GeForceFX Ultra

Zardon · Jan 22, 2003, 06:27 PM

It looks as if NVIDIA is changing gears on us a bit and the retail version of the GeForceFX will now officially be a "GeForceFX 5800 ULTRA". For those of you that have already prepurchased GFFX cards, be assured you will get the card that is "Ultra". It looks as if there are no spec changes; 500/500/128MB.

Of course I am sure we will see the labels on the boxes change. If it is "Ultra", it of course has to be better.

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dipstick · Jan 22, 2003, 06:50 PM

Why would they throw a freakin 5800 up in there

mbeeston · Jan 22, 2003, 07:33 PM

to lazy a suppose

reno · Jan 25, 2003, 11:22 PM

Maybe it's a new AMD-like "rating" label...like...4600 is 4600 times as fast as an S3 Virge DX/Gx...and 5800 is 5800 times as fast?

Zardon · Jan 25, 2003, 11:33 PM

my question is this do you think it will be a flop or a success?

we all know the maximum PC benchmark article, do you think the 128 memory will kill it? even with the 500 core and 1000mhz mem?

Candyman · Jan 25, 2003, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zardon
my question is this do you think it will be a flop or a success?

we all know the maximum PC benchmark article, do you think the 128 memory will kill it? even with the 500 core and 1000mhz mem?

I think it will be a success when it is launched. It will regain the title as the fastest graphics card to date. However, the tide will soon turn when ATI releases the R350, in which it will blow the doors off the FX Ultra. In terms of succcess in the end user sales, I think on the elite will buy this product. Many people will buy the 9700 PRO over the FX Ultra because of price and value for their dollar.

I do think there is much more potential in the FX core. The 128-bit memory bus will handicap the FX series tremendously. This will change, of coarse, when they release the FX2 (or whatever they will call it) when they will implement a 256bit bus. However, by that time we will have the R400.

All in all, the FX Ultra will have great speed and potential, but will be overtaken by ATI at each stage upon the release of the card.

What I really want to see is official reviews of the final retail card against the 9700PRO. I know that the 9700PRO will finish second in benchmarks...but I wanna know by how much? Is a 5-10% gain in speed worth the extra $200-$300 for that card.....I believe the answer is simple....NO.

~~David~~ · Jan 25, 2003, 11:45 PM

I think it will be a sucess and a flop. Sucess cause many diehard nv fans ( and there is alot of them) will buy this card. Flop because over 1024x768 with fsaa on it will get creamed..........

DriveEuro · Jan 26, 2003, 12:00 AM

nVidia has a large hole to dig out of. If they just had their card by the same time as the 9700 or at least within a couple months of its release. Dumb nVidia....dumb.

Renegade[CSR] · Jan 26, 2003, 12:05 AM

Well, I believe that the FX is a good card, and worthy of a release. It will compete with ATi, and as everyone knows, a strong competition in the graphics industry is extremely important for end-users as it will provide better prices.

I would say its going to be a success, and that nvidia will have a short time span to regain a few customers, but ATi has the upper hand right now, aside from their current inside trading issue, the cards have been dealt in their favour.

Right now though, the most important thing is going to be benchmarks. The increase over the 9700 Pro will either justify its price or prove it to be an unjustifyable piece of overpriced hardware.

Time will tell.

jp306 · Jan 26, 2003, 12:14 AM

Nvidia is starting to lag behind and while the FX will be a fine card I think it will be to little to late and Who is gonna pay an extra $200 or $300 bucks for a slight performance increase. Just the few not the many. It's almost like the people that pay the extra $300 for a P4 instead of getting an AMD

But in the end it's not worth the extra cash to say I get 153 fps and you only get 150fps

Vampyromaniac · Jan 26, 2003, 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zardon
my question is this do you think it will be a flop or a success?

when's the last time a high-end Nvidia card was a flop?

I also wonder what went on in the past, since I wasn't paying much attention . . .
For example, like some of you are saying there will be a $200-$300 difference in price? Isn't that a lot, considering how good the 9700pro is? Maybe if FX-Ultra is $500, then maybe $200 difference. Maybe. But I seriously doubt $300 . . .
What was the biggest difference between the ti4600 and the 8500?

And some are saying people will buy 9700pro because of lower cost, but still good performance. Yeah, sure some will, but that doesn't mean nobody's gonna buy the FX. Maybe not right away, but then most stuff doesn't sell it's fastest right away, people wait for a bit usually.

And why is everyone saying there's only a slight difference in performance? Why not wait until the cards are available, and someone does a review or two . . .

But whatever . . . I'm not buying either one anyway

ToshiroOC · Jan 26, 2003, 03:07 AM

Remember, people don't really need to buy the GeforceFX - nVidia merely needs the crown. GFFX sales are going to be 2% of all of nVidia's stuff, but their overall sales will increase if peopl ethink "fastest" at the same time as they think "nVidia", which a very fast GFFX would do...

Loov · Jan 30, 2003, 01:14 PM

I dont think it will that succes Gf3/4 has been, it´s to noisy and the performance isn´t that great compared to R300.
It will also depend on how the R350 will perform when it hit the shelves

DriveEuro · Jan 30, 2003, 04:16 PM

But don't forget..... Not all the G4 and G3s were HIGH PERFORMANCE cards. How many people have a Ti4600 vs Ti4200. Better yet. 95% of nVidia's market comes from their MX series. So what was really a success? The 3 and 4 series were GREAT. But the FX is at another level.

dmaister · Feb 2, 2003, 03:04 AM

is there going to be different FX versions, like they did for the GF4 (4200,4400,4600,MX etc...)?

Dom · Feb 2, 2003, 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dmaister
is there going to be different FX versions, like they did for the GF4 (4200,4400,4600,MX etc...)?

Most likely.

dmaister · Feb 2, 2003, 06:19 PM

are they going to in different prices or no, cause 500 is too much for now....

eurolu · Feb 2, 2003, 07:06 PM

Of course dude.. but its gonna be about 2-3 months waiting time, yes it will be cheaper.. I think... :/

And look at this: http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic...127/index.html

Shit looks TIGHT, but that fan is louder than my fucking comp which has 4 fans, including a volcano7+ running at max rpm.

~~JAV~~ · Feb 4, 2003, 12:55 AM

Technological success (0.13u, flip-chip & DDRII) but sales flop. It's an 'enthusiasts' card, but we don't want it. OEM's won't buy it & ATi has signed HP/Compaq & Dell already.

One could argue (rightfully too, IMO) that the Ti4400 was a flop & the Ti4200 killed it. Good argument (in the same vein) for the 4200 vs. 4600 wars.

The MX series is the big seller (retail & OEM) but nVidia was having a problem staying up w/4200 chip deliveries. AFAIK, still does.

The FX is a good investment that nVidia will profit from in the future, IMO, but I don't think the 1st cards will be big sellers. The flip-chip design does have BIG potential tho', IMO.

Agreed: time will tell.

Jan 22, 2003, 06:27 PM	#1
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	GeForceFX Ultra It looks as if NVIDIA is changing gears on us a bit and the retail version of the GeForceFX will now officially be a "GeForceFX 5800 ULTRA". For those of you that have already prepurchased GFFX cards, be assured you will get the card that is "Ultra". It looks as if there are no spec changes; 500/500/128MB. Of course I am sure we will see the labels on the boxes change. If it is "Ultra", it of course has to be better. sourced from HARDOCP

Jan 22, 2003, 07:33 PM	#3
mbeeston HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: alberta, canada (thats north of the usa people) Posts: 1,037 Rep Power: 68 System Specs	to lazy a suppose __________________ R.I.P Roadee - you will be missed T_T peace,love, and war... 3 things people look for... "if your going off the deep end, show off, do a cannon ball!" - me

Jan 25, 2003, 11:22 PM	#4
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	dh Maybe it's a new AMD-like "rating" label...like...4600 is 4600 times as fast as an S3 Virge DX/Gx...and 5800 is 5800 times as fast?

Jan 26, 2003, 12:00 AM	#8
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	nVidia has a large hole to dig out of. If they just had their card by the same time as the 9700 or at least within a couple months of its release. Dumb nVidia....dumb. __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Jan 26, 2003, 12:14 AM	#10
jp306 DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 309 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Nvidia is starting to lag behind and while the FX will be a fine card I think it will be to little to late and Who is gonna pay an extra $200 or $300 bucks for a slight performance increase. Just the few not the many. It's almost like the people that pay the extra $300 for a P4 instead of getting an AMD But in the end it's not worth the extra cash to say I get 153 fps and you only get 150fps __________________ "I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet." Rodney Dangerfield.

Jan 22, 2003, 06:50 PM	#2
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Why would they throw a freakin 5800 up in there

Jan 25, 2003, 11:33 PM	Thread Starter #5
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	my question is this do you think it will be a flop or a success? we all know the maximum PC benchmark article, do you think the 128 memory will kill it? even with the 500 core and 1000mhz mem?

Jan 25, 2003, 11:45 PM	#7
~~David~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 959 Rep Power: 0	I think it will be a sucess and a flop. Sucess cause many diehard nv fans ( and there is alot of them) will buy this card. Flop because over 1024x768 with fsaa on it will get creamed..........

Jan 26, 2003, 12:05 AM	#9
Renegade[CSR] DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Undisclosed Renegade Location Posts: 396 Rep Power: 0	Well, I believe that the FX is a good card, and worthy of a release. It will compete with ATi, and as everyone knows, a strong competition in the graphics industry is extremely important for end-users as it will provide better prices. I would say its going to be a success, and that nvidia will have a short time span to regain a few customers, but ATi has the upper hand right now, aside from their current inside trading issue, the cards have been dealt in their favour. Right now though, the most important thing is going to be benchmarks. The increase over the 9700 Pro will either justify its price or prove it to be an unjustifyable piece of overpriced hardware. Time will tell.

Jan 26, 2003, 03:07 AM	#12
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Remember, people don't really need to buy the GeforceFX - nVidia merely needs the crown. GFFX sales are going to be 2% of all of nVidia's stuff, but their overall sales will increase if peopl ethink "fastest" at the same time as they think "nVidia", which a very fast GFFX would do... __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jan 30, 2003, 01:14 PM	#13
Loov DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	I dont think it will that succes Gf3/4 has been, it´s to noisy and the performance isn´t that great compared to R300. It will also depend on how the R350 will perform when it hit the shelves

Jan 30, 2003, 04:16 PM	#14
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	But don't forget..... Not all the G4 and G3s were HIGH PERFORMANCE cards. How many people have a Ti4600 vs Ti4200. Better yet. 95% of nVidia's market comes from their MX series. So what was really a success? The 3 and 4 series were GREAT. But the FX is at another level. __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Feb 2, 2003, 03:04 AM	#15
dmaister I got 99 Problems Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 71 Rep Power: 0	is there going to be different FX versions, like they did for the GF4 (4200,4400,4600,MX etc...)? __________________ "The Man, The Legend"

Feb 2, 2003, 06:19 PM	#17
dmaister I got 99 Problems Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 71 Rep Power: 0	are they going to in different prices or no, cause 500 is too much for now.... __________________ "The Man, The Legend"

Feb 2, 2003, 07:06 PM	#18
eurolu True Playa Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Boston Posts: 51 Rep Power: 0	Of course dude.. but its gonna be about 2-3 months waiting time, yes it will be cheaper.. I think... :/ And look at this: http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic...127/index.html Shit looks TIGHT, but that fan is louder than my fucking comp which has 4 fans, including a volcano7+ running at max rpm. __________________ Asus A7N8X Deluxe AMD Athlon XP2100+ WD 80GB Caviar w/ 8MB Buffer GeForce4 MX440 w/8xAGP SoundBlaster Live 5.1+ Lite-On 52x24x52x CDR/RW Pioneer 16x DVR-Rom 2x 256MB 400 MHZ/PC3200 DDRAM Boston Speakers w/ subwoofer Windows XP SP1 Corporate

Feb 4, 2003, 12:55 AM	#19
~~JAV~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: California, USA Posts: 283 Rep Power: 0	Technological success (0.13u, flip-chip & DDRII) but sales flop. It's an 'enthusiasts' card, but we don't want it. OEM's won't buy it & ATi has signed HP/Compaq & Dell already. One could argue (rightfully too, IMO) that the Ti4400 was a flop & the Ti4200 killed it. Good argument (in the same vein) for the 4200 vs. 4600 wars. The MX series is the big seller (retail & OEM) but nVidia was having a problem staying up w/4200 chip deliveries. AFAIK, still does. The FX is a good investment that nVidia will profit from in the future, IMO, but I don't think the 1st cards will be big sellers. The flip-chip design does have BIG potential tho', IMO. Agreed: time will tell.