What micron?

Dom · Jan 6, 2003, 11:39 AM

What micron is the AthlonXP 1600+ AGOIA stepping?

ToshiroOC · Jan 6, 2003, 12:11 PM

.18 microns (180 nanometers), meaning that the smallest feature on the chip is that size...

Dom · Jan 6, 2003, 12:14 PM

.13 is better right?

ToshiroOC · Jan 6, 2003, 12:22 PM

Not better - smaller. And smaller tends to be cooler and overclock more. But not better for everything - its more expensive to make for AMD, more prone to electrostatic discharge and that sort of thing (though if AMD did their job there wouldn't be much of a concern...)

Dom · Jan 6, 2003, 12:43 PM

Thanks a lot.

ToshiroOC · Jan 6, 2003, 12:58 PM

No problem - but watch out Dom - in that other PS2 adapter thread, you triple posted. I didn't want to double post to say anything about it, but in general, you really should just edit your first post...

Dom · Jan 6, 2003, 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by ToshiroOC
No problem - but watch out Dom - in that other PS2 adapter thread, you triple posted. I didn't want to double post to say anything about it, but in general, you really should just edit your first post...

Nah. I was posting 3 different points.

ToshiroOC · Jan 6, 2003, 11:33 PM

Well, ok, but I feel that even though they were 3 different points, they should be together in the same post unless they are reasonably long posts on very different points posted at somewhat different times... but that's just me. It's really up to you to do whatever you want to...

JavaFox · Jan 6, 2003, 11:36 PM

Toshiro, you're actually wrong about .13 chips being more expensive. While, initially, implementing the fabrication technology IS expensive, it is actually cheaper to produce .13 chip in the long run because they --surprise, suprise-- don't take as much silicon to make. And the less silicon they use, the more chips AMD can fab' from a single wafer.

And, Dom, don't forget that there ARE .13 micron 1600+s.

ToshiroOC · Jan 6, 2003, 11:44 PM

The technology itself is expensive, and that was what I was refering to - I wasn't really thinking about overall cost of silicon per transistor when I posted that, but you are right - in the long run, it will be cheaper per transistor to make under the .13 process... And though there are .13 micron 1600+s, I know for a fact that AGOIA is a Palomino stepping...

Dom · Jan 6, 2003, 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by JavaFox
Toshiro, you're actually wrong about .13 chips being more expensive. While, initially, implementing the fabrication technology IS expensive, it is actually cheaper to produce .13 chip in the long run because they --surprise, suprise-- don't take as much silicon to make. And the less silicon they use, the more chips AMD can fab' from a single wafer.

And, Dom, don't forget that there ARE .13 micron 1600+s.

I hear the AGOIA stepping's are easier to OC and run cooler. And I haven't seen and AGOIA stepping in 0.13 micron.

ToshiroOC · Jan 6, 2003, 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by Dom
I hear the AGOIA stepping's are easier to OC and run cooler. And I haven't seen and AGOIA stepping in 0.13 micron.

Well, thats because the AGOIA stepping was the second or third Palomino stepping (I have the first, AGKGA), and though they do OC better and run cooler than the AGKGA's, they can't really touch the .13 ones... And you will never see an AGOIA stepping in .13 micron, because AGOIA is a Palomino stepping and all of the .13 processors are T-bred's...

Dom · Jan 7, 2003, 12:00 AM

If AGOIA stepping's are Palomino's, then I won't get a AGOIA stepping.

ToshiroOC · Jan 7, 2003, 12:14 AM

Well, AGOIA are most definitely Palominos - though I'm sure that you can find other stepping 1600's, including .13 micron ones (I'm not sure about what stepping those are though I'm sure I can go find out what those are...)

JavaFox · Jan 7, 2003, 12:46 AM

Toshiro is right on this one. I think AGOIA is a strictly Palomino designation. And, as such, would mean the chips are all .18

ToshiroOC · Jan 7, 2003, 01:14 AM

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Originally posted by JavaFox
Toshiro is right on this one.

Is there some reason you need to confirm this

I'm always right!

But I am most definitely sure that the AGOIA's are Palomino only... Just go for a T-bred processor instead of an AGOIA, they will overclock much better, run cooler, and overall be a better investment

ToshiroOC

Jan 6, 2003, 11:39 AM	#1
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	What micron? What micron is the AthlonXP 1600+ AGOIA stepping?

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ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	.18 microns (180 nanometers), meaning that the smallest feature on the chip is that size... __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jan 6, 2003, 12:22 PM	#4
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Not better - smaller. And smaller tends to be cooler and overclock more. But not better for everything - its more expensive to make for AMD, more prone to electrostatic discharge and that sort of thing (though if AMD did their job there wouldn't be much of a concern...) __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jan 6, 2003, 12:58 PM	#6
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	No problem - but watch out Dom - in that other PS2 adapter thread, you triple posted. I didn't want to double post to say anything about it, but in general, you really should just edit your first post... __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jan 6, 2003, 11:33 PM	#8
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Well, ok, but I feel that even though they were 3 different points, they should be together in the same post unless they are reasonably long posts on very different points posted at somewhat different times... but that's just me. It's really up to you to do whatever you want to... __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jan 6, 2003, 12:14 PM	Thread Starter #3
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	.13 is better right?

Jan 6, 2003, 12:43 PM	Thread Starter #5
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	Thanks a lot.

Jan 6, 2003, 11:36 PM	#9
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	Toshiro, you're actually wrong about .13 chips being more expensive. While, initially, implementing the fabrication technology IS expensive, it is actually cheaper to produce .13 chip in the long run because they --surprise, suprise-- don't take as much silicon to make. And the less silicon they use, the more chips AMD can fab' from a single wafer. And, Dom, don't forget that there ARE .13 micron 1600+s.

Jan 6, 2003, 11:44 PM	#10
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	The technology itself is expensive, and that was what I was refering to - I wasn't really thinking about overall cost of silicon per transistor when I posted that, but you are right - in the long run, it will be cheaper per transistor to make under the .13 process... And though there are .13 micron 1600+s, I know for a fact that AGOIA is a Palomino stepping... __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jan 7, 2003, 12:00 AM	Thread Starter #13
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	If AGOIA stepping's are Palomino's, then I won't get a AGOIA stepping.

Jan 7, 2003, 12:14 AM	#14
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Well, AGOIA are most definitely Palominos - though I'm sure that you can find other stepping 1600's, including .13 micron ones (I'm not sure about what stepping those are though I'm sure I can go find out what those are...) __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jan 7, 2003, 12:46 AM	#15
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	Toshiro is right on this one. I think AGOIA is a strictly Palomino designation. And, as such, would mean the chips are all .18