Well, guess who's finally out of the stone age

riles9262 · Nov 21, 2005, 08:02 PM

Well after 4 years or so, I've finally upgraded my comp. Soon to be gone is my 1.4ghz p3 celeron, sdram, and ata100 hdd...

As it stands, I've got this shipped....
athlon 64 3000+ venice
asrock dual939 sata2 board
1 gig pc3200 samsung ram
80g samsung sata2 hdd

This all came out to about $390 canadian (450 after taxes). At home, I have the case, enermax 350w, 19" benq lcd, and 9800 pro. I think finally I have a worthy gaming comp, and since the board supports agp and pci-e, I got some room to grow too. Further, I've seen that the 3000+ oc's pretty well, so I'm excited to try that out

I haven't really seen any benches between pentium 3 systems and athlon 64's, but I'm assuming that the performance difference will be staggering, or at least I hope so

I'm feeling pretty damned good right now regardless

**dj_stick** · Nov 21, 2005, 09:27 PM

nice - you will DEFINATELY notice a difference there

Judas · Nov 21, 2005, 10:24 PM

you have a machine that should push games at least for the next 3 years (although slowly cranking down the graphic quality for each new game)

BUT, upgradeable

riles9262 · Nov 22, 2005, 04:29 PM

One question about the setup above...I've been reading about sata and sata-ii, is there much benefit or performance difference to home use for sata-ii interface (it seems more like a data loss prevention and speed increase for enterprise setups...)?

PangingJr · Nov 22, 2005, 05:56 PM

comparison between SATA/150 and SATA/300 (SATA-II or Second Generation Serial ATA) drives...

Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 SATA/150 160GB (6Y160M0)
and
Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 SATA/300 160GB (ST3160812AS)

note-- the Barracuda 7200.7 was not my drive, it's from the program data based.

as you can see the Barracuda 7200.9 SATA/300 has the highest "Burst Speed" from the HDTach reports,
the burst mode rate number refers to the disk drive as its ability to transfer data across the interface from the disk drive buffer to the system RAM. actual transfer is at a much lower rate because of system processing overhead, head switches, and seeks.

i don't think the higher number of the burst mode rate means much of anything. but, i believe you would get a faster disk operation from a SATA/300 drive than using a SATA/150 drive. and this when using the drive on the system that supports SATA/300 interfaces/drives.

i had to get some of SATA/150 drives because there was no SATA/300 drives availble in my area at the time i need some new drives.
now the price of both SATA interfaces drives are about the same. if your system supports SATA/300 why buy SATA/150 drive?

Drakon · Nov 22, 2005, 07:29 PM

Congrats, Mark

You going to upgrade the PSU too?

riles9262 · Nov 22, 2005, 10:46 PM

Thanks for the info pangingjr.

Thanks Duane...I'm not going to upgrade the psu as of yet; I'm pretty sure the enermax 350 will have no problem keeping up with the components that I have. Now when I upgrade to an uber powerful pci express vid card....then we may see some changes

PangingJr · Nov 23, 2005, 05:18 AM

No problem Riles9262.

i really want you to see the picture of what could be different on the two interfaces drive when it's on your compurter system (which's supported the SATA/300 drives) since you are about to buy one of these SATA interface drive.
please do understand that the below comparison has been done entirely by me and i've no meaning of using it as a real reference for the drives names mentioned in the following. you know what i mean it's just something that i have to say.

now, please have a look at this below pic...
this's the actual disk drives read/write operations. the partition image file size of the two backup operations are different but there's no real concern about this number. the read/write (MB per second) rate is the number that i like you to see.

both pics have been taken when making a backup image of a primary partition on the master hard drive (main drive) and placed/saved the image file into a secondary hard drive. and the secondary hard drive on both operations is the same drive.

the first pic was when using the Maxtor SATA/150 as master hard drive and the secondary hard drive is using another Maxtor SATA/150.
the second pic was when using the Seagate SATA/300 as master hard drive and the secondary hard drive is using the same Maxtor SATA/150.

riles9262 · Nov 23, 2005, 05:32 AM

haha, thanks again; those results are promising for sure. I have a feeling I'm really in for a wake up call when these new parts arrive...in a good way of course

Sandok · Nov 23, 2005, 05:37 AM

Dude, welcome to the present!

You'll love the change!

The_Neon_Cowboy · Nov 23, 2005, 12:04 PM

PangingJr
You results are contaary to the articals I've read where SATA
and Sata2 showed very little to no differance across a wide range
of tests...

PangingJr · Nov 23, 2005, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

PangingJr
You results are contaary to the articals I've read where SATA
and Sata2 showed very little to no differance across a wide range
of tests...

i've no idea what you've been reading, or what are your expectations?
this is just the read/write operations of the Paragon Drive Backup program.
i have taken a few pictures of the old SATA/150 drive setups and they are about how it was preformed so i can check them with SATA/300 drives, since i ordered them... i knew they are coming.
all of the information that you saw here are about the information i wanted to see for myself.
the read/write rate that program reports might not be 100% accurate and i can't confirm on this.
but the program timer is quite accurate, i mean what it says in the "time to finish" is about right.
i brought this to riles9262 attention since he's about to buy a new hard drive and i told him earlier that i believe... (see post #5 about what i have told him.)

here's another pic that i just took it.
this time the backup partition is the same partition as the Drive Backup program, and where the program is running from just like the old setup of the SATA/150 drive.

swimtech · Nov 23, 2005, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riles9262

Well after 4 years or so, I've finally upgraded my comp. Soon to be gone is my 1.4ghz p3 celeron, sdram, and ata100 hdd...

As it stands, I've got this shipped....
athlon 64 3000+ venice
asrock dual939 sata2 board
1 gig pc3200 samsung ram
80g samsung sata2 hdd

This all came out to about $390 canadian (450 after taxes). At home, I have the case, enermax 350w, 19" benq lcd, and 9800 pro. I think finally I have a worthy gaming comp, and since the board supports agp and pci-e, I got some room to grow too. Further, I've seen that the 3000+ oc's pretty well, so I'm excited to try that out

I haven't really seen any benches between pentium 3 systems and athlon 64's, but I'm assuming that the performance difference will be staggering, or at least I hope so

I'm feeling pretty damned good right now regardless

Very nice bump! Congratulations - and you won't be the last...

riles9262 · Nov 24, 2005, 10:00 PM

Wow, only 3 days after purchase the stuff arrived...and it was supposed to take a week! I had to spend this morning backing stuff up since I thought i'd do it on the weekend....now if work would just end so that I can finish setting up

ReDGuiTaR · Nov 25, 2005, 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riles9262

Well after 4 years or so, I've finally upgraded my comp. Soon to be gone is my 1.4ghz p3 celeron, sdram, and ata100 hdd...

Was about time !

Quote:

Originally Posted by riles9262

As it stands, I've got this shipped....
athlon 64 3000+ venice
asrock dual939 sata2 board
1 gig pc3200 samsung ram
80g samsung sata2 hdd

Should be a good upgrade !

Quote:

Originally Posted by riles9262

This all came out to about $390 canadian (450 after taxes). At home, I have the case, enermax 350w, 19" benq lcd, and 9800 pro. I think finally I have a worthy gaming comp, and since the board supports agp and pci-e, I got some room to grow too. Further, I've seen that the 3000+ oc's pretty well, so I'm excited to try that out

I haven't really seen any benches between pentium 3 systems and athlon 64's, but I'm assuming that the performance difference will be staggering, or at least I hope so

I'm feeling pretty damned good right now regardless

Hum .. you should see big improvement but your current videocard will be a limiting factor in game .... a 7800GT or x1800XL would be nice to cank up the settings in game .

end of transmission ...

riles9262 · Nov 25, 2005, 09:52 PM

Wow, it's unbelievable...the difference between my old p3 and this new setup is amazing. Everything is instantaneous in opening and switching between tasks. Now i just have to reinstall my games

And, although the 9800pro is probably holding back the sys a bit, at least it's not being held back anymore...i think i should still see great performance for games, and hopefully the 9800 will hold me over for another 6mths-year.

All this performance w/o a bit of overclocking...I'm overwhelmed

Well, best get familiar with the bios, and see what this puppy can do - I'm hoping for at least 2.2-2.4 ghz, especially since with stock cooling the cpu is only at about 28°C

CDsDontBurn · Nov 26, 2005, 06:34 AM

wow! go riles

. you liking your new rig alot i take it. now it's time for you to update your siggy and show off whatcha got to the rest of the world

Necrosis · Nov 26, 2005, 09:03 AM

Hmm..wouldn't it be funny.

Put a bran new x1800XT on his door step /w a 4 pack of Guiness. When he answers the door, quickly pull both items away with a fishing rod. I wonder if he'd chase after them?

CDsDontBurn · Nov 26, 2005, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Necrosis

Hmm..wouldn't it be funny.

Put a bran new x1800XT on his door step /w a 4 pack of Guiness. When he answers the door, quickly pull both items away with a fishing rod. I wonder if he'd chase after them?

or which one for that matter

riles9262 · Nov 26, 2005, 08:22 PM

HAHA which would you think?...the beer of course

riles9262 · Nov 26, 2005, 08:34 PM

Good suggestion cd's; sig updated for now...I was ashamed to put my old comp in there

CDsDontBurn · Nov 27, 2005, 06:04 AM

cool beans riles

.

so who will be the proud new owner of that pIII? or will it be the beginning of a collection you'll name "junk parts"? lol

Dark Lord · Nov 27, 2005, 06:22 AM

my old p3 is laying beside me here. i really dont know why i even have it any more, its a worthless piece of crap after i fried my cpu.

CDsDontBurn · Nov 27, 2005, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by another-user

my old p3 is laying beside me here. i really dont know why i even have it any more, its a worthless piece of crap after i fried my cpu.

use it as a keychain

?

Dark Lord · Nov 27, 2005, 06:36 AM

should have clarified, my entire system is down here. fried P3, almost dead TNT2 (fans just about shot), a POS Diamond Monster sound which may or may not work, some 56k modem (i just opend the case up and saw that. i was like wtf? what the hell is this 3rd card ive got in here? ohhhhh a modem) 2x256 megs of PC133, and a bad 15gig and 80gig HD.

CDsDontBurn · Nov 27, 2005, 06:57 AM

lol....get a shotty and have some fun with all that stuff

Dark Lord · Nov 27, 2005, 07:01 AM

lol all ive got is a 16G single shot and some bird shot. i dont think it would even pierce the case, which is actually incredibly thick.

CDsDontBurn · Nov 27, 2005, 07:05 AM

older cases are hard as hell. sharp MoFos also! i swear, you can't get inside one of them cases w/o somehow cutting yourself somehow.

Dark Lord · Nov 27, 2005, 07:18 AM

lol dont i know it. i sliced my hand pretty good when i was putting a 2nd HD in it some years back.

when i just opened it up earlier tonight i was actually suprised that it didnt have thumb screws on the back.

riles9262 · Nov 27, 2005, 09:24 PM

I find that if I get cut, it's always on the damned i/o shield. This install was fine, but doing my inlaws, I got sliced pretty good. And as for the p3, i'll either keep the parts and build a sys for my wife, or more likely, I'll sell some or all of the parts to a guy at work. At least I can still get a few bucks for some of them.

Nov 21, 2005, 08:02 PM	#1
riles9262 Driverheaven brewmaster Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,842 Rep Power: 72 System Specs	Well, guess who's finally out of the stone age Well after 4 years or so, I've finally upgraded my comp. Soon to be gone is my 1.4ghz p3 celeron, sdram, and ata100 hdd... As it stands, I've got this shipped.... athlon 64 3000+ venice asrock dual939 sata2 board 1 gig pc3200 samsung ram 80g samsung sata2 hdd This all came out to about $390 canadian (450 after taxes). At home, I have the case, enermax 350w, 19" benq lcd, and 9800 pro. I think finally I have a worthy gaming comp, and since the board supports agp and pci-e, I got some room to grow too. Further, I've seen that the 3000+ oc's pretty well, so I'm excited to try that out I haven't really seen any benches between pentium 3 systems and athlon 64's, but I'm assuming that the performance difference will be staggering, or at least I hope so I'm feeling pretty damned good right now regardless __________________ A beer a day keeps the doctor away.

Nov 22, 2005, 04:29 PM	Thread Starter #4
riles9262 Driverheaven brewmaster Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,842 Rep Power: 72 System Specs	One question about the setup above...I've been reading about sata and sata-ii, is there much benefit or performance difference to home use for sata-ii interface (it seems more like a data loss prevention and speed increase for enterprise setups...)? __________________ A beer a day keeps the doctor away.

Nov 22, 2005, 10:46 PM	Thread Starter #7
riles9262 Driverheaven brewmaster Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,842 Rep Power: 72 System Specs	Thanks for the info pangingjr. Thanks Duane...I'm not going to upgrade the psu as of yet; I'm pretty sure the enermax 350 will have no problem keeping up with the components that I have. Now when I upgrade to an uber powerful pci express vid card....then we may see some changes __________________ A beer a day keeps the doctor away.

Nov 23, 2005, 05:32 AM	Thread Starter #9
riles9262 Driverheaven brewmaster Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,842 Rep Power: 72 System Specs	haha, thanks again; those results are promising for sure. I have a feeling I'm really in for a wake up call when these new parts arrive...in a good way of course __________________ A beer a day keeps the doctor away.

Nov 23, 2005, 12:04 PM	#11
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	PangingJr You results are contaary to the articals I've read where SATA and Sata2 showed very little to no differance across a wide range of tests... __________________

Nov 22, 2005, 05:56 PM	#5
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 71	comparison between SATA/150 and SATA/300 (SATA-II or Second Generation Serial ATA) drives... Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 SATA/150 160GB (6Y160M0) and Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 SATA/300 160GB (ST3160812AS) note-- the Barracuda 7200.7 was not my drive, it's from the program data based. as you can see the Barracuda 7200.9 SATA/300 has the highest "Burst Speed" from the HDTach reports, the burst mode rate number refers to the disk drive as its ability to transfer data across the interface from the disk drive buffer to the system RAM. actual transfer is at a much lower rate because of system processing overhead, head switches, and seeks. i don't think the higher number of the burst mode rate means much of anything. but, i believe you would get a faster disk operation from a SATA/300 drive than using a SATA/150 drive. and this when using the drive on the system that supports SATA/300 interfaces/drives. i had to get some of SATA/150 drives because there was no SATA/300 drives availble in my area at the time i need some new drives. now the price of both SATA interfaces drives are about the same. if your system supports SATA/300 why buy SATA/150 drive?

Nov 22, 2005, 07:29 PM	#6
Drakon DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Floatin'... Posts: 4,957 Rep Power: 0	Congrats, Mark You going to upgrade the PSU too?

Nov 23, 2005, 05:18 AM	#8
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 71	No problem Riles9262. i really want you to see the picture of what could be different on the two interfaces drive when it's on your compurter system (which's supported the SATA/300 drives) since you are about to buy one of these SATA interface drive. please do understand that the below comparison has been done entirely by me and i've no meaning of using it as a real reference for the drives names mentioned in the following. you know what i mean it's just something that i have to say. now, please have a look at this below pic... this's the actual disk drives read/write operations. the partition image file size of the two backup operations are different but there's no real concern about this number. the read/write (MB per second) rate is the number that i like you to see. both pics have been taken when making a backup image of a primary partition on the master hard drive (main drive) and placed/saved the image file into a secondary hard drive. and the secondary hard drive on both operations is the same drive. the first pic was when using the Maxtor SATA/150 as master hard drive and the secondary hard drive is using another Maxtor SATA/150. the second pic was when using the Seagate SATA/300 as master hard drive and the secondary hard drive is using the same Maxtor SATA/150.

Nov 23, 2005, 05:37 AM	#10
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Dude, welcome to the present! You'll love the change!

Nov 24, 2005, 10:00 PM	Thread Starter #14
riles9262 Driverheaven brewmaster Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,842 Rep Power: 72 System Specs	Wow, only 3 days after purchase the stuff arrived...and it was supposed to take a week! I had to spend this morning backing stuff up since I thought i'd do it on the weekend....now if work would just end so that I can finish setting up __________________ A beer a day keeps the doctor away. Last edited by riles9262; Nov 24, 2005 at 10:26 PM.

Nov 25, 2005, 09:52 PM	Thread Starter #16
riles9262 Driverheaven brewmaster Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,842 Rep Power: 72 System Specs	Wow, it's unbelievable...the difference between my old p3 and this new setup is amazing. Everything is instantaneous in opening and switching between tasks. Now i just have to reinstall my games And, although the 9800pro is probably holding back the sys a bit, at least it's not being held back anymore...i think i should still see great performance for games, and hopefully the 9800 will hold me over for another 6mths-year. All this performance w/o a bit of overclocking...I'm overwhelmed Well, best get familiar with the bios, and see what this puppy can do - I'm hoping for at least 2.2-2.4 ghz, especially since with stock cooling the cpu is only at about 28°C __________________ A beer a day keeps the doctor away.

Nov 26, 2005, 06:34 AM	#17
CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,779 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	wow! go riles . you liking your new rig alot i take it. now it's time for you to update your siggy and show off whatcha got to the rest of the world __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Nov 26, 2005, 09:03 AM	#18
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Hmm..wouldn't it be funny. Put a bran new x1800XT on his door step /w a 4 pack of Guiness. When he answers the door, quickly pull both items away with a fishing rod. I wonder if he'd chase after them?

Nov 26, 2005, 08:22 PM	Thread Starter #20
riles9262 Driverheaven brewmaster Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,842 Rep Power: 72 System Specs	HAHA which would you think?...the beer of course __________________ A beer a day keeps the doctor away.

Nov 26, 2005, 08:34 PM	Thread Starter #21
riles9262 Driverheaven brewmaster Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,842 Rep Power: 72 System Specs	Good suggestion cd's; sig updated for now...I was ashamed to put my old comp in there __________________ A beer a day keeps the doctor away.

Nov 27, 2005, 06:04 AM	#22
CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,779 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	cool beans riles . so who will be the proud new owner of that pIII? or will it be the beginning of a collection you'll name "junk parts"? lol __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Nov 27, 2005, 06:22 AM	#23
Dark Lord HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 5,945 Rep Power: 125 System Specs	my old p3 is laying beside me here. i really dont know why i even have it any more, its a worthless piece of crap after i fried my cpu. __________________

Nov 27, 2005, 06:36 AM	#25
Dark Lord HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 5,945 Rep Power: 125 System Specs	should have clarified, my entire system is down here. fried P3, almost dead TNT2 (fans just about shot), a POS Diamond Monster sound which may or may not work, some 56k modem (i just opend the case up and saw that. i was like wtf? what the hell is this 3rd card ive got in here? ohhhhh a modem) 2x256 megs of PC133, and a bad 15gig and 80gig HD. __________________

Nov 27, 2005, 06:57 AM	#26
CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,779 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	lol....get a shotty and have some fun with all that stuff __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Nov 27, 2005, 07:01 AM	#27
Dark Lord HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 5,945 Rep Power: 125 System Specs	lol all ive got is a 16G single shot and some bird shot. i dont think it would even pierce the case, which is actually incredibly thick. __________________

Nov 27, 2005, 07:05 AM	#28
CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,779 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	older cases are hard as hell. sharp MoFos also! i swear, you can't get inside one of them cases w/o somehow cutting yourself somehow. __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Nov 27, 2005, 07:18 AM	#29
Dark Lord HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 5,945 Rep Power: 125 System Specs	lol dont i know it. i sliced my hand pretty good when i was putting a 2nd HD in it some years back. when i just opened it up earlier tonight i was actually suprised that it didnt have thumb screws on the back. __________________

Nov 27, 2005, 09:24 PM	Thread Starter #30
riles9262 Driverheaven brewmaster Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,842 Rep Power: 72 System Specs	I find that if I get cut, it's always on the damned i/o shield. This install was fine, but doing my inlaws, I got sliced pretty good. And as for the p3, i'll either keep the parts and build a sys for my wife, or more likely, I'll sell some or all of the parts to a guy at work. At least I can still get a few bucks for some of them. __________________ A beer a day keeps the doctor away.