960bf or 940B

Abius · Feb 1, 2006, 05:06 PM

Hi Im new

.Sorry for the long post but I need to know.

I recently purchased a SamSung 960BF from futureshop. I came home and set it up, everything looked fine until I started to game. There was a horrible ghosting effect playing games. I called up SamSung and they told me it shouldnt be doing that. So later in the day I returned it and got another one. The new one I got is alot better it doesnt ghost as much butI still see it (Playing CS 1.6). Now Ive read reviews that the 940B doesnt ghost at all, so I was wondering why the 960BF would, its the exact same thing except that the 960BF has a 4 ms instead of the 940B's 8 ms. So should the 960BF be ghosting at all or did I get stuck with another defective monitor? Im planning on going out tonight for another exchange. I would return the 960BF and get a 940B but Im afraid that where I would buy a 940B they wouldnt take it back and I got a 60$ discount on the 960BF. Is it just bad luck or is it a bad monitor.

Thanks
Abius][

Geminiwave · Feb 1, 2006, 11:40 PM

There are a number of possibilities.

Could be a driver issue (no really) so you might want to reinstall your ATI or nVidia drivers. Does the monitor itself have a driver? (many do) Maybe THAT needs to be installed properly. I'm not too up on how LCDs work, but maybe increase the refresh rate? Also, ghosting gets worse as you stray away from the native resolution. Find its native resolution and stick to it. If it is a widescreen LCD, you need to make sure your game supports it (many games have some inf or dat file modifications that allow it to change to non-standard resolutions)

I, in no way, claim to be an expert on this, but those are all of the things I'd look into first. Still, if its better now, it may just be another defective monitor. I should warn you though that I've only seen 2 LCDs that didnt ghost at ALL(most ghost very minorly) and that was the 21" Apple Cinema Display, and the 21" Dell display (2005FPS I think?) which are actually both the same monitor with different bezels.

Geminiwave · Feb 1, 2006, 11:40 PM

oh yes. And welcome to Driver Heaven!

Abius · Feb 1, 2006, 11:48 PM

Ive installed the driver for the screen from the CD included. Im running @ native resolution (1280X1024 @ 75Hz) but I cant/dont know how to run games @ 75 Hz. And its not minor ghosting that I see its quite notiable. Thanks for the reply.

Partizan · Feb 1, 2006, 11:56 PM

I have the same problem with my Samsung 930BF, as already mentioned in this post. The reason is the so called RTA (responce time accelerator) samsungs version of overdrive. You can turn it off via the OSD. The problem is, it is by default ON, so every time you turn the monitor on, RTA will be on too.

I sent an official complaint to Samsung with no responce.

I guess we are stuck with ghosting, or manouvering through OSD.

Regards, Partizan

Abius · Feb 2, 2006, 12:06 AM

Where would I turn it off?

Partizan · Feb 2, 2006, 12:23 AM

MENU Button -> Setup -> RTA -> On / Off

At least on my 930BF is it so. Perhaps your OSD Menu is a bit different.

Regards, Partizan

Abius · Feb 2, 2006, 02:08 AM

Ya the 960B is different theres no OSD well there is but its not used with the button on the screen because there is none. Theres only the power button on the screen. Theres software that you install and use your mouse around the same options, but no RTA

Partizan · Feb 2, 2006, 10:24 AM

Damn. All BF monitors have RTA. There has to be the way to disable it. You will probably have to wait on the newest version of Magic Tune software. The only difference between a BF and a B monitor is the RTA.

REgards, Partizan

Abius · Feb 2, 2006, 02:28 PM

Thanks for the help guys, Ive decided to return it and tonight Im going to Staples tp pick up a ViewSonic VX924. Then Ima try to find a store that has a no questions asked return policy that has the 940B on their shelves.

Asmoday · Feb 4, 2006, 01:19 AM

*thread moved*

joelboy · Feb 13, 2006, 10:01 AM

I have the exact problem with my 960bf, and have exchanged it once at future shop, and i'm still having this bad ghosting problem. Plus there's no onscreen OSD, and magictune seems to not have the capabilities of turning off the RTA to see if that changes the severe ghosting. Any suggestions?

Partizan · Feb 13, 2006, 10:16 AM

If you can, return it. If not, stick to it and don't ever buy Samsung LCDs again...

I know I wont.

Regards, Partizan

Feb 1, 2006, 05:06 PM	#1
Abius DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	960bf or 940B Hi Im new .Sorry for the long post but I need to know. I recently purchased a SamSung 960BF from futureshop. I came home and set it up, everything looked fine until I started to game. There was a horrible ghosting effect playing games. I called up SamSung and they told me it shouldnt be doing that. So later in the day I returned it and got another one. The new one I got is alot better it doesnt ghost as much butI still see it (Playing CS 1.6). Now Ive read reviews that the 940B doesnt ghost at all, so I was wondering why the 960BF would, its the exact same thing except that the 960BF has a 4 ms instead of the 940B's 8 ms. So should the 960BF be ghosting at all or did I get stuck with another defective monitor? Im planning on going out tonight for another exchange. I would return the 960BF and get a 940B but Im afraid that where I would buy a 940B they wouldnt take it back and I got a 60$ discount on the 960BF. Is it just bad luck or is it a bad monitor. Thanks Abius][

Feb 1, 2006, 11:40 PM	#2
Geminiwave I Have lovely Breasts Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In the closet... Posts: 5,395 Rep Power: 64	There are a number of possibilities. Could be a driver issue (no really) so you might want to reinstall your ATI or nVidia drivers. Does the monitor itself have a driver? (many do) Maybe THAT needs to be installed properly. I'm not too up on how LCDs work, but maybe increase the refresh rate? Also, ghosting gets worse as you stray away from the native resolution. Find its native resolution and stick to it. If it is a widescreen LCD, you need to make sure your game supports it (many games have some inf or dat file modifications that allow it to change to non-standard resolutions) I, in no way, claim to be an expert on this, but those are all of the things I'd look into first. Still, if its better now, it may just be another defective monitor. I should warn you though that I've only seen 2 LCDs that didnt ghost at ALL(most ghost very minorly) and that was the 21" Apple Cinema Display, and the 21" Dell display (2005FPS I think?) which are actually both the same monitor with different bezels. __________________

Feb 1, 2006, 11:40 PM	#3
Geminiwave I Have lovely Breasts Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In the closet... Posts: 5,395 Rep Power: 64	oh yes. And welcome to Driver Heaven! __________________

Feb 1, 2006, 11:56 PM	#5
Partizan Fun loving criminal Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Slovenia Posts: 1,182 Rep Power: 62 System Specs	I have the same problem with my Samsung 930BF, as already mentioned in this post. The reason is the so called RTA (responce time accelerator) samsungs version of overdrive. You can turn it off via the OSD. The problem is, it is by default ON, so every time you turn the monitor on, RTA will be on too. I sent an official complaint to Samsung with no responce. I guess we are stuck with ghosting, or manouvering through OSD. Regards, Partizan __________________ Live and let live!

Feb 2, 2006, 12:23 AM	#7
Partizan Fun loving criminal Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Slovenia Posts: 1,182 Rep Power: 62 System Specs	MENU Button -> Setup -> RTA -> On / Off At least on my 930BF is it so. Perhaps your OSD Menu is a bit different. Regards, Partizan __________________ Live and let live!

Feb 1, 2006, 11:48 PM	Thread Starter #4
Abius DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	Ive installed the driver for the screen from the CD included. Im running @ native resolution (1280X1024 @ 75Hz) but I cant/dont know how to run games @ 75 Hz. And its not minor ghosting that I see its quite notiable. Thanks for the reply.

Feb 2, 2006, 12:06 AM	Thread Starter #6
Abius DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	Where would I turn it off?

Feb 2, 2006, 02:08 AM	Thread Starter #8
Abius DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	Ya the 960B is different theres no OSD well there is but its not used with the button on the screen because there is none. Theres only the power button on the screen. Theres software that you install and use your mouse around the same options, but no RTA

Feb 2, 2006, 10:24 AM	#9
Partizan Fun loving criminal Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Slovenia Posts: 1,182 Rep Power: 62 System Specs	Damn. All BF monitors have RTA. There has to be the way to disable it. You will probably have to wait on the newest version of Magic Tune software. The only difference between a BF and a B monitor is the RTA. REgards, Partizan __________________ Live and let live!

Feb 2, 2006, 02:28 PM	Thread Starter #10
Abius DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	Thanks for the help guys, Ive decided to return it and tonight Im going to Staples tp pick up a ViewSonic VX924. Then Ima try to find a store that has a no questions asked return policy that has the 940B on their shelves.

Feb 4, 2006, 01:19 AM	#11
Asmoday Demonic Join Date: May 2002 Location: In the cold, dark north... Posts: 5,198 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	thread moved __________________ How You can help Hardwareheaven by using Digg

Feb 13, 2006, 10:01 AM	#12
joelboy DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	I have the exact problem with my 960bf, and have exchanged it once at future shop, and i'm still having this bad ghosting problem. Plus there's no onscreen OSD, and magictune seems to not have the capabilities of turning off the RTA to see if that changes the severe ghosting. Any suggestions?

Feb 13, 2006, 10:16 AM	#13
Partizan Fun loving criminal Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Slovenia Posts: 1,182 Rep Power: 62 System Specs	If you can, return it. If not, stick to it and don't ever buy Samsung LCDs again... I know I wont. Regards, Partizan __________________ Live and let live!