.

reno · Jan 4, 2003, 04:01 AM

Sorry Vamp, only reviews showcasing an nForce2 and +2800 against a 2.8 P4 on a i845 chipset...which is totally fair

I would actually go for the 2.4 NOT because it's faster than the 2600...but because I could overclock it to 2.8 with no worries whatsoever...I like overclocked thingies

Dom · Jan 4, 2003, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by reno
Sorry Vamp, only reviews showcasing an nForce2 and +2800 against a 2.8 P4 on a i845 chipset...which is totally fair

I would actually go for the 2.4 NOT because it's faster than the 2600...but because I could overclock it to 2.8 with no worries whatsoever...I like overclocked thingies

You said thingies.

Louie6666 · Jan 4, 2003, 07:41 PM

overclocking P4's nice as long as you don't get dreaded sudden death syndrome! then it becomes expensive overclock lol

Vampyromaniac · Jan 4, 2003, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dom
You said thingies.

rofl

Jan 2, 2003, 12:41 AM	#1
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	Best performance? Which would provide the best proformance? P4 2.4B w/ 512Mb (16bit) PC800 RD-RAM AMD Athlon XP 2600+ (333FSB) w/ 512Mb PC3200 DDR-RAM on Dual channel mobo P4 2.4B w/ 512Mb PC3200 DDR-RAM on Dual channel mobo Last edited by Dom; Jan 2, 2003 at 12:47 AM.

Jan 2, 2003, 01:06 AM	#2
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	XP2600.......are you having a brain far? No offense..XP2600 is equivalent to a pentium 2.6 the ram on the dual channel board would be SOOOOOOOO amazing. Come on, also the Athlon is cheaper...(not much, but it is worth it in the long run).... The price of RAMBUS ram is crazy too, DDR is cheap. __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Jan 2, 2003, 01:22 AM	#3
C0NAN DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 52 Rep Power: 0	While I agree that the Athlon 2.6 would be better performer, I disagree that prices of RDRAM is crazy. It's only marginally higher than its equivalent DDR modules. __________________ Thermaltake Xaser III V1000D Case 7 Cooler Master LED Fans P4 3.0C HT 800mhz @ 3.3 Ghz Asus P4P800 Deluxe 1 Gig Geil Ultra Platinum DDR 500 Memory Timing = 2.5-4-4-7-8 @ 2.65 volts Sapphire 9800 Pro 128mb Maxtor Diamond Max Plus 9 160 Gig Maxtor Diamond Max Plus 9 80 Gig Enermax EG465P-VE Power Supply

Jan 2, 2003, 01:27 AM	#4
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	Dom already has RDRAM I think the P4+DualDDR setup may have a slight edge, but overall, they'd all be about the same __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Jan 2, 2003, 01:57 AM	#5
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	But put dual channel DDR against RAMBUS.....wouldn't the dual channel 333 work at something like 666mhz? __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Jan 2, 2003, 02:31 AM	Thread Starter #6
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	Isn't Rambus already Dual Channel?

Jan 2, 2003, 02:45 AM	#7
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	rg if the P4 was running on a springdale with dual channel DDR400 it would kick the athlons ass. BUT, it won't be, so the athlon. and yes, rambus is dual channel

Jan 2, 2003, 02:57 AM	#8
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	Another satisfied AMD user. __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Jan 2, 2003, 03:20 AM	#9
DaSnIpE Driverage Snipe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Montreal, Canada or NYC, USA Posts: 372 Rep Power: 0	2600 winz, easily, 333 FSB + DCDDR and it's rated vs a 2.6 ghz intel so it wins __________________ Antec SX1030 Case - Enermax 431 W Whisper PS - 4 Case Fans -ThermalRight AX-7 With Panaflo Ultra Fan - Sb Audigy / Logitech Z-560 Speakers / Sennheiser HD497 Headphones WD 80GB 7200 rpm HD - Samsung SyncMaster 955DF - LG 16x10x40x Burner / Pionner 16x Slot DVD View my rig http://nl.dodhq.net/Rig/

Jan 2, 2003, 05:13 AM	Thread Starter #11
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	Nice! Thank you!

Jan 2, 2003, 05:17 AM	#12
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	Np You're welcome. __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Jan 2, 2003, 06:28 AM	#13
DaSnIpE Driverage Snipe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Montreal, Canada or NYC, USA Posts: 372 Rep Power: 0	Fan boy :P read some reviews of the 2600+, see how that fares for you __________________ Antec SX1030 Case - Enermax 431 W Whisper PS - 4 Case Fans -ThermalRight AX-7 With Panaflo Ultra Fan - Sb Audigy / Logitech Z-560 Speakers / Sennheiser HD497 Headphones WD 80GB 7200 rpm HD - Samsung SyncMaster 955DF - LG 16x10x40x Burner / Pionner 16x Slot DVD View my rig http://nl.dodhq.net/Rig/

Jan 2, 2003, 10:04 AM	#14
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	ROFLMAO !!! Thanks that was good Congrats, the first person to ever call me a fanboy I'm laughing so hard cuz I can't find what made you say that Was it the "field becomes pretty even?" Or the part where I state my guess: a conspicuously italicised "slightly better." As for xp2600 reviews, you want me to read some? Yes, sir! Right as soon as you provide me with a link comparing Athlons to P4 with Dual-DDR (the matter at hand here, if ya noticed ) Don't worry, I wont hold my breath . . . Seriously, I've only read a couple, but I don't think anything I said was too far off. __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Jan 4, 2003, 04:01 AM	#15
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	xfg Sorry Vamp, only reviews showcasing an nForce2 and +2800 against a 2.8 P4 on a i845 chipset...which is totally fair I would actually go for the 2.4 NOT because it's faster than the 2600...but because I could overclock it to 2.8 with no worries whatsoever...I like overclocked thingies

Jan 4, 2003, 07:41 PM	#17
Louie6666 Just One Sick-Lizard Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 501 Rep Power: 0	overclocking P4's nice as long as you don't get dreaded sudden death syndrome! then it becomes expensive overclock lol __________________