No beeps

kinetic · Jan 3, 2003, 05:32 PM

Fornicatarachnid is in deep shit! All his parts have come for his new system http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...&threadid=8468 but he's not getting any beeps. His mobo LED is on but no beeps. I've tried looking on the net but not had much luck finding an answer apart from faulty or unseated cpu or memory. He's tried his old cpu but no luck, as for the memory he's gonna try a stick of mine.
Wish him luck he's spent an arm and a leg on this upgrade and he's dying to thrash my 3dmark!

DarkFoss · Jan 3, 2003, 05:56 PM

it's quite possible the reason he's not posting is due to using the Corsair xms 3200 ddr and his new nforce 2 mobo . If your mem is 2700 or 2100 he should be able to change the mem timings and then be able to use his mem.

http://www.houseofhelp.com/v2/forumd...s=&forumid=130

Try searching around here you should be able to find the info&settings he'll need . I'd look meself but I have to head back to work ..just on a lunchbreak. Good Luck !!!!

fornicatarachnid · Jan 3, 2003, 06:05 PM

Ive managed to get my old system up and running so that I can

get on here.

I'll try to give a few more details about my problem.....

Specs..

ASUS A7N8X motherboard
512 mb Corsair xms3200 DDR pc2700
AMD AthlonXP2400 266MHz bus
Gainward GeForce4 Ti4600 Golden Sample
WD 80GB HD WD800JD

Here's what happens when I boot up. It powers up normally, there is HD activity and then nothing, no beeps or anything. No signal is sent to the monitor so I cant even get into the Bios.

Ive tried changing the powerpack from this machine, ive tried the memory in all the available slots, the graphics card is OK. I even tried removing the memory to see if I could get a beep, still nothing

The other thing I can thing of now is that its something to do with the memory stick so the next thing I want to try is borrowing a stick of Mr Kinetics memory.

Any ideas would be appreciated

digitalwanderer · Jan 3, 2003, 06:12 PM

....unhooking the HD entirely and booting from the floppy? You could have the HD jumpers set-up wrong, it's happened to me before like that.

Best of luck, don't give up, and don't forget that as long as you got a line to the net we're gonna help you get it fixed up.

***craig5320*** · Jan 3, 2003, 06:17 PM

I think that was what my system was like when my CPU had blown, have you tried another CPU or seeing if it does anything different without a CPU - obvisously it won't start but i mean if it does exactly the same it could point to the cpu,

do the usual crap of disconnecting everything you don't need, hard drives/cd drives/floppy drives sound cards etc to see if you can get to the bios.

kinetic · Jan 3, 2003, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by digitalwanderer

Best of luck, don't give up, and don't forget that as long as you got a line to the net we're gonna help you get it fixed up.

Thanks Digi! I hope he gets it fixed soon. I've just hung up on him, the sound of weeping was beginning to get to me.

***craig5320*** · Jan 3, 2003, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kinetic
...the sound of weeping was beginning to get to me.

What's his address? I'd love to see him weeping

fornicatarachnid · Jan 3, 2003, 06:22 PM

Thanks for the replies guys, it makes a big difference to know

that I'm not alone

I've just tried what you suggested Dig, no difference

I've

tried 2 different hard drives,inc. the one in this machine cos I

know this works OK

fornicatarachnid · Jan 3, 2003, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by craig5320
What's his address? I'd love to see him weeping

LOL I won't forget that remark

fornicatarachnid · Jan 3, 2003, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by craig5320
I think that was what my system was like when my CPU had blown, have you tried another CPU or seeing if it does anything different without a CPU - obvisously it won't start but i mean if it does exactly the same it could point to the cpu,

do the usual crap of disconnecting everything you don't need, hard drives/cd drives/floppy drives sound cards etc to see if you can get to the bios.

Tried changing the CPU with the one out of this machine and that

made no difference either

digitalwanderer · Jan 3, 2003, 06:34 PM

Take it all apart. Take everything out 'til it's just down to a mobo & PSU. (You can leaves your drives & such in the case, but pull ALL the cables out that are removable.) Once you do that, put it all together again paying EXTRY close attention to all connections/proper insertions. I know it sounds dumb, but sometimes when a new box is acting goofy on first assembly and I can't figure it out it's what I do just to eliminate some variables. (And in one instance, it actually fixed me problem.) I gotta go wrestle the kids down for nap, I'll check back in a little bit. G'luck, hang in there!

DriveEuro · Jan 3, 2003, 07:02 PM

OK, you said that you vid card was alright...but why not try your old video card or even try a PCI video card. I know that most motherboards beep when there is no vid card present. But you might as well give it a try. And as far as a dead CPU...nothing would happen when you boot. The fans would turn on and HDs would sping up and it would just sit there doing nothing...that's what dead cpus do.

fornicatarachnid · Jan 3, 2003, 07:05 PM

I was sure it was something to do with the memory so Mr Kinetic

kindly let me borrow a stick of his pc2100, still nothing !!!

Awell, back to the drawing board. I'm gonna try your suggestion

next Dig. Start again from scratch, I'm always really careful when

I'm building a new system, but I'm clutching at straws now so its

worth a try.

~~TIGER~~ · Jan 3, 2003, 07:08 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by fornicatarachnid
[B]I was sure it was something to do with the memory ...

Mmmmmmmmm wish i could help m8, am confussed it wisnae ur memory 2, coz lets face it, its the first thing to goes when u get to ur age

digitalwanderer · Jan 3, 2003, 07:10 PM

...you double-check your pin connections for all the power, HD, reset, & LEDs and such; take your time; and DON'T PANIC!!! No matter how bad it seems right now, you're going to find and fix the problem. Perservere!

digitalwanderer · Jan 3, 2003, 07:18 PM

Did you try manually clearing your CMOS? There should be some pins on the board that you can jump to clear it, that might be your whole problem!

Go and read this post here, it's pretty exactly the same thing as you went thru.

EDITED BITS: I forgot to mention, he had the same problem with the same board and also includes the procedure on how to clear the CMOS in that link.

I'll betcha a dollar that fixes it.

DriveEuro · Jan 3, 2003, 07:18 PM

Well, if changing CPU, memory, and vid card don't do it, then all I could say is a bad mobo.

digitalwanderer · Jan 3, 2003, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DriveEuro
Well, if changing CPU, memory, and vid card don't do it, then all I could say is a bad mobo.

To which I'll humbly reply NIC, modem, soundcard, PSU, or a screwed-up CMOS. (<---I hope!)

That's the bitchy bit about building a new system, it could be an incompatibility or a faulty bit....finding out which is which is why I still consider building them a bit of an art more than a science.

DriveEuro · Jan 3, 2003, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Did you try manually clearing your CMOS? There should be some pins on the board that you can jump to clear it, that might be your whole problem!

Go and read this post here, it's pretty exactly the same thing as you went thru.

EDITED BITS: I forgot to mention, he had the same problem with the same board and also includes the procedure on how to clear the CMOS in that link. I'll betcha a dollar that fixes it.

Yes, usually all you have to do is short the pins. Just touch something conductive to them. Bingo! You short the CMOS so then you begin with all the default settings...but what woulda went wrong to begin with that you'd have to clear CMOS?

fornicatarachnid · Jan 3, 2003, 07:28 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TIGER
[B]

Quote:

Originally posted by fornicatarachnid
I was sure it was something to do with the memory ...

Mmmmmmmmm wish i could help m8, am confussed it wisnae ur memory 2, coz lets face it, its the first thing to goes when u get to ur age

Thanks for the useful advice Tiger, have you not got something

better to do, like a bit of spamming ?

fornicatarachnid · Jan 3, 2003, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Did you try manually clearing your CMOS? There should be some pins on the board that you can jump to clear it, that might be your whole problem!

Go and read this post here, it's pretty exactly the same thing as you went thru.

EDITED BITS: I forgot to mention, he had the same problem with the same board and also includes the procedure on how to clear the CMOS in that link. I'll betcha a dollar that fixes it.

Thanks for that Dig, sounds like it could be my problem

kinetic · Jan 3, 2003, 07:40 PM

I hope you're right Digi 'cos I've got my b/band kit delivered today but, in a grand gesture of solidarity, I'm not installing it 'til forni's sorted!

digitalwanderer · Jan 3, 2003, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fornicatarachnid
Thanks for that Dig, sounds like it could be my problem

Well, did it work?

fornicatarachnid · Jan 3, 2003, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Well, did it work?

Nope

fornicatarachnid · Jan 3, 2003, 07:45 PM

I'm going back to square one and starting over. I might as well try

my old video card as well, though I'm pretty sure it's not that.

Thanks for all the help so far

fornicatarachnid · Jan 3, 2003, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kinetic
I hope you're right Digi 'cos I've got my b/band kit delivered today but, in a grand gesture of solidarity, I'm not installing it 'til forni's sorted!

You're a star bro

but the way things are going I think its looking

more and more likely to be a duff motherboard

so you

might have a long wait

digitalwanderer · Jan 3, 2003, 07:48 PM

Keep us posted on progress as it goes, we'll keep thinking on it.

DriveEuro · Jan 3, 2003, 07:48 PM

Man, that blows for you. I bet it's a bad mobo. Sorry man. I've been frustrated with this stuff before too. It sucks.

digitalwanderer · Jan 3, 2003, 08:02 PM

This place seems to have an incredible wealth of info on your board, I'm sure you can find a bit of info there. (I'm poking around now, but I'm sort of AMDiotic.

)

EDITED BITS: Here's a thread to a guy who couldn't post and ended up RMAing his mobo. Not a happy ending, but they did have a nice list of things to check.

digitalwanderer · Jan 3, 2003, 08:12 PM

Yup, we want you to think you got your money's worth and that we care.

A great quote from one of the links above:

Quote:

First posted on AMDmb.com by RebelWolf
Assuming you don't have a blown part among the only 3 that you MUST have to get a machine to post (ram, CPU and Vid), the steps you need to do at this point are simple (I'll assume you've done them, but I'll point them out for others, since you seem to have covered all the bases already).

First is to attempt to get the board to boot outside the case (those cardboard boxes MB's they come in, DO serve a purpose) with just the Vid, Ram, CPU with it's cooler and fan, and see what happens. You do this, to assure your not shorting it out, and to be able to actually visually see, that all components are fully inserted, just clear off a large table to do this on, and don't touch anything during the test. If it fail's at this test, one of the 5 parts (the other 2 parts being the MB, and the Power supply) you had to have to do the test is the problem, so it does narrow the possibilities down dramatically. If you have a case with "real short" wires, you may have to pullout the PSU and the power switch to do this test, but that's fairly rare, usually with the case on it's side it will reach.

If it still fails, then you try the rest of the "parts swap" routine, and clear the CMOS between each part swap and retest. This mean's, if possible you put in another stick of Ram (just one stick for these tests) and a different vid card, and again make sure you get them fully seated. If your like me, with enough parts, you can quickly figure out what's wrong. If not, take the board with your Vidcard, Ram, CPU to a computer shop, and let them tell you which part is dead or just RMA the entire works.

The reason you go to this length to check things, is to save yourself the time and hassle (not to mention shipping costs) of RMA'ing things that are working. There are already PCI cards, known to prevent the K7S5A from booting (some Creative PCI modems, and some Network Cards) and you also avoid the possibility that a electrical short is stopping the machine from running.

I'll let you all in on a little secret since I am the forum mod here, and have built a staggering amount of PC's for myself and others over the years. I have NEVER gotten a DOA MB, and I've built well over 100 machines. In fact, the only new part I've ever gotten that was DOA was a modem, and that's having bought at least 1000 different cards over the years. I've had many things die in what I consider a "too short" period of time, but DOA is RARE. I can also claim I've had many things that I've had to replace, since they didn't perform anywhere near what I consider to be "stable", but they did function (sorta).

The reason I mention this, is because on forums as highly viewed as these are, you will see far too many DOA posts, and I wanted to give you all some "perspective", on this issue. 99% of the people who buy a MB, will never post anywhere, since the computer will just work and they aren't that interested in PC's. The 1% that does post, is either interested in PC's issues, or is having problems with thier machine, so it tends to make any of the forums seem like an endless string of problems with a product, when the reality is very different.

I apologize to deadrody, for doing a bit of thread hijacking here at the end of this post, but I try to throw one of these in every few months, so people who read these forums (most of the people here, are Lurkers, they read but never post anything) can get a real view of how ECS products actually rate, quality wise. This same thing can be said for all the manufacturers in the PC industry, their "real" DOA rate, is no worse than a company that manufacture's TV's, or Electric Toasters, you'll get many that die long before they should, but few that won't work at least once.

RebelWolf

Jan 3, 2003, 05:32 PM	#1
kinetic DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Manchester England Posts: 2,559 Rep Power: 0	No beeps Fornicatarachnid is in deep shit! All his parts have come for his new system http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...&threadid=8468 but he's not getting any beeps. His mobo LED is on but no beeps. I've tried looking on the net but not had much luck finding an answer apart from faulty or unseated cpu or memory. He's tried his old cpu but no luck, as for the memory he's gonna try a stick of mine. Wish him luck he's spent an arm and a leg on this upgrade and he's dying to thrash my 3dmark! Last edited by kinetic; Jan 3, 2003 at 06:16 PM.

Jan 3, 2003, 06:12 PM	#4
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	Did ya try... ....unhooking the HD entirely and booting from the floppy? You could have the HD jumpers set-up wrong, it's happened to me before like that. Best of luck, don't give up, and don't forget that as long as you got a line to the net we're gonna help you get it fixed up. __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Jan 3, 2003, 06:17 PM	#5
*craig5320* HH Administrator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 8,568 Rep Power: 445 System Specs	I think that was what my system was like when my CPU had blown, have you tried another CPU or seeing if it does anything different without a CPU - obvisously it won't start but i mean if it does exactly the same it could point to the cpu, do the usual crap of disconnecting everything you don't need, hard drives/cd drives/floppy drives sound cards etc to see if you can get to the bios. __________________ HardwareHeaven on Facebook

Jan 3, 2003, 06:34 PM	#11
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	Dumb thing, but it can help. Take it all apart. Take everything out 'til it's just down to a mobo & PSU. (You can leaves your drives & such in the case, but pull ALL the cables out that are removable.) Once you do that, put it all together again paying EXTRY close attention to all connections/proper insertions. I know it sounds dumb, but sometimes when a new box is acting goofy on first assembly and I can't figure it out it's what I do just to eliminate some variables. (And in one instance, it actually fixed me problem.) I gotta go wrestle the kids down for nap, I'll check back in a little bit. G'luck, hang in there! __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Jan 3, 2003, 07:02 PM	#12
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	OK, you said that you vid card was alright...but why not try your old video card or even try a PCI video card. I know that most motherboards beep when there is no vid card present. But you might as well give it a try. And as far as a dead CPU...nothing would happen when you boot. The fans would turn on and HDs would sping up and it would just sit there doing nothing...that's what dead cpus do. __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Jan 3, 2003, 05:56 PM	#2
DarkFoss HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Downers Grove IL Posts: 688 Rep Power: 0	it's quite possible the reason he's not posting is due to using the Corsair xms 3200 ddr and his new nforce 2 mobo . If your mem is 2700 or 2100 he should be able to change the mem timings and then be able to use his mem. http://www.houseofhelp.com/v2/forumd...s=&forumid=130 Try searching around here you should be able to find the info&settings he'll need . I'd look meself but I have to head back to work ..just on a lunchbreak. Good Luck !!!!

Jan 3, 2003, 06:05 PM	#3
fornicatarachnid Clanless Join Date: May 2002 Location: On the web, England UK Posts: 714 Rep Power: 0	Ive managed to get my old system up and running so that I can get on here. I'll try to give a few more details about my problem..... Specs.. ASUS A7N8X motherboard 512 mb Corsair xms3200 DDR pc2700 AMD AthlonXP2400 266MHz bus Gainward GeForce4 Ti4600 Golden Sample WD 80GB HD WD800JD Here's what happens when I boot up. It powers up normally, there is HD activity and then nothing, no beeps or anything. No signal is sent to the monitor so I cant even get into the Bios. Ive tried changing the powerpack from this machine, ive tried the memory in all the available slots, the graphics card is OK. I even tried removing the memory to see if I could get a beep, still nothing The other thing I can thing of now is that its something to do with the memory stick so the next thing I want to try is borrowing a stick of Mr Kinetics memory. Any ideas would be appreciated

Jan 3, 2003, 06:22 PM	#8
fornicatarachnid Clanless Join Date: May 2002 Location: On the web, England UK Posts: 714 Rep Power: 0	Thanks for the replies guys, it makes a big difference to know that I'm not alone I've just tried what you suggested Dig, no difference I've tried 2 different hard drives,inc. the one in this machine cos I know this works OK

Jan 3, 2003, 07:05 PM	#13
fornicatarachnid Clanless Join Date: May 2002 Location: On the web, England UK Posts: 714 Rep Power: 0	I was sure it was something to do with the memory so Mr Kinetic kindly let me borrow a stick of his pc2100, still nothing !!! Awell, back to the drawing board. I'm gonna try your suggestion next Dig. Start again from scratch, I'm always really careful when I'm building a new system, but I'm clutching at straws now so its worth a try.

Jan 3, 2003, 07:08 PM	#14
~~TIGER~~ BANNED Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: OLDHAM Posts: 591 Rep Power: 0	[QUOTE]Originally posted by fornicatarachnid [B]I was sure it was something to do with the memory ... Mmmmmmmmm wish i could help m8, am confussed it wisnae ur memory 2, coz lets face it, its the first thing to goes when u get to ur age

Jan 3, 2003, 07:10 PM	#15
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	Make sure.. ...you double-check your pin connections for all the power, HD, reset, & LEDs and such; take your time; and DON'T PANIC!!! No matter how bad it seems right now, you're going to find and fix the problem. Perservere! __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Jan 3, 2003, 07:18 PM	#16
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	I'm an idiot! Did you try manually clearing your CMOS? There should be some pins on the board that you can jump to clear it, that might be your whole problem! Go and read this post here, it's pretty exactly the same thing as you went thru. EDITED BITS: I forgot to mention, he had the same problem with the same board and also includes the procedure on how to clear the CMOS in that link. I'll betcha a dollar that fixes it. __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Jan 3, 2003, 07:40 PM	Thread Starter #22
kinetic DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Manchester England Posts: 2,559 Rep Power: 0	I hope you're right Digi 'cos I've got my b/band kit delivered today but, in a grand gesture of solidarity, I'm not installing it 'til forni's sorted!

Jan 3, 2003, 07:45 PM	#25
fornicatarachnid Clanless Join Date: May 2002 Location: On the web, England UK Posts: 714 Rep Power: 0	I'm going back to square one and starting over. I might as well try my old video card as well, though I'm pretty sure it's not that. Thanks for all the help so far

Jan 3, 2003, 07:48 PM	#27
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	Keep us posted. Keep us posted on progress as it goes, we'll keep thinking on it. __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Jan 3, 2003, 08:02 PM	#29
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	Check out this place. This place seems to have an incredible wealth of info on your board, I'm sure you can find a bit of info there. (I'm poking around now, but I'm sort of AMDiotic. ) EDITED BITS: Here's a thread to a guy who couldn't post and ended up RMAing his mobo. Not a happy ending, but they did have a nice list of things to check. __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?