ViRuS2k

only payed £277 for it and i think thats a pritty special price from someone know, he hasnt had it long either.

here is a snap shot from his light overclocking with the chip



and he isnt realy pushing it either on the volts.

the question is should i have not bought it becuse i have a 3700+ SD @2.8ghz
will i see much benefit in haveing a duel core
or more performace that that of my 2.8ghz 3700+

also i heard hardly no games use duel core yet
but i suppose its good for future proofing my system isnt it

anyone have any tips aswell on useing duel core or tweaks or things i must do after getting into windows...
basticly im going to just remove my SD and put this one in then boot to windows and go to microsoft update and see if i need new drivers for it.

but anyone got further tips
i realy havent used duel core before so im unsure if i made the right decision to buy it over my 2.8ghz 3700+ SD...

thanks.

Judas

yes.. i'd suggest a fresh install of windows if you haven't done so....

cause after installing the dual core... although i did see a boost... the most preformance i ended up getting was after a format.. install....

btw.. enjoy... ... as you carry on playing games... you'll notice alot of differences.. (imo, i've seen game improvements quite noticeable over a similarely clocked 64.. )

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ViRuS2k

hehe thanks man, yeah i cant wait to get this little beastie in my system.
can you give me some examples or what i could do with this duel core stuff...

can i burn a cd`s aswell as game at the same time ?
becuse if i can then i have a problem currently on my system when i start to burn a dvdr or cdr my system freezes on leadin lol then after it starts to burn the track its smooth sailing
then when it gets to the end and is going to burn the leadout system freezes again then after cd/dvd done it unfreezes :P

also what do you do to give priority to programs or games ect to use 2 duel cores or say let one cpu use this program and leave the other free ect or one cpu for one program and the other for another program lol

its all confusing
but i cant wait for the experiance hehe

Judas

i could give you a few ideas.... see with a single core cpu at similare clocks.. i'd say fire up teamspeak/winamp/fraps and a demanding game like Lineage2.... at this point the cpu is pegged all the time right... well... try and alt tab out and load up the net or visit a few sites.. or do anything while lineage2 is still going.... pretty damn irritatingly slow and sluggish..

with the dual core.. i've been able to do this...get this..

Teamspeak/msn/fraps/lineage2/winamp/IEs open/Counter Strike Source WHILE frapsing either lineage2 or counter strike, stutters? NOPE not a single bit, alt tab out of CS S and load up lineage2 or do anything, it's like having solitare and minesweeper loaded.. shrinking one and maximizing the other... that fast, that fluent.

Another test... mostly limited to my ATI card.. but hey, it did damn good

fired up Unreal tournament/Unreal Tournament 2003 and last 2004.. that's right... ALL three AT THE SAME TIME... put UT classic and UT2003 in window mode on my 2ndary.... and UT2004 full mode on the primary.... i was running timedemos on UT/UT2003 at the same time .... i was also PLAYING UT2004 on the main window WHILE frapsing it..... hitch? no... rotfl... it was something i've never even considered doing before.... i got a pretty decent result on the timedemos to... even though due to the ATI card being rather overloaded.... (v-sync on)


Adobe Photoshop preformance isn't there yet.. adobe still has to provide a fix for not distributing the load across both Cores properly. so even though you'll see better preformance there... it's no where near as good as it should. (on my machine, both cores are being used.. but they only combine up to 50% load across both (so one is showing maybe 20% while the other is loaded 30%... the program totals at 50%.. )

You may however encounter some strange issues that are quite easy to fix ... might get annoying.. but hey, it's the growing pains..

I've limited ALL these problems to only HT (intel) supported apps/games.... Games mostly noticed.. other apps doesn't really effect in the same matter...

anyways.. the problem is related to say loading up the game.. and playing.. but if you quit out of the game and load it up again later without restarting, the app has a CHANCE .. (not always) to appear to be running in slow motion.... the frame rate may be through the roof.. but it's like someone put matrix mode bullet time on everything.. this seriously messes up such games like lineage2 that is internet based....

I've never seen an issue with counterstrike source mind you....

I also noticed another thing.... alot of programs detect the cpu completely odd..... lineage2 sometimes crashes with a negative delta time error reporting my CPU speed as -4900mhz (yes.. negative indeed) ... counterstrike source is just one crack... seeing my cpu as a 15.3ghz dual cpu

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ViRuS2k

hmm so some awsome things i can do and some annoying i gather problems.
i wonder if i made the wrong choice in going X2 at the moment erm well we shall see when it arrives on wedensday.

i will post bench marks
can you do me a favour judas

can you post me some benchmarks of your duel core in sandra and any other cpu tests so i can try and get an idea of what i should expect

and also do you know what games currently support duel core from the getgo or from a patch or any programs that use multithredding

i cant wait to get this cpu i just hope i dont run into massive problems hehe

Judas

i couldn't really say aside from the fact that windows handles management of the threads automatically best it can.... an ap the solely processes on both cores at the same time is a different matter.... Adobe is saposed to but...doesn't correctly..

Your choice i'm sure you'll love over a single core... no worries there.... but be patient.. dual core support is on the way...

i'll see if i can grab some benches later.. atm, i'm in the process of increaseing my preformance by getting a few things changed out.. ATM i'm running generic pc2700 ram @ cas 3...and a really achient hardrive..

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ViRuS2k

hehe thanks...
and yeah pc2700 is a nono lol

luckily i will be useing 2x1gig crucial ballistix pc4000
best 2gig kit on the market does 300HTT no joke hehe

Judas

well my last bit of ocing experience is with a abit AT7-MAX2 series mobo (socket A KT400 via chipset) and a 2500+ barton......

anything newer then that.. i've absalutely not a clue what i'm doing aside from guessing and trial and error.. atm, i've no intention of overclocking anything at all. Not for awhile at least...

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ViRuS2k

hehe yeah i guess your right.
btw even this toledo dual core cpu wont need overclocked
it will be faster than my SD 2.8ghz overclocked even when the toledo is defaulted lol

so i probably wont overclock either unless things start to slow down and that will be awile at least.

cant wait though, cant wait at all....

post your benches soon so i can drool LOL becuse mine will be here wedensday morning.

Judas

hehe..... soon as i get a few things worked out.. (hopefully within the next week) i should have a more thorough up to date computer to test with shortly..... instead of this damn 2mb slow ata133 maxtor that is several years old... meh...

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Another thing it's nice for is video work. BTW guys don't forget if you archive a lot 7z works great with multi core processors.

ViRuS2k

yeah like useing 1 cpu for os priority like burning cd`s and surfing the net and downloading and useing the other cpu to max compress a dvd movie or to encode a movie

the possibilitys are endless
i cant wait hehe

it will be like christmas for me tommorow...

ViRuS2k

just got mine today. testing testing testing
here is just a weeee preview lol

posted the same info in the other X2 thread
im trying for 2.8ghz stable here currently at 2.6 and letting my artic silver 5 settle first.

jasonbourne

so is f.e.a.r running better now??

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ViRuS2k

still stutters like a mofo...

i will say it again lol that game is trully unoptimized.
this cant be a hardware performance ishue...

the game is trully unoptimized.
just like Call of duty 2

it doesnt stutter at all in dx7 mode and it doesnt stutter at all in dx9 mode but sure as hell its a lagging mofo in dx9 mode unoptimized dx9 mode i say.

becuse i shouldnt be getting these problems hardware wize with these games but i have come to understand one thing some programers dont give a rats ass lol

jasonbourne

agreed .i really thought that your upgrade would help a bit.ill just get a xbox360 when it comes out , im fed up with pc games !!everytime i buy a new game i have to spend hours trying to tweak it.

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ViRuS2k

well if your like me and get all your pc games for free then i dont care lol
good luck with that xbox360 though bill gates will be happy to take your cash and your soul lol

Necrosis

What video card do you have anyway? Performance wise Fear & COD2 runs great for me.

Judas

try enableing Vsync.... any game that stutters for me is fixed if i force Vsync on...

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maybe fear needs 2GB of ram like BF2?

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ViRuS2k

ATI X850XTPE @620/620

plays like smooth as hell untill the game autosaves then its shit performace again
then it plays smooth as hell untill you go into a new area or around a corner or do a sharp turn in any direction

then its stutter stutter stutter again.

ViRuS2k

I always play with vsync on mate so that cant be the problem

ViRuS2k

Not a memory problem at all infact i have the best 2gig kit out there.

2x1gig Crucial BallistiX Pc4000 DDR.

its not a pageing issue or a hdd issue either. im running 2x120 Maxtor 8meg HDD`s in raid 0 for fast performance.

the game is just plain god dam unoptimized.
its as simple as that.

Judas

virus2k.. completely understand.... .. there are more and more PC based games that seem to have had absalutely no time put into actually getting the game working right under any settings

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Hmm...well I don't know man. Both play fine for me. No stuttering at all, nothing.

ViRuS2k

hehe your right there..

btw is your 4400+ CPU HOT
i mean seriously hot lol

under 100% on both cores these things get crusty hot :o

ViRuS2k

same question for you

how is your air cooling on this cpu, mine has a thermal take Xp90C HS with tornado fan and the cpu idles around 34c-35c
and max load its about 47c under just one cpu but see when you crank prime95 under 100% on both cores useing 2 prime 95`s 1 on 1 core other on 1 core and set them both to go i get up to a crusty hot 52-53c

i know these cpus have a thermal spec with amd for not going any higher than 65c but dam these things are hot indeed lol
it it wasnt so hot i could get this cpu to 2.7-2.8ghz lol

and its weird becuse im only pushing currently 2.65ghz with 1.5v and its crusty

is the heatsink i have bad lol i gather its bad on dual cores becuse single cored cpu`s it doesnt have a problem with. i still know im perfectly at a safe high temp but i would have liked to stay under 50c max load lol

jasonbourne

same thing about amd and nvidia goes for you,even though u have the best hardware the games still stutters like hell.they will take your money soul and time! actually they have done that to you already

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Judas

um no.. i'd both an XP-90 and XP-90c..... the C version does cool a bit better.. but not to terribly much..

in any case.. both are using a generic 92mm 2500rpm fan

XP-90:
idle~33
load~37

XP-90c
idle~29
load~35

both i'm using the ceramique (artic silver) thermal paste which is about a 2 years old now


btw... i just picked up my self (had to take back the 2gb kit because it was faulty... gonna have to live with this) a OCZ 1gb (2x512) Gold 2-2-2-5 @ pc3200

Plus, i got myself a 250gb Sata 2 16mb cache drive sitting here as well.

soon, i'll have some results you can chew on shortly.. (just not looking forward to moving my x2 from the motherboard yet again and putting it in another.....erg... sucks)

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Necrosis

Stock 32c Idle 45c load.